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Old 12-30-2015, 12:00 PM
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Hub Centric Rings

I just bought a set of 4 dick cepek used wheels. Took them to NTW to have them installed and they mentioned installing Hub Centric Rings. So now I have a few questions.

1. Am I ok driving for a week or so with out the rings. I can order them online and NTB said they would install them. Reading threads about the the Death Wobble are creeping into my head!

2. How can I make sure I get the correct size Hub Centric Ring? My Tires are 285/70r17 116t and the wheels are 17"

3. Do I really need to NTW install them? I don't have an pneumatic impact wrench but I do have an old fashion T style Lug Wrench.

Any thoughts, comments or suggestions are appreciated. Will post pics when done. Thanks!

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I will chime in on #3 and say you don't need air tools for this. You would just want to make sure they are torqued to the correct value...

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Old 12-30-2015, 01:48 PM   #3
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Jeep wheels are lug centric. No need for hub rings at all. I haven't run them ever in my life on anything and never had an issue. So, in other words, you'll be fine without them for a week if you still feel the need to get the rings.
Make sure you retorqued the wheels after the first 50 miles. That is the most important thing.
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Jeep wheels are lug centric. No need for hub rings at all. I haven't run them ever in my life on anything and never had an issue. So, in other words, you'll be fine without them for a week if you still feel the need to get the rings. Make sure you retorqued the wheels after the first 50 miles. That is the most important thing.
jeep wheels are not lug centric. Most after market wheels are. But factory are not. Hub rings are recommended for any wheel. There is a reason for that. The lugs are designed to hold the wheel on. Not support the weight and hold the wheel. I know it has been done for years and works. But for best practice and possible ride, hub rings are the way to go with aftermarket wheels.
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jeep wheels are not lug centric. Most after market wheels are. But factory are not. Hub rings are recommended for any wheel. There is a reason for that. The lugs are designed to hold the wheel on. Not support the weight and hold the wheel. I know it has been done for years and works. But for best practice and possible ride, hub rings are the way to go with aftermarket wheels.
Sorry factory Jeep wheels are both lug (tapered lug nuts) and hub centric. I was referring to aftermarket. Hub centric is specifically for spin on center nut hubs that require all wheels to be centered by the hub as they have no lugs.
This discussion has been had many times.
Most aftermarket wheels can't use rings due to design and if you want to get picky said rings should be replaced with new ones at every rotation as the rings form to the hub and wheel.
Hub centric wheels can be found but they are few and far between.
There is an equation to the fact that with a 35" tire you'd have to be traveling at 120mph for this to even make a differences ..
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Old 04-20-2016, 09:04 AM   #6
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I want to revive this thread because it recently helped me quite a bit.

First, I'm mechanically-inclined and have worked on cars/stuff my entire life. Until a week ago, I had never heard the term: "Hub Centric Rings".

Second, if you're doing aftermarket wheels, I think you should at least be aware of hub centric rings and the possibility that you may need them.

Finally if you're doing aftermarket wheels, be sure to get the appropriate lug nuts. Most aftermarket wheels take tapered lug nuts AND they don't give you as much room to get a socket on. It is best to get something like a "splined" lug nut that takes a special socket. they are smaller in diameter, can be purchased in chrome or black and come in "open" or "closed" end configurations. Save yourself some hassle and buy a set... they're about $20.

On a personal note: I started researching this issue after I replaced the wheels and tires on my Ridgeline. The tire shop said they were balanced, and yet I had a vibration at 40+ mph. I took it to the dealer and they said the wheels were balanced and all of the drive-train components were tight. My service manager did mention that "When he worked in a tire shop that sold wheels, they would always use hub centric rings. I had never heard of that, so I started researching. While researching the issue, I noticed that some on the Wrangler forum had used them with success. For $10 (for a set of 4), it was worth a try. I had a slight vibration on my new wheels and tires as well, but I figured it was just because of the larger tires. Well, add me to the list of "it helped me!" because the vibration is gone. The Jeep feels like it did when it was new and on stock meats again. Smooth through 80 mph +.

Anyway, knowledge is power and sometime it just takes someone pointing out something you didn't know to fix a problem you have just accepted. I'm still waiting on the rings and the CORRECT lug nuts for my Ridgeline, but my Wrangler is even better now than it was.

P.S. Yes, I realize my tire shop sucks... for not telling me about the rings to begin with and for using the stock (WRONG) lug nuts when they installed my aftermarket rims. Even if you don't do your own wrench-turning, knowledge can save your sanity (and your life).
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I encountered this issue on a new F250 in 2001. I swapped the wheels and tires and developed a sudden vibration. I had the tires balanced a couple times then finally figured out that I needed hub rings.

I bought a set of Level 8 Bully Pros for my 2016 JK and Discount Tire included the Hub Rings with the wheels/lugs. No issues to date.

My 2-cents says use hub rings on aftermarket wheels whenever possible. For the price they are cheap insurance.
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There is a simple way to tell whether a wheel is lug or hub centric and it has nothing to do with with the center hole.

Lug centric wheels will use coned lug nuts. Almost every car I have ever owned the wheels are lug centric. The vertical load and clamping load is is handled by the lug nuts and studs. I will expand on this later.

Hub centric wheels use flat lug nuts. This is the type of wheels that on my 1 ton dually had. The vertical load is handled by the hub while the clamping load is handled by the lug nuts and studs.

Now back to the lug centric wheels that appear to be hub centric like the stock wheels on our Jeeps and most new cars today. I like to calls these types of wheel hybrids. Because of the lug design all the load is applied the the nuts and studs, the hub sees nothing unless the lug nuts somehow loosen up. The reason the wheel is designed like this is to speed up assembly at the factory.

If you have ever owned a true hub centric vehicle you would see the difference right away. Hub centric wheels are a pain in the ass to change. Getting the wheel off the hub is not fun even at the best of times.

Now back to the reason it is a good idea to use hub centric rings. It centers the wheel, plain and simple, or at least it gets it there very quickly. You can do it without the ring but you must take you time snugging the lugs up and rotating the tire at the same time. Its always a good idea to do that even with hub rings to insure an exact center fit but in our Jeeps not the same priority as it was in my Vette.
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So, finally got my new wheels installed on Saturday. There is a slight gap between the wheel hub ID and hub OD. I was under the impression that with the tapered lug nuts you don't need the little plastic hubcentric rings. Is my OCD working overtime, or should I go ahead and buy the little plastic rings and have them installed?
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So, finally got my new wheels installed on Saturday. There is a slight gap between the wheel hub ID and hub OD. I was under the impression that with the tapered lug nuts you don't need the little plastic hubcentric rings. Is my OCD working overtime, or should I go ahead and buy the little plastic rings and have them installed?
If you have room by all means get them. When mounting wheels and tires that weigh almost 100 lbs having a rings really helps. But I would still tighten the wheels up by hand to insure the wheel is perfectly centered.
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My Icon Alpha's are hub centric but if I had rims that were not I would get the best rings I could find and install them. When I take all 5 lugs off I still have to pull the rim off.

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