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Old 11-24-2018, 11:13 AM
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Do you really need iDataLink Maestro?

Hello!

I have a 2017 Willys with the 430 (non-nav) and Alpine premium. As everyone knows, the factory headunit and UConnect suck big time. I'm looking to swap out and have narrowed down between two equally priced headunits. The Pioneer MVH-1400NEX and the Sony XAV-AX5000. The Pioneer is older tech but is Maestro compatible. The Sony is a much better radio for the money, but no iDataLink connectivity.

From what I've read, the Maestro is needed to retain fader control of my factory amp. I'm not convinced that's a big factor to me as I have never played with the stock fader. Of course, you get other features like custom buttons and OBDII vehicle information.

My question is - am I missing something else here? I'm leaning towards the Sony with a PAC harness to keep the steering wheel controls. Yes, I'll lose the fader but will I lose anything else?

The Maestro is a really neat piece of kit, but it seems like its value is definitely slanted towards vehicles with built-in A/C and other controls that are a part of the factory headunit. I'm not sure how necessary it actually is in a JK.

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I ripped a pac unit out of mine and replaced with a maestro. Fader and gain control. The gain control really helped my sound quality on my 2014 with the alpine system. If you want my old pac unit, $20 shipped to you

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The Maestro isn't necessary, but it is the most advance steering and data control out there which works in all cases.



I would seriously recommend it if you have the alpine premium sound. It is the only controller which truly works with the alpine.
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Sounds like the Maestro gets the W then...

I don't think the 1400NEX is a bad stereo by any means, but for the money the Sony just seemed like a better package. I can't justify throwing more than $400 or so on a head unit so that's what's constraining my search.

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I have a similar question...
Just bought 08 Wrangler unlimited with factory headunit, no amp, no uconnect, no steering wheel controls.
Looking to install a Pioneer AVIC-7000NEX that I had pulled from a Suburban before trading-in a few years back.
What if anything will the maestro give me over using the PAC wiring harness with this head unit?

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Old 02-18-2019, 11:01 AM   #6
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I have a similar question...
Just bought 08 Wrangler unlimited with factory headunit, no amp, no uconnect, no steering wheel controls.
Looking to install a Pioneer AVIC-7000NEX that I had pulled from a Suburban before trading-in a few years back.
What if anything will the maestro give me over using the PAC wiring harness with this head unit?

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The Maestro (with a compatible head unit) has the capability of displaying jeep info on the display screen... tire pressure, door open/close, oil temps, fuel level... etc



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I have a similar question...
Just bought 08 Wrangler unlimited with factory headunit, no amp, no uconnect, no steering wheel controls.
Looking to install a Pioneer AVIC-7000NEX that I had pulled from a Suburban before trading-in a few years back.
What if anything will the maestro give me over using the PAC wiring harness with this head unit?

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Cool Stuff.

Yea, thats my question.
What if anything would the AVIC-7000 display?
User/Install manual show the idatalink connector, but idatalink website shows a yellow [DATA] with the 7000 headunit combined with the 08 Jeep. Selecting that, puts me in a loop.
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Cool Stuff.

Yea, thats my question.
What if anything would the AVIC-7000 display?
User/Install manual show the idatalink connector, but idatalink website shows a yellow [DATA] with the 7000 headunit combined with the 08 Jeep. Selecting that, puts me in a loop.

Not sure.
Choose the Maestro rr on the idatalink maestro website, punch in your jeep model and year, steering wheel type and the model radio you plan to use and at the bottom of the page it will tell you exactly what you will get.
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The Maestro (with a compatible head unit) has the capability of displaying jeep info on the display screen... tire pressure, door open/close, oil temps, fuel level... etc



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That's awesome. Maestro RR?

And besides the head unit, what else do I need for that?
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I think (donít hold me to it). The Maestro allows you to keep the steering wheel controls and set the preference to use the aftermarket head unit for phone and voice control. That essentially allows you to kill uConnect (pretty annoying).


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That's awesome. Maestro RR?

And besides the head unit, what else do I need for that?
Maestro RR, CH1 harness, an antenna adapter to convert the Fakra plug and one of these HU's

https://maestro.idatalink.com/compatible-radios/

They also have a Fakra adapter for the sat antenna but you will have to get a sxv300v1 tuner.
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Cool Stuff.

Yea, thats my question.
What if anything would the AVIC-7000 display?
User/Install manual show the idatalink connector, but idatalink website shows a yellow [DATA] with the 7000 headunit combined with the 08 Jeep. Selecting that, puts me in a loop.
You will not get the fader or the OBD display because that unit does not have the data port on the back. You would need to get Pioneer NEX to have access to those features.
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I think (donít hold me to it). The Maestro allows you to keep the steering wheel controls and set the preference to use the aftermarket head unit for phone and voice control. That essentially allows you to kill uConnect (pretty annoying).


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You do lose phone control but you can keep voice (Siri) and make a call though her.
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You do lose phone control but you can keep voice (Siri) and make a call though her.


Yeah, I meant killing uConnect was a good think. Maestro lets you control Siri and make calls with steering wheel controls through aftermarket head unit.


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You still keep all the steering wheel controls with a PAC harness, thats exactly what its designed to do.
You can even reprogram the buttons to do what you want them to do within reason.

The Maestro allows you to get data screens on your radio and to control some accessories if you have them all thru the CAN.
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You will not get the fader or the OBD display because that unit does not have the data port on the back. You would need to get Pioneer NEX to have access to those features.

