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Old 04-10-2016, 03:23 PM
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Hawse Fairlead Scratches/Burrs

I don't find a whole lot of info out there on this item and it's something I had to put 2 and 2 together to figure out. All of these winches coming with S rope come with aluminium hawse fairleads and steel tow hooks. Installers and owners will snug up the hook to the fairlead as is shown in most of the product pictures from the OEM. However, it is quite evident that the fairlead gets scratches and burrs in it from having the hook/pin touching it. This then could lead to cutting and potential breakage of the S rope under load if it rubs against any of these scratches burrs. WHY in the world is this not addressed direct from the OEM? I know many will avoid the problem by connecting the tow hook to a tow point on their bumper etc, but the fact remains there is no warning in the product literature I've seen, and it's not often discussed that this could be damaging to the rope and at worst very dangerous for the vehicle/passenger trying to use the rope under load. I just got done sanding out/polishing up scratches and burrs on my warn fairlead. I switched from steel hook to an aluminum link with rubber pads designed to sit up against the fairlead to avoid future damage to my rope/my vehicle/myself.

Am I missing something here? Is this an elephant in the room or am I just kinda slow on the uptake?

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Because, the rope hook is not supposed to be pulled all the way into the fairlead. It should be stored on one of the Bowed rings, or stock J-Hooks.
For those that want to bring the rope all the way in, they make polyurethane isolators, like these:
Daystar Winch Isolator

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I don't find a whole lot of info out there on this item and it's something I had to put 2 and 2 together to figure out. All of these winches coming with S rope come with aluminium hawse fairleads and steel tow hooks. Installers and owners will snug up the hook to the fairlead as is shown in most of the product pictures from the OEM. However, it is quite evident that the fairlead gets scratches and burrs in it from having the hook/pin touching it. This then could lead to cutting and potential breakage of the S rope under load if it rubs against any of these scratches burrs. WHY in the world is this not addressed direct from the OEM? I know many will avoid the problem by connecting the tow hook to a tow point on their bumper etc, but the fact remains there is no warning in the product literature I've seen, and it's not often discussed that this could be damaging to the rope and at worst very dangerous for the vehicle/passenger trying to use the rope under load. I just got done sanding out/polishing up scratches and burrs on my warn fairlead. I switched from steel hook to an aluminum link with rubber pads designed to sit up against the fairlead to avoid future damage to my rope/my vehicle/myself.

Am I missing something here? Is this an elephant in the room or am I just kinda slow on the uptake?

My scratched up fairlead
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I can't see those scratches tearing up your syn. rope. That stuff isn't as fragile as glass. If it does continue to concern you, you could easily smooth those out with some sandpaper. As for why the OEM doesn't disclose this, well I believe they didn't say to keep it spooled up like that. And I'm not trying to be a _____. It's off road stuff. And winches with rope or cable with all their accoutrements will get wear and tear if/when used...it's a given.
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Old 04-10-2016, 03:38 PM
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Because, the rope hook is not supposed to be pulled all the way into the fairlead. It should be stored on one of the Bowed rings, or stock J-Hooks.
For those that want to bring the rope all the way in, they make polyurethane isolators, like these:
Daystar Winch Isolator
Thanks, good to know. I solved the problem with using a flatlink which effectively also guards the fairlead. I didn't know about the winch Isolators I had the winch installed by a jeep garage who had the hook up against the fairlead when I picked it up. They didn't tell me anything about isolating it.


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I can't see those scratches tearing up your syn. rope. That stuff isn't as fragile as glass. If it does continue to concern you, you could easily smooth those out with some sandpaper. As for why the OEM doesn't disclose this, well I believe they didn't say to keep it spooled up like that. And I'm not trying to be a _____. It's off road stuff. And winches with rope or cable with all their accoutrements will get wear and tear if/when used...it's a given.
Makes sense I had this installed by a Jeep Shop and they gave it to me with the hook up against the fairlead. They didn't tell me anything about isolating it and because I always see the hook up against fairlead in the product pics, and didn't read anything saying not to do that in the product literature I didn't immediately correct it. But I knew it couldn't be correct so I fixed the issue with the flatlink. But good to know that those scratches burrs would have not been too much of a problem even if I didn't just sand/polish them out. All good now, and thanks for replying guys.
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I'm going to give Bubba Rope Winch rope a try, it has a non metal eye so it will avoid any fairlead damage.
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Dont pull the hook all the way in... attach it to a D ring or somewhere else on the bumper
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I recently installed a Warn Vr10k-s. The instructions specifically say not to winch in the rope all the way against the fairlead.
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I just got done sanding out/polishing up scratches and burrs on my warn fairlead. I switched from steel hook to an aluminum link with rubber pads...
I didn't like the Warn fairlead either. The fairlead is clearcoated, and the 1st time I used the winch the clearcoat 'smeared' anywhere the line touched it. Mine also had considerable casting roughness in the opening area. I ended up removing it, stripping the clearcoat, then smoothing & polishing it.

