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Old 03-25-2016, 11:06 AM
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Driveshaft length with Mopar Dana 60's?

Does anybody here run the Metalcloak 3.5" Game Changer (non-6pack) with Mopar Dana 60 axles (Dana Spicer Ultimate 60's)? If you have this setup I'd like to know what length driveshafts you ordered. I want to order my driveshafts ahead of time and I'd like to know the length I'll need. Actually any brand 3.5" lift that included all 8 control arms used with the Mopar Dana 60s should give me a ballpark number, just let me know what lift kit you have. I can always look up the control arm length to compare the difference with the MC arms.

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Best bet is to measure yoke to yoke yourself. What shaft are you getting ? I know ADAMS will ask for a measurement or range ie 2-4, 4-6"

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Best bet is to measure yoke to yoke yourself. What shaft are you getting ? I know ADAMS will ask for a measurement or range ie 2-4, 4-6"
I'm trying to avoid the down time. I live in Wisconsin and most "brand name" driveshaft companies are several days away for shipping. If it takes me a couple days to do the lift & axle swap, a couple days for the driveshafts to get made, and 3-4 for UPS to get them to me, that's a long time.

If we surveyed 100 JK owners with "off-the-shelf" 3-4" lifts and Dana 60's I'd bet that 95% or more would have driveshafts within a 2" range of each other.
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I'm trying to avoid the down time. I live in Wisconsin and most "brand name" driveshaft companies are several days away for shipping. If it takes me a couple days to do the lift & axle swap, a couple days for the driveshafts to get made, and 3-4 for UPS to get them to me, that's a long time. If we surveyed 100 JK owners with "off-the-shelf" 3-4" lifts and Dana 60's I'd bet that 95% or more would have driveshafts within a 2" range of each other.
Call James Adams. People claim super quick shipping.
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I got the Woods and they shipped the next day...The Mechanic said they were the nicest DS he had ever seen...

Adams or Woods are both great and I would go with either
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If we surveyed 100 JK owners with "off-the-shelf" 3-4" lifts and Dana 60's I'd bet that 95% or more would have driveshafts within a 2" range of each other.
While that may be true, you would be hard pressed to find 5 people with these 60's right now, let alone 100.
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While that may be true, you would be hard pressed to find 5 people with these 60's right now, let alone 100.
I think these are more popular than you think, they are such an amazing value. $11,000 for a complete bolt-in set of Dana/Spicer 60's has re-wrote the book on aftermarket axles. Keep in mind these are the exacts same axles as the Spicer Ultimate 60's. I did a ton of research on Dana 60 axles and did a write-up about them that you can read on my website. It's long but filled with tons of specs and comparisons with the likes of Teraflex, Dynatrac, Currie, and others. I hope others find it useful.
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I think these are more popular than you think, they are such an amazing value. $11,000 for a complete bolt-in set of Dana/Spicer 60's has re-wrote the book on aftermarket axles. Keep in mind these are the exacts same axles as the Spicer Ultimate 60's. I did a ton of research on Dana 60 axles and did a write-up about them that you can read on my website. It's long but filled with tons of specs and comparisons with the likes of Teraflex, Dynatrac, Currie, and others. I hope others find it useful.
Good job on that
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Good job on that
Thanks you. It was so much work to get all the details (and there are many I couldn't nail down) that I thought I should write it down for others to reference and critique.
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If it was mine I would much rather take the measurements and wait the few days to make sure it was done right then take some guy on the interwebs word for how long they had their's cut.

There is a reason you can't call and say I have such and such lift with these axles and have the perfect shaft shipped to you. We all know they know what you need most of the time but they are not going to tell you.
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I think these are more popular than you think, they are such an amazing value. $11,000 for a complete bolt-in set of Dana/Spicer 60's has re-wrote the book on aftermarket axles. Keep in mind these are the exacts same axles as the Spicer Ultimate 60's. I did a ton of research on Dana 60 axles and did a write-up about them that you can read on my website. It's long but filled with tons of specs and comparisons with the likes of Teraflex, Dynatrac, Currie, and others. I hope others find it useful.
They are great axles no doubt. Any people I know running axles that big around here are not doing bolt ins though because they either have fab skills or have close friends that do. 6-7k and a little work beats 11k any day.

