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Old 01-17-2020, 08:42 AM
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ESC/ ABS light -HELP diagnose

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I am not new to the forum, I just havent posted in about a year and I no longer use my old email so I started a new account.

I have a 2012 unlimited sport. It has a 2 inch spacer lift, 35s, powertrax no slip in front, detroit tru-trac in rear. 4.88 gears.
I recently had the Yeti Steer smarts XD and Griffin steering kit and and steer smart stabilizer installed . I have 80K on my original ball joints but I am told they are fine.

- The issue: When turning or going over rough roads my ESC light is coming on. When turning right and braking my ESC light is coming on and my ABS is kicking on. I took it to the dealer and they diagnosed it as a dynamic sensor. I had the sensor replaced for $500. Two weeks later, the vehicle is doing the same thing and has gotten worse.

Any ideas are appreciated. The vehicle is back at the dealer now.

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Did this start after the steering was replaced? Dumb question but did you get a alignment?

On the JK's, if the steering angle position sensor is +/- 3*, it can cause this to happen. We have seen some that are more "picky" than others. I would start there.

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Did this start after the steering was replaced? Dumb question but did you get a alignment?

On the JK's, if the steering angle position sensor is +/- 3*, it can cause this to happen. We have seen some that are more "picky" than others. I would start there.

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Yes an alignment was done by a professional shop.
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When my ESC and ABS light came on it was a wheel speed sensor. Idk if that's the case here or not. Just my .02...GL
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Hello All,

I am not new to the forum, I just havent posted in about a year and I no longer use my old email so I started a new account.

I have a 2012 unlimited sport. It has a 2 inch spacer lift, 35s, powertrax no slip in front, detroit tru-trac in rear. 4.88 gears.
I recently had the Yeti Steer smarts XD and Griffin steering kit and and steer smart stabilizer installed . I have 80K on my original ball joints but I am told they are fine.

- The issue: When turning or going over rough roads my ESC light is coming on. When turning right and braking my ESC light is coming on and my ABS is kicking on. I took it to the dealer and they diagnosed it as a dynamic sensor. I had the sensor replaced for $500. Two weeks later, the vehicle is doing the same thing and has gotten worse.

Any ideas are appreciated. The vehicle is back at the dealer now.
That dealer sucks.

Your steering wheel (ie. drag link) needs to be properly centered and adjusted. I was able to do mine, and got it dead-nuts. Potentially you may need to reset steering angle sensor once you have a setup that’s verified as centered. Setting proper toe should be checked and done if necessary.

Additionally, you can pull codes and if it’s a wheel speed sensor, the codes will tell you which one. If you have a good code reader with live data, you can hook it up, and get each wheel off the ground, spinning it, and seeing which one does not reflect speed. That one would be the culprit.
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You are guessing unless you pull codes out of the ABS module. As to Jeep being back at the dealer, maybe there was a dynamic sensor issue and now that it's fixed, another problem is there. Or maybe they misdiagnosed it.

I just wouldn't subscribe to, ABS light is on, replace wheel sensors. You have to know what the computer is flagging as an issue.
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That dealer sucks.

Your steering wheel (ie. drag link) needs to be properly centered and adjusted. I was able to do mine, and got it dead-nuts. Potentially you may need to reset steering angle sensor once you have a setup that’s verified as centered. Setting proper toe should be checked and done if necessary.

Additionally, you can pull codes and if it’s a wheel speed sensor, the codes will tell you which one. If you have a good code reader with live data, you can hook it up, and get each wheel off the ground, spinning it, and seeing which one does not reflect speed. That one would be the culprit.
How do you reset the steering angle sensor?
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I agree. If the steering is "Centered" then putting it on a live data computer to show what each ABS sensor is doing would be the next step.

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I agree. If the steering is "Centered" then putting it on a live data computer to show what each ABS sensor is doing would be the next step.

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Techs have had it for 5 hours. They are using a computer system and WiFI to diagnose while driving it down the road. I have never herd of this??
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We do it here. It is so we can see the ABS in real time.

