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Old 02-09-2015, 10:59 PM
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Help!!! Death Wobble

Hello all, I am having a horrible time diagnosing DW. It was at Firestone shop for 4 days before they gave up. Then I did the walk through check list, everything is tight. Nothing had play and nothing clunked. took everything off, looked for oval holes, replaced factory bolts with G8 shoulder bolts. AllTorqued all to spec. Left the steering stabilizer off and took it for a drive, no problems until I hit a rumble strip, bam, then back in town, hit a bump and bam. Went back checked all torque bolts and all was good. It's now been over a week now.

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Please provide more info about the jeep. Stock? Miles? Details so we can help you.

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Why did you leave the steering stabilizer off? That's an important part in preventing DW.
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I just went through a horrible time with DW. My Jeep has a 3 inch Full Traction lift installed at their factory and Procomp 35x12.5x17 Extreme AT's. It has 35k miles on a 2012, the tires were cupped in the front, had not been rotated properly. I replaced the bolts with Northridge kit. I found the trackbar bushing on the frame side was worn, I replaced it. Thinking I had the problem solved I was quickly made aware that was not the case. I found the upper and lower balljoints on both sides were worn as was the tie rod end on the passenger side. I replaced those and replaced the Procomps with 315/70/17 Duratracs.

End of story, it now drives perfectly, zero problems. Hope my experience might help you, DW really sucks, very dangerous to drive.
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Why did you leave the steering stabilizer off? That's an important part in preventing DW.
Yes .. The steering stab Contrary to what some believeis nota fix for DW. A steering stab can help control the violent oscillations. So Removing it is key to diagnosing DW.
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I just went through a horrible time with DW. My Jeep has a 3 inch Full Traction lift installed at their factory and Procomp 35x12.5x17 Extreme AT's. It has 35k miles on a 2012, the tires were cupped in the front, had not been rotated properly. I replaced the bolts with Northridge kit. I found the trackbar bushing on the frame side was worn, I replaced it. Thinking I had the problem solved I was quickly made aware that was not the case. I found the upper and lower balljoints on both sides were worn as was the tie rod end on the passenger side. I replaced those and replaced the Procomps with 315/70/17 Duratracs. End of story, it now drives perfectly, zero problems. Hope my experience might help you, DW really sucks, very dangerous to drive.
A friend battled DW until he replaced his Full traction TB.
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The track bar was fine the replaceable rubber bushing was worn, $35 and fixed.
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DW is a product of something moving that you want stationary. Keep checking, control arm bushings, ball joints, etc. It is usually, but not exclusive to the track bar.
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The track bar was fine the replaceable rubber bushing was worn, $35 and fixed.
Just giving you a heads up. I don't know anything about FT, their track bars and if anything changed. The FT track bar in the video was clearly deflecting. Mike replaced it with a TF track bar which cured the DW.
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I second for checking the ball joints. My DW was due to blown ball joints and all else was good. My SS needed to be replaced after the DW but wasn't the cause. Happened at 30K miles so don't count it out if you're still low on miles. No problems since.
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I'm lost, I have had two different professionals from two different shops look at my jeep, and I have done plan mans check list twice and still cannot find what is causing the DW. Everything is well within spec, nothing is shaking or clanking. I'm about to trade it off.
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I'm lost, I have had two different professionals from two different shops look at my jeep, and I have done plan mans check list twice and still cannot find what is causing the DW. Everything is well within spec, nothing is shaking or clanking. I'm about to trade it off.
What's "looking" are they physically checking things ?

If I was at wits end with DW but couldn't track the cause. I would beef up the track bar mounts, replace the factory bolts with shouldered 9/16 grade 8 bolts. If that doesn't work .. I would install a Beefier track bar.