Personally I would do the bolt ins myself for simplicity. If I ever had the need. But I am not to the point where I can justify 11k yet...aka I am not on 40's. Nor will I probably ever be. The vast majority seem to stop at 37's as I will, where a nice built 44 front and shafts in the rear will usually suffice.

How many of us are running around on 40"+ tires? Locally I know of 2 or 3 but the tri-state area isn't exactly a rock crawling Mecca either.
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Any people I know running axles that big around here are not doing bolt ins though because they either have fab skills
I used to do that sort of thing in a previous life before I had kids, when I could spend hours in the garage cutting, grinding, and welding. I had more time then money. Now it seems like I have no time. Also, I'm hoping to sell the brand new Rubi axles to off-set the cost of the D60's by $3,500-4,000. I've seen lightly used ones go for $3,500 a set.

I agree that built 44's should hold up to 37's. I researched that route and like everything else, there are trade-off involved. Time, money, and what you get when you're done. I feel that if I can sell the Rubi axles for $3,500, making my total investment in the 60's $7,500, this is a better bang for my buck then investing in the 44's. Certainly this is a matter of opinion and it would make a great conversation for another thread.

I still wish I could get some driveshaft measurements from somebody. I've talked with a few different vendors like Dynatrac (who sells the Mopar version) and Northridge4x4 (Dana version) and so far everybody who sells these has them in stock. As far as I'm aware this is the first mass-produced Dana 60 for the Jeep which means it should be possible to mass-produce a mating driveshaft. Lift companies like Metalcloak sell driveshafts to go along with their lifts without requiring you to call with a measurement. I can understand the need to measure when using Frankenstein axles, but something consistent should enable this problem to be solved. Come on driveshaft vendors, where is your Bigweld spirit? "See a need, fill a need"
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Call James Adams. People claim super quick shipping.
Yup, I got a custom length 1350 shaft in 48 hours. Dont buy from quadratec, call admas directly!

I am running a standard length tom woods shaft on my front dana 60 with no problems.
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We also sell the Adams products and have a package deal with the Ultimate 60's! Adams is fantastic and once we have measurements they will build and ship the shafts within a 24 hour turn around!

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We also sell the Adams products and have a package deal with the Ultimate 60's! Adams is fantastic and once we have measurements they will build and ship the shafts within a 24 hour turn around!

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That's a good deal for that package when you include the freight. I'll give you call about the details. Thanks.
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That's a good deal for that package when you include the freight. I'll give you call about the details. Thanks.
Sounds good! Give us a shout at 866-601-5340 and we can get you more info!

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Any update to this? Interested to see how it all turned out!
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I could not find a measurement for the combination. I ended up swapping in the rear Dana 60, measuring the distance from yoke to yoke and putting the Dana 44 right back in so I could drive it while I waited for the new driveshaft (which I ordered from Adams Driveshaft). The measurement is 43-⅝" from tip of the Dana 60 yoke to the tip of the stock t-case output flange.

A week later I got the new driveshaft. It did not seem to be the correct size but after I called Adams they explained that the new output flanges they send with the driveshaft are a different length than the stock flanges and this accounts for the difference between the measure meant I took and the actual length of what they send. After their reassurance I went ahead with the project and swapped the Dana 60 back in. The new driveshaft was too long. I only had 1-½" of compression travel left.

I called Adams to explain the problem and I sent them pictures of how I measured the length (because of course I took pictures). This turned out to be important because they were expecting a measurement of the LONGEST possible dimension, from the back of the saddle on the Dana 60 yoke to the mounting surface of the stock output flange, whereas I sent them the SHORTEST possible length, tip of the yoke to tip of the output flange. I explained how I measured it when I ordered it but it didn't seem to be an issue at the time.

Kevin at Adams said that 1-½" is too tight and he sent a call tag to have the driveshaft picked up. They shortened it and sent it back to me all at NO CHARGE and 10 days later it was installed and everything is good now.

One other thing, with the front driveshaft the massive 1350CV hits the transfer case cable bracket when it rotates. I had to cut part of the bracket off with a cut-off wheel for clearance.
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TIPN, thanks so much for all that info! That will really help me out when it comes time to do this.
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