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Update: The dealership said the steering wheel was off so they reentered it. Then they said that after driving it with the diagnostics that it was the Griffin XD dampener that was confusing the steering angle sensor. They recommended going back to the original equipment. And told me to take it back to the shop that put it on- Big Snatch Offroad. BSOR specializes in Jeep upgrades and recommended the kit a year ago to fix my steering issues. Luckily they did not charge me anything even though they worked on it all day and couldn't figure it out. They also said they experienced death wobble and claimed it was due to the Griffin XD as well.

Here's the thing: I had the Yeti XD steer smart kit without the griffin XD dampener for a whole year and the problem was there before I put the griffin on this week although maybe it made it even more noticeable? Only had it on there a day and noticed my ESC ABD issue was still there. I feel like they haven't figured out the source of the problem. I took the Jeep back to BSOR that installed the Yeti XD kit and dampener and will be calling them tomorrow.
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We do it here. It is so we can see the ABS in real time.

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Hey Jason,

I know you deal a lot with Steer smarts. The dealership told me the Griffin XD was causing the problem but i still had the problem with the yeti XD kit before i put the griffin on. I am not sure what to do so I took it back to the shop that put the kit on-BSOR in Fredericksburg, VA. Hopefully they can figure it out. They send the vehicles down the street to an alignment shop after they install the parts . Im not impressed with this alignment shop since my wheel wasn't straight according to the dealership.
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When the 2" spacer lift went on did you re-center the axle?


If your front axle is too far off center compared to the rear then the wheel tracking will be different from front to rear causing excessively different wheel speeds which will kick the abs/esc
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When the 2" spacer lift went on did you re-center the axle?


If your front axle is too far off center compared to the rear then the wheel tracking will be different from front to rear causing excessively different wheel speeds which will kick the abs/esc
Im not really sure. I know the shop did an alignment after. Its been on there since 2012. I got the Yeti Kit (without the Griffin) Last year and the symptoms started slowly shortly thereafter. After putting the griffin and steering stabilizer on this week the symptoms are now much worse.
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Update:

Took it back to BSOR today and they found that my track bar was broken. The bushings had worn out. My vehicle was moving all over the place when they shook the steering wheel and you could see the play in the track bar.
basically when i was turning the steering wheel was getting off center causing the esc to go on. This is also why the dealership experienced the death wobble.

They are installing the Yeti XD trackbar.

Fingers crossed but at the least we are on the right track.
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When the 2" spacer lift went on did you re-center the axle?


If your front axle is too far off center compared to the rear then the wheel tracking will be different from front to rear causing excessively different wheel speeds which will kick the abs/esc

I think this is essentially the issue as the axel was coming off center because the trackbar was broken.
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When my ESC and ABS light came on it was a wheel speed sensor. Idk if that's the case here or not. Just my .02...GL
Mine was the bearings in the hubs. Also caused intermittent CC issue as well. 09 JKR with 165k at the time. Also running 1.5" wheel spacers in stock rims with 285/75/17. I was expecting the bearings to wear faster because the CL of the wheel is not outside the center of the bearing.
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Mine was the bearings in the hubs. Also caused intermittent CC issue as well. 09 JKR with 165k at the time. Also running 1.5" wheel spacers in stock rims with 285/75/17. I was expecting the bearings to wear faster because the CL of the wheel is not outside the center of the bearing.
I think the dealership ruled out wheel speed sensors when they did their real time diagnostics while driving. Would a code have popped for the bearings in the hubs? I have 82K miles. 35x12.50r17 tires on 17X9 blackjack soft 8 steel wheels with 4.5inch backspace. It might be something to look into if this new trackbar doesn't solve the issue.
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Would a code have popped for the bearings in the hubs?
I didn't get a code for the bearings. I had it scanned after the ABS light came on and they picked up an issue with the LF ABS sensor. I bought one and took it to my mechanic, He picked it up with the lift and he could notice the front wheels cambering positive. The ABS wheel is on the bearing and it went out of line with the sensor with the wear on the bearings.
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Well so far so good with the new Griffin XD track bar. I drove it home with no ESC light or ABS while turning. I tried a few hard rights while braking just to make sure. Everything feels tight driving down the road too. AND I kept the Griffin XD attenuator on there. To be honest this is the best the steering has felt and I bought it new in 2012.

