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Old 11-30-2015, 07:16 PM
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HID Headlight Bulbs

As many of you know, stock jeep headlights are horrible. I do a lot of night driving and live in a wooded area and need more light. My question is what do I need to do to correctly run HIDs? Im not very experienced with electric work, can I just get some HID bulbs and plug and play or do I have to get other stuff?I will eventually get new led headlights when I can afford them so im looking for a cheap and effective way to improve my lighting in the meantime. Im sure theres other threads about this topic but I couldn't find a direct answer. Thanks!

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Your can't legally do hids bulbs in the stock housing. It is not only dangerous but disrespectful. In my previous vehicle I had hids in the stock housing and got flashed all the time. Yeah I was that asshole that didn't know any better or didn't care. Don't know which one but go legal for your safety and others.

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This theory has gone way off, HID's can be legal in stock housings even if its a REFLECTIVE housing. They make HID's for reflective housings, I've seen stock cars with it also. The unsafe bit is glare, lights goes around the shield due to the ARC in an HID being in a different spot then the stock filament. It can be done legally and safely and everyone will still flash at you, its the lift putting the headlights higher and joe bob off road installing your kit is an idiot. OP you will need a HID kit and be sure it's Bi-xenon so you don't fail inspection. If using stock housings be sure to buy HID's specifically for reflective housings or plan on buying a projector assembly. In new york i would advise against LED's because they don't create heat....snow ice etc you get it. Best of luck.
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This theory has gone way off, HID's can be legal in stock housings even if its a REFLECTIVE housing. They make HID's for reflective housings, I've seen stock cars with it also. The unsafe bit is glare, lights goes around the shield due to the ARC in an HID being in a different spot then the stock filament. It can be done legally and safely and everyone will still flash at you, its the lift putting the headlights higher and joe bob off road installing your kit is an idiot. OP you will need a HID kit and be sure it's Bi-xenon so you don't fail inspection. If using stock housings be sure to buy HID's specifically for reflective housings or plan on buying a projector assembly. In new york i would advise against LED's because they don't create heat....snow ice etc you get it. Best of luck.
Not true.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has concluded that it is impossible to produce HID conversion kits (converting a halogen system to HID) that would be compliant with FMVSS No. 108. FMVSS No. 108 establishes performance requirements for basic lighting equipment (headlamps, tail lamps, side reflectors, etc.).

NHTSA is targeting high intensity discharge (HID) conversion kits for enforcement actions. NHTSA has concluded that it is impossible to produce HID conversion kits (converting a halogen system to HID) that would be compliant with the federal lighting standard, Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 108. The non compliant kits frequently include an HID bulb, ballast, igniter, relay and wiring harness adapters. NHTSA believes this equipment presents a safety risk to the public since the kits can be expected to produce excessive glare to oncoming motorists. In one investigation, NHTSA found that an HID conversion headlamp exceeded the maximum allowable candlepower by over 800 percent.

Halogen equipment uses an electrical current to heat a metal wire coil filament to incandescence, while the HID conversion kit’s light source incorporates a discharge arc to produce light. HIDs require a ballast for operation. Under FMVSS No. 108’s Section S7.7 (Replaceable light sources), each replaceable light source for headlamps must be designed to conform to the dimensions and electrical specifications for the headlamp source it is intended to replace. For example, if an HID kit is marketed as replacing an H1 light source, then it must match the H1’s wire coil filament size and location, the electrical connector size and location, and the ballast design for use with an H1 light source (which is impossible since there is no ballast).

Consequently, companies that are manufacturing HID light sources (e.g., D1S, D1R, D2S, D2R, 9500, etc…) with incandescent light source bases (e.g., H1, H3, H7, H8, H9, H11, H13, HB1, HB2, HB3, HB4, HB5, etc…) should be aware that this light source design would not be a design that conforms to FMVSS No. 108, and could not be imported and sold in the United States without violating Federal law. (The importer is treated as the manufacturer and subject to the same fines and penalties that apply to a domestic manufacturer.)

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So if the arc is in the same spot as the filament it's still not legal because the dimensions are different due to one having a ballast?

My state requires a DOT or SAE tag for it to be legal. HID country sells this. I'm legal and in a halogen housing. Had that verified by city and state troopers.

So again in some cases it is legal. States make vehicle requirements every state is different.
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Slapping a DOT or SAE sticker on does not technically make it legal. And city or state police most likely don't/wouldn't know stock HIDs from a retrofit.

The point being made is that since the vehicle didn't come built with HIDs, adding a retrofit kit violates federal law and is technically illegal.

I'm not going to argue any further.
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Doesn't mean anything in the context of this conversation..

