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Old 07-09-2015, 08:16 AM
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Front Bumper Question

So I got my Jeep about 2 weeks ago and in thinking about some of the next things I want to do, which are tires/wheels, lift and bumpers, I ran across someone in my local area selling this bumper.

It's a decent price, so that's not really my concern. I suppose my question is two-fold.

A) Are there any concerns with buying a used bumper. I've seen photos and it looks like it's in good shape, but I haven't seen it in person yet and I wasn't really looking at getting a bumper just yet, so my knowledge is slight.

B) How hard are these to self-install. I have some know-how, but it started talking about adapting the crush cans, and that made me a bit nervous. I thought it was going to be a simple bolt on assembly. It looks like I'll also have to get a tool to ensure I am securing to the right torque.

And bonus question, what front bumper would you recommend. I'm open to learning about what you like and why I might like it. I don't yet have a winch, but intend on getting one. And it has to be black. Those are my only two qualifying factors.

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So I got my Jeep about 2 weeks ago and in thinking about some of the next things I want to do, which are tires/wheels, lift and bumpers, I ran across someone in my local area selling this bumper.

It's a decent price, so that's not really my concern. I suppose my question is two-fold.

A) Are there any concerns with buying a used bumper. I've seen photos and it looks like it's in good shape, but I haven't seen it in person yet and I wasn't really looking at getting a bumper just yet, so my knowledge is slight.

B) How hard are these to self-install. I have some know-how, but it started talking about adapting the crush cans, and that made me a bit nervous. I thought it was going to be a simple bolt on assembly. It looks like I'll also have to get a tool to ensure I am securing to the right torque.

And bonus question, what front bumper would you recommend. I'm open to learning about what you like and why I might like it. I don't yet have a winch, but intend on getting one. And it has to be black. Those are my only two qualifying factors.
That is an awesome bumper, and if the price is good I would jump on it. I would look at the attachment points and make sure they aren't rusted and grab that bumper. Installation is easy, but as always easier with two people.

I prefer the Rampage bumper myself.
http://rampageproducts.com/instructi...510-bumper.pdf

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It's an awesome bumper without a doubt. When buying used, price is everything...... how much does he want? I wouldn't pay more than 60-70% of the price of a new one and that's if its in undamaged excellent condition.

When you see it, it will be easy to tell if its been abused.... you will see bent parts that have been straightened (hard to hide that 100%), rust, new paint that's not quite right, etc. I would also ask why he is selling it and go from there.....

Installation is easy, but get a buddy to help...... I did the bumper on my XJ mostly by myself (the other guy's name was Jack -- Motorcycle Jack -- LOL) and I would not want to do that again alone.
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I installed that ARB Bull Bar bumper on my '12 2 door sport. A few things you should know that you may not know about it yet.

1) There is some minor drilling required since this doesn't just attach with the 8 stock frame bar bolts, there are 2 additional bolts that hold this to the frame underneath the rails. I can't recall if you had to drill new holes or just route existing ones out to make them bigger... but be prepared with some large drill bits for cutting steel, a high torque electric drill and some paint for the holes to prevent rusting if you go with this bumper. It's a rock solid mount though, that's a thick/heavy bumper that WILL NOT MOVE once you've got it installed properly.

2)The crush cans are easy to transfer from your stock bumper but they aren't required. I actually used a dremmel with a metal cutting disc to cut them out of the old bumper, the steel isn't very thick around them and you just need to cut a large enough rectangle to give the crush cans a foundation when you put them under the plastic covers (from the inside) on the ARB bumper.

3) The wiring for the turn signal lights is a pita because the instructions are for an Austrailian RHD jeep and the colors for the wiring harness in the US is completely different. Once you figure out which wires are which it's easy but do your research!

I loved that bumper and was ready to put the same one on my 15 Rubi, but decided against it because I had a nightmare trying to get an undamaged bumper delivered to me. I ended up going with AEV since I know the guys (I've wheeled with them) and their primary assembly facility in MI is 15 minutes from I house. I just picked up the bumper & inspected it myself before I paid for it.

In terms of price, most are asking for $950 new. If it's in immaculate shape $750 might be the most I'd pay...but after seeing what goes into installing this bumper, I wouldn't buy this one used to be completely honest. The wiring uses splicing clamps so you'll have to order new wiring harnesses to install the lights. The powder coat on ARBs is not the best (especially the satin, which is intended to be painted over) and I find it hard to believe that the bumper could come off undamaged due to the weight and additional mounting points if previously installed. Just IMO.
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I'm pretty happy with my bumper. The transfer of crush cans are optional. You will need to drill as other have stated. It's pretty solid. I had to slide off a rock ledge backwards. The vehicle came down hard on the front bumper. Only scratches to the shackle points were the end result.
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This was all super helpful. He's asking 600 but seems flexible.

Would a new wiring harness be easy to obtain?
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600 is a sweet deal, make sure its not a knockoff as there are tons running around
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I think my biggest worry is having the right tools. I don't really yet have many. Buy as I go, but seems I may need to invest in some decent stuff. What would yall recommend in general and in specific.

Also, how would I know if this were a knockoff?
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This was all super helpful. He's asking 600 but seems flexible.

Would a new wiring harness be easy to obtain?
Not sure, it's not something that's sold individually. Keep in mind your factory fogs will bolt right up, it's the side marker lights that include wires to splice into the turn signal lights.

These are also something you don't have to run until you have the right equipment. Ask the seller if he is including the wiring that came with the bumper for the turn signal/marker lights. You can probably run heat shrink tubing or liquid tape to cover the parts he already spliced, and you can get new electro-tap clamps at any hardware store.

If you did want to start 'clean' with the actual bagged kit of wires, taps & marker lights that came with the bumper, I think you're only option would be to contact ARB directly. I don't think that's an item you're going to find on ebay (not without them bumper included).

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