Time will tell if it pops up again but so far I would say the situation was resolved and if it does I know where to take it-Big Snatch Offroad. The only time I will be taking my jeep to the dealership first is for things like oil change and state inspection. I am pretty disappointed they overlooked something so major- it was so obvious from the outside turning the steering wheel the track bar was jumping all over the place. They assumed it was a sensor thing but it turned out to be a component that I am told by BSOR is the first thing to check with death wobble. Its sad bc this dealership has a special Jeep section and people travel from far around to use them. They actually modify most of their jeeps on the lot when they are brand new. I was pretty lucky that they didn't charge me for a whole day of diagnostics however, so they aren't totally bad.
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Took it back to BSOR today and they found that my track bar was broken. The bushings had worn out. My vehicle was moving all over the place when they shook the steering wheel and you could see the play in the track bar.
basically when i was turning the steering wheel was getting off center causing the esc to go on.

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The trackbar I put in a year ago was an HD designed by mammoth. It was in for 1 year before it failed. Now I am uncertain of the reason why. MY first suspicion is the stock bolts on my trackbar. I feel they might have gotten loose those causing the it to breakdown. I am planning to switch to the 9/16" grade 8 bolts later this week. It could also be that the Bar I put in wasn't up to the task of working with the thicker Yeti Gear. Everything in there matches now with the Yeti Trackbar and with the Griffin it drives way better. I should have went this route with everything a year ago but I was trying to save some money- not always the best idea. Live and learn.
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Glad you got it figured out! We have NEVER seen a Steer Smarts product cause death wobble or anything like that. The dealer thinking their "MOPAR" steering is best would be quick to point toward the Steer Smarts as the issue. I was pretty sure it was in the steering.

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Jeeps are fun because they offer more to learn than the average vehicle. I'm glad to hear the dealership was wrong about the Griffin, because it seems like a good concept for softening the impacts to other steering components.
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Glad you got it figured out! We have NEVER seen a Steer Smarts product cause death wobble or anything like that. The dealer thinking their "MOPAR" steering is best would be quick to point toward the Steer Smarts as the issue. I was pretty sure it was in the steering.

If there is anything we can do to help out, please let us know.

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Luckily BSOR puts a lot of the Yeti stuff in and knew that wasnt the issue. If they didnt figure it out I was about to make the 7 hr drive to your shop before I was putting the stock mopar steering back in that wore out in the first place.
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Luckily BSOR puts a lot of the Yeti stuff in and knew that wasnt the issue. If they didnt figure it out I was about to make the 7 hr drive to your shop before I was putting the stock mopar steering back in that wore out in the first place.
LOL we would have been more than happy to help! Our door is always open! LOL...

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Ecs/ abs lights

It’s too bad so many techs these days are simply trained to look at a scanner and paid to swap out parts instead of taking the time to diagnose & repair problems. Back when I was cutting my teeth at the dealer level you had to disassemble and repair most parts not just replace them. I’ll never forget rebuilding my first radial A/C compressor! What a nightmare, I could have built 4 engines by the time I got that compressor fixed & running! If you submitted a part that was still in spec, your labor time was deducted from your check, too many of those you were fired. Now it’s just swap parts til they figure it out...
Because of a spinal cord tumor I had to trust someone else to replace my clutch last summer. I’ve done too many clutches to count over the years, I remember swapping them out of my GTO trackside in my racing days. Done many 4x4 clutches (Just more nuts & bolts). These guys took a week to do it, and I never even made it home afterward! It took another 4 days, and once on the lift found my skid plates bent up behind a bunch of crap, it must have fallen off the lift although first they tried to blame me until I showed them impossible to drive the Jeep if they were put back as I found them. A week later the front driveshaft fell out, and I found the clutch inspection cover GONE! luckily I was only doing about 20mph in the neighborhood. I still ended up on my back underneath fixing stupid mistakes like putting wiring where it belongs, connecting the shift linkage to the transfer case (it was zipp tied!), rehanging the exhaust, one handed mostly!
If you find a good mechanic stick with them, I only wish my body would allow me to do it, I’d open a new shop tomorrow!
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