JKs don't come with backup cameras or HIDs from the factory. If the vehicle was built with a 430, 430N or 730N radio, then the sticker applies to the video display in the radio.
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Guess I'll just have to watch out for the federal police, or just avoid country inspections lol
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Checkout https://www.theretrofitsource.com/. They have some great projector kits you might be able to retrofit into the Jeep housing. It is a project, and it is fun.
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Talked with delta lights also and the have an entire assembly DOT approved. Around 400 bucks but good option in the meantime. HID aren't popular with LED getting so much better
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Talked with delta lights also and the have an entire assembly DOT approved. Around 400 bucks but good option in the meantime. HID aren't popular with LED getting so much better
im pretty content with my deltas. i got the quadbar with halo. super bright. got flashed once before i re-aimed them. HID are cheap and very bright, but LED is just better and safer...
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Please don't do an illegal retrofit...

There are so many quality LED options that it doesn't make sense to go any other way.

For example, try these:

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Please don't do an illegal retrofit...

There are so many quality LED options that it doesn't make sense to go any other way.

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Please don't do an illegal retrofit... There are so many quality LED options that it doesn't make sense to go any other way. For example, try these: Raxiom Wrangler Smoked LED Headlights J103746 (07-16 Wrangler JK) - Free Shipping
Only reason I don't go led is because they don't create heat. HID are brighter cheaper and create heat. My deltas will cost 300 for a complete housing and bulbs. And they install all there own halos so every light is setup for it. Bonus lol
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Only reason I don't go led is because they don't create heat. HID are brighter cheaper and create heat. My deltas will cost 300 for a complete housing and bulbs. And they install all there own halos so every light is setup for it. Bonus lol
I don't see a DOT HID on their website that looks like a direct fit, but on page 2 there is a fit for a Hummer H2 that is HID and DOT... Not sure why that lamp couldn't also be in a standard 6024 housing like we use. Maybe they can make it and it's just not cataloged at this time?

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yea they do, its not on there unless you type in the part number apparently, because all they show is the halo ones also. But i told gabriel DOT and HID he said all their DOT headlights can be used with any light source, seems they just put them together as they are ordered. Im willing to bet if you get a housing with proper shielding for the HID's you wouldn't be able to tell if they were legal or not.
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yea they do, its not on there unless you type in the part number apparently, because all they show is the halo ones also. But i told gabriel DOT and HID he said all their DOT headlights can be used with any light source, seems they just put them together as they are ordered. Im willing to bet if you get a housing with proper shielding for the HID's you wouldn't be able to tell if they were legal or not.
so which headlight housing can be used from the Delta site? I have bi-xenon bulbs and just like you, I decided not to go with LED because of the icing issue. I've actually never had anyone flash me because of the glare from my headlights (I guess I have them aimed low enough to avoid this). Would be nice to change the housing since the factory one isn't very good to begin with anyway.
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so which headlight housing can be used from the Delta site? I have bi-xenon bulbs and just like you, I decided not to go with LED because of the icing issue. I've actually never had anyone flash me because of the glare from my headlights (I guess I have them aimed low enough to avoid this). Would be nice to change the housing since the factory one isn't very good to begin with anyway.
I'm going to have to call them back, the part number was 01-1198-hid2 I think but they all show not compliant so I'll have to confirm that. They have DOT approved in the hummer lights so I'm sure they can do it. Having an assembly designed for HID with proper shielding is the best regardless though.
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My mistake guys they have xenons that are dot approved, no hid is approved because it had to be approved separately meaning every vehicle would have to be tested, if it came from the factory with hid's then they can do it but that's few and far. So I guess technically my setup is illegal but the guys who give the tickets didn't seem to think so. Lucky me, I bought the deltas anyways to get proper reflection so it'll be less annoying. Sorry for the mis information.
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The headlamps are DOT they have it etched in the lens.
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YEs, but doesnt make the HID's DOT legal.
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YEs, but doesnt make the HID's DOT legal.
In those instructions it states "DOT compliant, legal in 50 states". I would say he's good to go. Of course assuming the instructions are factual
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No he's right the hid's are not legal, but it says dot on the lens nobody will pry further, also wearing safety glasses while using a cutting tool is a federally mandated law.....anybody wear those carving that turkey this year??? The headlamp and prismatic lens is DOT that's all delta is saying, if someone gives you hell about hid's then they except xenon and halogen bulbs in the same setup just remove the adapter....

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Lol yeah idk. I was told hid retrofits are always illegal unless installed from the factory
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Hey jwalters2522, that adapter ring you have does it enable you to use an H13 bulb in a H4 housing? If so, where did you get it from?
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Yes, that's what it does. The h4 has the metal retainer around it with the 3 tabs, the h13 is thinner and just has the plastic grooves. So the adapter makes the h13 imitate an h4. There are some exceptions so what is it you are trying to do? Are you trying to upgrade the stock headlamps?

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