The avic 7000 does have a data port.
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You do lose phone control but you can keep voice (Siri) and make a call though her.

You don't lose phone control. Maestro gives you a choice between Uconnect, or the avic 7000 internal blue tooth hands free phone. Siri is an option but either way it is not required.
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The maestro in combo with the avic 7000 will give you the folowing:


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Two Functions on Each Button
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Navigation Outputs
Accessory Power Output (15A)
Parking Brake Output
Reverse Light Output
Illumination Output
Vehicle Speed Pulse Output
Foot Brake Output

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Gain Adjustment (Premium Audio)

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Bluetooth Phone Calls
USB Media Player
Voice Commands
Browse Media Library
Meta Data Display
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Shuffle Control
Repeat Control
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You SHOULD have full amplifier control including fade.


You will have a choice to continue to use Uconnect or abandon it in favor of the 7000's bluetooth system
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Maestro RR, CH1 harness, an antenna adapter to convert the Fakra plug and one of these HU's

https://maestro.idatalink.com/compatible-radios/

They also have a Fakra adapter for the sat antenna but you will have to get a sxv300v1 tuner.
I ordered everything but the RR. I scored an AVIC-8400NEX for $485. I'm just slowly gathering supplies.

I have the AVH-X2800BS currently with the PAC RP4-CH11 but I wanted an upgrade.


Fakra plug, eh? Time to research lol.
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You don't lose phone control. Maestro gives you a choice between Uconnect, or the avic 7000 internal blue tooth hands free phone. Siri is an option but either way it is not required.
Well I did get rid of Uconnect and I have the AVIC-W8500NEX. My phone button will hang up if I remember correctly but it will not bring up phone menu. My voice button though brings up Siri and that is all I need.
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The avic 7000 does have a data port.
Oops. You are correct.
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I ordered everything but the RR. I scored an AVIC-8400NEX for $485. I'm just slowly gathering supplies.

I have the AVH-X2800BS currently with the PAC RP4-CH11 but I wanted an upgrade.


Fakra plug, eh? Time to research lol.
That's what they call it. I had the same can-bus adapter but went with the Maestro when I swapped out my 2700 for a MVH2300NEX.
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That's what they call it. I had the same can-bus adapter but went with the Maestro when I swapped out my 2700 for a MVH2300NEX.
Bought the Maestro Rr and CH1 along with AVH-2330NEX. Excited about installing myself but nervous too! I know how to solder since I work on drones for fun. On the diagram on Step 3 they mention the red and black connections. I am assuming the one I have looks more orange is the red connector they are talking about.

Any advice on what made your installs easier please let me know. Hoping to do this install this weekend. Also, I was planning on disconnecting the battery but saw couple of topics say not necessary as long as keys are not in. Thoughts?
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Bought the Maestro Rr and CH1 along with AVH-2330NEX. Excited about installing myself but nervous too! I know how to solder since I work on drones for fun. On the diagram on Step 3 they mention the red and black connections. I am assuming the one I have looks more orange is the red connector they are talking about.

Any advice on what made your installs easier please let me know. Hoping to do this install this weekend. Also, I was planning on disconnecting the battery but saw couple of topics say not necessary as long as keys are not in. Thoughts?
Good luck. I'm looking to install MVH-1400NEX this weekend if all my deliveries get here in time. Let me know how yours goes.
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I installed the AVH-2440NEX with Maestro RR, CH1, etc when I got my Jeep. The iDatalink wiring instructions were pretty good and easy to follow. Pretty happy with it, especially the dual camera inputs!
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Bought the Maestro Rr and CH1 along with AVH-2330NEX. Excited about installing myself but nervous too! I know how to solder since I work on drones for fun. On the diagram on Step 3 they mention the red and black connections. I am assuming the one I have looks more orange is the red connector they are talking about.

Any advice on what made your installs easier please let me know. Hoping to do this install this weekend. Also, I was planning on disconnecting the battery but saw couple of topics say not necessary as long as keys are not in. Thoughts?
The harness that runs from the factory plug has a green, white and black plug. The T-Harness also has a red plug which is not used. To wire it together I used some solder seal wire connectors and a heat gun. Used to use crimp connectors but I really like these better. Also you are supposed to disconnect the battery before doing any electrical work. I have never done it...
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I installed the AVH-2440NEX with Maestro RR, CH1, etc when I got my Jeep. The iDatalink wiring instructions were pretty good and easy to follow. Pretty happy with it, especially the dual camera inputs!
Good to know! I have a couple of questions if you don't mind answering:

1. Why is the Parking Break wire for the Pioneer so long? I am assuming I will just cut it back to the same size as the other wires???

2. The Step 3 says use Red connector. Does your connector look more orange?

3. I don't have the Amp so I will use the configuration like instructions? I read somewhere just leave as is and the radio will know there is no amp.
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Good luck. I'm looking to install MVH-1400NEX this weekend if all my deliveries get here in time. Let me know how yours goes.
Will do! I am hoping to get this all done this weekend.
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The harness that runs from the factory plug has a green, white and black plug. The T-Harness also has a red plug which is not used. To wire it together I used some solder seal wire connectors and a heat gun. Used to use crimp connectors but I really like these better. Also you are supposed to disconnect the battery before doing any electrical work. I have never done it...
Thanks for the reply. You have me confused right now probably because I am not in from of the harness.

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