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Old 10-12-2015, 11:36 AM
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Angry Help! 2012 through 2017 oil filter issues..BEWARE..

I was doing a routine oil change on my 2012, when things went very bad! I unscrewed the oil filter cap and lifted it out, when a spring decided to come with it. Then I heard something fall inside the housing, I found a small piece of plastic and a round metal looking piece. When I went to grab the round piece it fell into a hole at the bottom of the housing and can no longer be seen. Now what can I do? What pieces are missing.

I've done dozens of oil changes on this thing and have never seen this spring before. I'm guessing it came from the post in the center of the oil filter housing.

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In the diagram of the entire housing, the piece fell into Hole #1, which is the inflow from the oil pump into the filter. If I manage to get the piece out, I just wonder what else is missing inside there.
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You on the right track, check out this youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjGnE...ature=youtu.be
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Thanks for that video. That's exactly what happened, the oil pressure relieve valve popped off after I removed the filter. Now, I just hope I'm able to remove whatever piece fell into the oil inlet pipe. Now I just need to figure out how to replace the entire housing.
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Wonder if you can install the 2014 and up redesigned housing and filter on your 2012 jeep. Would be nice to solve this issue once and for all.
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I was just quoted $220 for the housing, have to replace the whole thing since they don't sell just the valve. I just looked up the procedure replacing the housing, and it's quite extensive, but not too difficult. The first problem I see is that I have to relieve the fuel pressure, which involves starting the engine until it stalls. Can't do that because of the oil filter issue. Anyone know how to do this an alternate way?

I wonder if the dealer will cover this under the engine warranty?
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There should be a schrader valve somewhere by the fuel rail, where u hook a fuel pressure gauge. I'd say put a paper towel or rag over it and release the pressure with a small screw driver or whatever u use to let air out of tires
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Good news is that my Jeep dealer said they will replace the housing under the drivetrain warranty. Bad news is that they are booked for the next month, and I have to get it towed there. Oh well...at least if there are more pieces stuck in the engine, it'll be on them if there is a problem.

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I would make certain to put a BIG sign on the instrument cluster or taped to the steering wheel that says DO NOT START- NO OIL!
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^ that!
what junk some very necessary components are!
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I would make certain to put a BIG sign on the instrument cluster or taped to the steering wheel that says DO NOT START- NO OIL!
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Wonder if you can install the 2014 and up redesigned housing and filter on your 2012 jeep. Would be nice to solve this issue once and for all.
Is the 2014 and up housing a fix? I have a 2016, and want to be on the lookout if it is still a problem.
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I would make certain to put a BIG sign on the instrument cluster or taped to the steering wheel that says DO NOT START- NO OIL!
Good idea! Just in case, I think I'll fill up the oil too, just as a little extra protection...
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Is the 2014 and up housing a fix? I have a 2016, and want to be on the lookout if it is still a problem.
2014 and up use a different filter. dont have to worry about it.
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Seems to be a pretty common problem that I'm just now hearing about. I found a Dodge Avenger forum with guys that have the 3.6l Pentastar, and have the same exact problem. I can't believe such a critical function of the engine just explodes during an oil change. I can't honestly say, with 99.9% certainty, that I did not do anything wrong or negligent during the filter change...
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Glad to hear they are going to warrant it. Backlog sucks but puts all the liability on them. Assume they are going to use the new design assembly and filter.
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2014 and up use a different filter. dont have to worry about it.

That's good news.
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Glad to hear they are going to warrant it. Backlog sucks but puts all the liability on them. Assume they are going to use the new design assembly and filter.
I would like to know what they ultimately replace the housing with.. 2011-13 model or the newer design?

On that youtube video I asked the tech a question if the newer design would fit..

He didn't know but expressed the concern of someone using the wrong filter if the newer housing was installed - primarily since the filter is different for 2011-13 and 2014 and up..

You would need to make sure the correct filter is used..

He also needs to make sure they install the latest engineering update on the housing since they've had problems with leaks. I think its noted in the oil leak thread - the housing is at AC revision.

Something to watch out for...

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^^Thanks! I'll post an update when I find out which housing is going in.
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Makes me almost want to let the dealer do oil changes.
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A quick search brought up 05184294AE as the housing for a 2013. Does AE come after AC in Mopar world?
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A quick search brought up 05184294AE as the housing for a 2013. Does AE come after AC in Mopar world?
as the AE is later version. If they come out with another version it would be AF and so on.
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A quick search brought up 05184294AE as the housing for a 2013. Does AE come after AC in Mopar world?
I'm talking about the new housing being at revision AC.. its a different part number than the 2013 you noted.

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Subscribed. Didnt know this assembly was so sensative jeez. Looks like we need to pay attention during next oil change. Sorry for your troubles
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I'm talking about the new housing being at revision AC.. its a different part number than the 2013 you noted.

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So the question is will the 2014+ part number fit our 2012-2013's? OR is the 05184294AE number a revised housing that retains the 2012-2013 filter?
I wouldn't mind swapping this out if I knew for sure it would work.
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There is an enormous thread on the problems of the oil cooler housing for 2014 and later 3.6 pentastars. If you you search 2014 Cracked Oil Cooler you should find it.

As has been said, the part is only up to revision AC and it is not clear if the problem is yet resolved.

I would think twice about trying to "upgrade" a 2012/2013 with the 2014+ part.
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I would think twice about trying to "upgrade" a 2012/2013 with the 2014+ part.
I also would think twice about putting in a different component than the factory one for that specific model year. What if someone does an oil change on it (future owner?) and buys the oil filter for a 2012, not knowing that the housing has been changed?

Stick with what it came with from the factory.
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I also would think twice about putting in a different component than the factory one for that specific model year. What if someone does an oil change on it (future owner?) and buys the oil filter for a 2012, not knowing that the housing has been changed?

Stick with what it came with from the factory.
RJ... see what we have to look forward to? The plastic stem breaking and parts flying.

I can see ths now... unscrew the cap and pop goes the weasel..

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I was doing a routine oil change on my 2012, when things went very bad! I unscrewed the oil filter cap and lifted it out, when a spring decided to come with it. Then I heard something fall inside the housing, I found a small piece of plastic and a round metal looking piece. When I went to grab the round piece it fell into a hole at the bottom of the housing and can no longer be seen. Now what can I do? What pieces are missing.

I've done dozens of oil changes on this thing and have never seen this spring before. I'm guessing it came from the post in the center of the oil filter housing.
SOH... is that stem assembly removable? I know its not serviceable because you need to buy the entire housing..

It must press fit in the lower half of the housing.

Is there a way to get photos of that housing before the dealer sends it back to Jeep?

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I'm pretty sure it's removable. It's spring loaded, and probably has some type of C-clip holding it on. I don't want to mess with it, because if it breaks they might say I was negligent and not cover it under warranty.

I read on another forum that someone purchased the whole assembly, and figured out a way to remove the post without removing the entire assembly. They said it took over 2 hours of work to get it apart and back together.

I'm away from the Jeep for a few days, but will try to get some better pictures when I get a chance.

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