Btw did you check the steering box itself for play in the sector shaft/splines ?
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If I was at wits end with DW but couldn't track the cause. I would beef up the track bar mounts, replace the factory bolts with shouldered 9/16 grade 8 bolts. If that doesn't work .. I would install a Beefier track bar.
For the couple hundred bucks I would do all of that if I even once had experienced DW. The track bar bushings could be weak and without replacing them you might not be able to see it.
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You mentioned Firestone. Who was the other shop? Are they a shop that specializes in Jeeps (and not 4 Wheel Parts either)? That is the kind of shop you need.
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Did not check the steering box, will Google that. Ramco is the second shop. Where I live, we don't have a 4x4 speciality shop.
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Did not check the steering box, will Google that. Ramco is the second shop. Where I live, we don't have a 4x4 speciality shop.
I suppose moving is out of the question?
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I also went through diagnosis issues. My local dealers body shop had installed AEV Geometry Brackets and High Steering Kit, days after the installation I experienced my first bout with DW. The shop took it in to check if something may have come loose etc they rebalanced my original tires and torqued everything they had touched, no success and it was getting more and more frequent. They took it back in and spent 10 hours checking, switching tires and wheels and installed the Northridge bolt kit. I picked it up and it felt great, thinking everything was fine, we headed off for the weekend, hit a small bump on the freeway entrance and DW more intense than before and repeated episodes within 2 miles. Turned around and returned home. I took it to an independent shop that had done other work for me, the owner is really into suspension design and building, in 5 minutes he said I needed ball joints upper and lower on both sides, tie rod end on the right side and the track bar bushing on the frame side. He replaced the track bar bushing and I returned it to the dealer for the remaining work. I put the owner of the dealership on the phone with Steve, the owner of Full Traction Suspension, and he supported the diagnosis from the independent shop. He followed the work through the shop and called me when completed. I had purchased the factory lifetime warranty from him the day my original warranty was to expire. The end of the day $35 for track bar bushing and $100 for my deductible.

Moral of the story, the suspension guys, my independent shop and Steve from Full Traction, nailed it in short order. And thank you God for a warranty!!
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I also went through diagnosis issues. My local dealers body shop had installed AEV Geometry Brackets and High Steering Kit, days after the installation I experienced my first bout with DW. The shop took it in to check if something may have come loose etc they rebalanced my original tires and torqued everything they had touched, no success and it was getting more and more frequent. They took it back in and spent 10 hours checking, switching tires and wheels and installed the Northridge bolt kit. I picked it up and it felt great, thinking everything was fine, we headed off for the weekend, hit a small bump on the freeway entrance and DW more intense than before and repeated episodes within 2 miles. Turned around and returned home. I took it to an independent shop that had done other work for me, the owner is really into suspension design and building, in 5 minutes he said I needed ball joints upper and lower on both sides, tie rod end on the right side and the track bar bushing on the frame side. He replaced the track bar bushing and I returned it to the dealer for the remaining work. I put the owner of the dealership on the phone with Steve, the owner of Full Traction Suspension, and he supported the diagnosis from the independent shop. He followed the work through the shop and called me when completed. I had purchased the factory lifetime warranty from him the day my original warranty was to expire. The end of the day $35 for track bar bushing and $100 for my deductible. Moral of the story, the suspension guys, my independent shop and Steve from Full Traction, nailed it in short order. And thank you God for a warranty!!
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Still no luck so time to start guessing, ordered a new track bar, replaced the drag link and steering stabilizer. Getting close to going insane!
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Well, replaced the factory track bar with a Rubicon Express adjustable, replaced the Drag link because it flexed a little, added cam bolts to the lower control arms and corrected the caster angle, replaced the steering dampener.

Still Have death wobble.
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At what speed are you getting dw?
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If u lifted a jeep, u need adjustable track bars front and back to center the axles. Along with that, u want the front track bar to be as parallel to the drag link as possible. If not u will get very bad bump steer and death wobble on different bumps in the road. To correct this, add a track bar bracket to the front axle end. Too many people modify one thing without knowing how something else is affected.
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What's "looking" are they physically checking things ?



Btw did you check the steering box itself for play in the sector shaft/splines ?