Even with the Flatlink, you need to be careful of the eyelet on the end of the line, since it still pulls into the fairlead a little. I covered mine with pieces of an old bike inner tube.

If you look close, you can see it in this picture as well as the polished fairlead:
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I didn't like the Warn fairlead either. The fairlead is clearcoated, and the 1st time I used the winch the clearcoat 'smeared' anywhere the line touched it. Mine also had considerable casting roughness in the opening area. I ended up removing it, stripping the clearcoat, then smoothing & polishing it.

Even with the Flatlink, you need to be careful of the eyelet on the end of the line, since it still pulls into the fairlead a little. I covered mine with pieces of an old bike inner tube.

If you look close, you can see it in this picture as well as the polished fairlead:
Thanks good point I'll try to cover up that eyelet with something. I don't have rubber tubing but I do have self healing silicon tape which should work. That will also keep the rope protected from UV rays too.
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I don't have rubber tubing but I do have self healing silicon tape which should work. That will also keep the rope protected from UV rays too.
I tried the self-fusing silicone tape before the inner tube. It isn't very durable. The first time the eyelet hit the ground the silicone tape split. If you use it, try a wrap or 2 of Super33 electrical tape over it to improve durability.

Another good trick for UV resistance is to add a strip of nylon strap over the exposed part of the line. I used a nylon strap from the hardware store, then used a hot razor to cut it to the width I needed. It is long enough to go through the 'tube' parts of the eyelet and gets secured with very small ty-raps.
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I didn't like the Warn fairlead either. The fairlead is clearcoated, and the 1st time I used the winch the clearcoat 'smeared' anywhere the line touched it. Mine also had considerable casting roughness in the opening area. I ended up removing it, stripping the clearcoat, then smoothing & polishing it.

Even with the Flatlink, you need to be careful of the eyelet on the end of the line, since it still pulls into the fairlead a little. I covered mine with pieces of an old bike inner tube.

If you look close, you can see it in this picture as well as the polished fairlead:
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I tried the self-fusing silicone tape before the inner tube. It isn't very durable. The first time the eyelet hit the ground the silicone tape split. If you use it, try a wrap or 2 of Super33 electrical tape over it to improve durability.

Another good trick for UV resistance is to add a strip of nylon strap over the exposed part of the line. I used a nylon strap from the hardware store, then used a hot razor to cut it to the width I needed. It is long enough to go through the 'tube' parts of the eyelet and gets secured with very small ty-raps.

That really looks excellent! Nice work.
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I don't find a whole lot of info out there on this item and it's something I had to put 2 and 2 together to figure out. All of these winches coming with S rope come with aluminium hawse fairleads and steel tow hooks. Installers and owners will snug up the hook to the fairlead as is shown in most of the product pictures from the OEM. However, it is quite evident that the fairlead gets scratches and burrs in it from having the hook/pin touching it. This then could lead to cutting and potential breakage of the S rope under load if it rubs against any of these scratches burrs. WHY in the world is this not addressed direct from the OEM? I know many will avoid the problem by connecting the tow hook to a tow point on their bumper etc, but the fact remains there is no warning in the product literature I've seen, and it's not often discussed that this could be damaging to the rope and at worst very dangerous for the vehicle/passenger trying to use the rope under load. I just got done sanding out/polishing up scratches and burrs on my warn fairlead. I switched from steel hook to an aluminum link with rubber pads designed to sit up against the fairlead to avoid future damage to my rope/my vehicle/myself.

Am I missing something here? Is this an elephant in the room or am I just kinda slow on the uptake?

My scratched up fairlead
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I had the hook attached to D-ring mount on bumper, then went to isolator BEFORE any scratches and it butts up nicely with no issues!
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That really looks excellent! Nice work.

Agreed, really practical solution and looks great. Nicely done!


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