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Old 02-10-2014, 06:14 PM
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Help with lower comtrol arm axle bolt hole line up!

So I decided 3 days before I leave for TAD orders for 4 months, and I had a free afternoon, to go ahead and upgrade my bolts with the synergy kit I got a month or so ago.

Well after taking out the lower control arm bolt at the axle, I now can't get the holes to line up to put the new bolt in. I tried flexing suspension with the tire off and I can't get it. I can't get the axle to push far enough back to line up. I have some PB blaster on the adjuster right now to hopefully crank it loose and line the holes up as a last resort then get an alignment again.

Any other ideas? I'm feeling pretty stupid right now.

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Maybe a ratchet strap? It may need to rotate a bit as well as being pushed.

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I always use the biggest pry bar I can find. last time I used one of the poles that road construction workers break up concrete with. if you can get it close slide a tapered punch into the hole from the back and wiggle it making sure to not mar the inside of the joint.
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Mount the tire back on it. It is the best leverage for tweaking the axle. Once on the ground, grab the tire and rotate it.

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Put a floor jack under the differential pinion or lower shock mount to rotate the axle.
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I think tomorrow I'll give the ratchet straps a shot with the jack under the pumpkin.

Thanks for the help guys!
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If you put the tire back on you can then use the ratchet strap to align everything. The tire is even easier than a jack under the differential.
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So ratchet strap on axle to maybe the rock sliders? Or any other point better?
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I like using the transmission skid bar. If you loop the strap around the axle then around the skid and then connect it to itself it gives you a lot of options.
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I like it! With the tires on, it should be able to pull it back? So out of gear, but E-Brake on correct?

This forum rocks btw!

Too tired tonight to go out and give it a try. Took off and put back on my 35" tire too many times today!
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You shouldn't even need to take it out of gear since the tire will move enough.

The forum is definitely a great wealth of knowledge and people are always willing to help.
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Mount the tire back on it. It is the best leverage for tweaking the axle. Once on the ground, grab the tire and rotate it. Bob K.
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Push/pull tire. Use a tire chuck to hold tire where you want it insert bolt. Never used a ratchet strap
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I'll give the manual movement a try before getting out the ratchet strap. I feel like I tried that but couldn't get it to budge much.
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The front with the weight of the diff will want to rotate down and forward a bit. The jack under pinion doesn't always work. Simply pushing the tire from the front and holding it with a chuck is enough to line up your holes.
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I felt defeated trying to move the tire by hand. Moved a little, but not enough. Ratchet strap saved my life though. Easy day!

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I felt defeated trying to move the tire by hand. Moved a little, but not enough. Ratchet strap saved my life though. Easy day! Thanks!
Hmm

Well as long as you got it done
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I had the same problem when i installed the AEV 2.5 with Geo correction bracket, My RH control arm and front track bar didn't line up. i used ratchet strap at both locations and worked like charm. Good Luck!!
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Hmm Well as long as you got it done
I'll be honest. I'm a little worried of how far it was off. Like the alignment shop did a shitty job or something. I measured all control arms to spec length from metalcloak when I installed it. It does look like my left lower control arm is shorter than my right from visual inspection.

I might head back to the alignment shop to just get a print out and post it. I have seen the how to on here, but for some reason doing an alignment scares me a little.
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I was to lazy to crawl out from under the Jeep and get a strap so I just man handled the axle housing pulling it back until the hole lined up. Tires were on the ground.
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I was to lazy to crawl out from under the Jeep and get a strap so I just man handled the axle housing pulling it back until the hole lined up. Tires were on the ground.
I had full weight into the tire with my girlfriend trying to push bolt through. I couldn't move it enough. That is why I'm starting to worry that maybe that arm is too short?
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I usually place a wheel chock firm in front of the tire, and drive the jeep forward into the chock. Easy to move the axle too much, but generally takes only a minute to set and correct.
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I am worried about alignment issues myself. Today I got my new lower CA's and track bar in. I just had to have the ProComp four inch lift that did not come with these parts. What a mistake. I noticed KJEEPER10's link for caster and pinion angles etc. It looks like rocket science to me. By having the four inch lift me coil springs are bowed and leaning to one side due to the stock track bar. When looking at the side of my Jeep my stock control arms have the front wheels slightly off center under the fender. By not having a reference point to preset my lengths on CA's where do I start? I plan on starting with my track bar to get left to right center. Is there a measurement chart somewhere?
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I'll be honest. I'm a little worried of how far it was off. Like the alignment shop did a shitty job or something. I measured all control arms to spec length from metalcloak when I installed it. It does look like my left lower control arm is shorter than my right from visual inspection. I might head back to the alignment shop to just get a print out and post it. I have seen the how to on here, but for some reason doing an alignment scares me a little.
Control arms won't always be the same length. There's going to be variances in factory tolerances. Typically lowers are installed with the tires centered in the well. One set of uppers to hold pinion/caster angle. The other bolted up so there's no preload on the bushing.

If we are just talking front lowers. I've seen people run the passenger side a little longer to combat pull or road crown. I personally would not do it.
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I am worried about alignment issues myself. Today I got my new lower CA's and track bar in. I just had to have the ProComp four inch lift that did not come with these parts. What a mistake. I noticed KJEEPER10's link for caster and pinion angles etc. It looks like rocket science to me. By having the four inch lift me coil springs are bowed and leaning to one side due to the stock track bar. When looking at the side of my Jeep my stock control arms have the front wheels slightly off center under the fender. By not having a reference point to preset my lengths on CA's where do I start? I plan on starting with my track bar to get left to right center. Is there a measurement chart somewhere?
With only front lowers 23 1/8 is a good starting point. Set them to the same length, install and take measurements. I highly advise a front adjustable track bar at 4" of lift.
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With only front lowers 23 1/8 is a good starting point. Set them to the same length, install and take measurements. I highly advise a front adjustable track bar at 4" of lift.

Do you measure the control arms from center of bolt hole to bolt hole? Yes I have a ajustable track bar to install as well
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Do you measure the control arms from center of bolt hole to bolt hole? Yes I have a ajustable track bar to install as well
Yep. I find it easy to insert bolts into the holes. Measure from bolt to bolt and minus whatever a bolt head measures (1/2 on each side)
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Sorry for high jacking your thread. I felt we have some of the same questions. This is some serious stuff here. I experienced the death wobble after installing my lift. Hopefully people will read the threads and links posted instead of doing things bassackwards like I did. Amazing how a worn out track bar bolt can cause serious death wobble. Thanks again for the Tech help guys.
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When I needed to pull my axle back to line up the holes I put a wheel chock in front of the tire and drove into it. Took several tries but got it where I needed it.
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When I needed to pull my axle back to line up the holes I put a wheel chock in front of the tire and drove into it. Took several tries but got it where I needed it.
Same posted above some. Good idea.
For the track bar guys. Have someone turn the steering wheel and it will shift the body.
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Sorry for high jacking your thread. I felt we have some of the same questions. This is some serious stuff here. I experienced the death wobble after installing my lift. Hopefully people will read the threads and links posted instead of doing things bassackwards like I did. Amazing how a worn out track bar bolt can cause serious death wobble. Thanks again for the Tech help guys.
Worn holes is the #1 cause of DW. That is why removing the track bar and visualizing the holes is so important. Even if the bolt is torqued to spec doing the steering test. With no serious load it's almost impossible to tell,

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