OP.......have you done this, as Ken suggested? This could very well be your problem! If your steering sector shaft is sloppy where it comes out of the sector, bearings are replaceable! This is easily missed.
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I wasn't to the DW point yet but the rig wondered on the highway and you always have to adjust the steering wheel. 5K miles and Mopar Ball joints and tie rod ends were all shot. My shop said they saw one rig that had 300 miles and all stock and there were shot. 3 out of 4 of my ball joints had zero resistance. I replaced everything with MOOG. 1600 later the rig runs and tracks straight like it should. I had the DW on my 2500 ram diesel. Same stuff was all bad but replaced by my dealer under warranty. That rig had 70K on it and had been running 35's since new. To be shot at 5k is a joke.
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Why did you leave the steering stabilizer off? That's an important part in preventing DW.
Fix the steering so it drives right without the stabilizer....THEN install a good stabilizer, and you will know that things are right. Not just covered up!
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Hello all, I am having a horrible time diagnosing DW. It was at Firestone shop for 4 days before they gave up. Then I did the walk through check list, everything is tight. Nothing had play and nothing clunked. took everything off, looked for oval holes, replaced factory bolts with G8 shoulder bolts. AllTorqued all to spec. Left the steering stabilizer off and took it for a drive, no problems until I hit a rumble strip, bam, then back in town, hit a bump and bam. Went back checked all torque bolts and all was good. It's now been over a week now.
Shoulder bolts? Does the shoulder on the bolt keep the axle bracket from clamping the track bar? My holes are not damaged but are a bit big for the stock bolts so I took it about 10lb ft above spec. and graduated to bump steer for the winter.

I will go to high steer in the spring because it replaces the axle bracket and decreases the angles. At that point I will check out ball joints and tie rod ends.

Hang in there, you will figure it out...
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Shoulder bolts? Does the shoulder on the bolt keep the axle bracket from clamping the track bar? My holes are not damaged but are a bit big for the stock bolts so I took it about 10lb ft above spec. and graduated to bump steer for the winter. I will go to high steer in the spring because it replaces the axle bracket and decreases the angles. At that point I will check out ball joints and tie rod ends. Hang in there, you will figure it out...
No, the shoulder isn't the full width of the bushing. But going to the 9/16 diameter bolt is actually a big improvement for fit in the frame holes and the bushings.

I just bought a pair of 9/16-18 x 3" grade 8 bolts washers and lock nuts for my track bar yesterday and it cost me $4. A worthwhile investment.
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No, the shoulder isn't the full width of the bushing. But going to the 9/16 diameter bolt is actually a big improvement for fit in the frame holes and the bushings.

I just bought a pair of 9/16-18 x 3" grade 8 bolts washers and lock nuts for my track bar yesterday and it cost me $4. A worthwhile investment.
I have the same rubicon express track bar and found the stock bold to be an exact fit. for 9/16 he would need a different bushing in the track bar.
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So it's been months but it is finally fixed. The adjustable track bar from Rubicon Express just about had it fixed, but still had DW hit here and there. Replaced the lower control arms with Rubicon Express and all good. In fact I put the stock track bar back on and still no wobble. The track bare will go back on once it's hime joint is repaired. I have to say this was a mess and if it wasn't for Todd Landwehr and Backroads Off-Road Accessories in Waukomis OK, I would be driving and soccer mom van right now.
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Fix the steering so it drives right without the stabilizer....THEN install a good stabilizer, and you will know that things are right. Not just covered up!
Nice theory, but I'm afraid you missed the point. Stabalizers don't just cover up problems. That's why Mercedes, Ram, Volkswagon and Jeep, to name a few, put stabilizers on brand new vehicles. Not because their steering system have built in problems, but because dampers prevent wobble in even new systems. Dampers are an important part of the picture.

DW can happen when everything is tight if there is a jarring pot hole hit at the right speed. As in when the rotational frequency equals the oscillation frequency of the wheel. It is also set off by tire imbalance, causing a left right left right motion in the wheels when the heavy spot is off center. These forces overwhelm the system and need to be damped out.

Loose components, like ball joints, tie rod ends and track bars, don't "cause" DW, but they allow a wobble to get out of control easier than a tight system does.

Jeeps have relatively heavy, large and often wide tires that are controlled by a fairly flexible linkage system. Often these tires are out of balance, offset too far and are running with too little caster. This system must have good damping. All components must be tight and the tires MUST be correctly balanced.

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