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Old 03-26-2016, 03:54 PM
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Talking I know I'm sorry another lift discussion need opinions

I've already apologized in advance for my ignorance. I've read over 200 threads across different communities and I've now realized I'm more confused than when I started . So for those of you who have the time to give me your opinion on a lift and tire combo I truly appreciate it. I hope if I give you my specific situation and goals, you folks that I have respect for can point me in a direction of sanity. My goals: My 2015 Sahara has about 2500 miles on it. I have installed my own lift , regeared, and drastically modified a 2008 JKU a few years back thanks to all the great advice I received on this forum. My goal for this new JKU is to have a aesthetically pleasing , daily highway driver , that rides and handles as good or better than stock. The only off road time this JKU will see is twice a year on the 4x4 beaches of the OBX. While its a novel thought, I don't have the time for weekend trails. I want 35s and prefer 18" wheels but may go 17 for the price difference. 35s on 3.73 gears will drastically decrease my power and gas mileage on trips I know but I prefer not to re gear at this time and hope with the new engine that it will be manageable for now. I also would like to upgrade the tire carrier so opinions would be great there as well. As far as lifts , I chose last time the TF 2.5 with shocks. This time for on road performance I've been leaning towards AEV 2.5" with geo brackets. Obviously money is always a concern but I'm willing to spend a bit for great ride . As far as tires , last time I went with terra grapplers but I want to see what else you all suggest. Thank you all for taking your time, just looking for a lift that looks and rides good with 35s , tires that do well on the pavement but look and wear good and maybe light as possible , I can manage wheels I think. Also suggestions on any additions to the lift you recommend to improve ride quality or anything I'm missing. I lot has changed since 2011 and I wanted updated opinions. I did read the "most common lift " thread and found it helpful but I'm hoping to get a definite answer for my specific situation.

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Lift sounds good. For tires, what about the new BFG KOIIs? Good all terrain that would be great on your sand.

Go 17" wheels. 18" makes tires look small.

In terms of regearing, the 3.6l is WAY better than the old 3.8l. Regearing is less necessary for 35s. You might find the 3.73s agreeable. 4.10s/4.56 would be better but you know that.

And don't doubt yourself. If you've read that much, you're already empowered to make a decision.

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Lift sounds good. For tires, what about the new BFG KOIIs? Good all terrain that would be great on your sand.

Go 17" wheels. 18" makes tires look small.

In terms of regearing, the 3.6l is WAY better than the old 3.8l. Regearing is less necessary for 35s. You might find the 3.73s agreeable. 4.10s/4.56 would be better but you know that.

And don't doubt yourself. If you've read that much, you're already empowered to make a decision.


Thanks for your reassurance , makes me feel like I'm not crazy . I had not seen the new ko2s . I really like the improved stats and the side wall lug design really looks good too. Thanks for the suggestion I'm definately going to price a 5 pack of those.

I've read many suggestions for lift additions, bump stops , track bars, grade 8 hardware , and so on, wondering if I go with AEV 2.5 and brackets if I should look at anything else to improve the ride quality . That's where I'm hung up with in the lift
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another option for you is look into metocloak springs with fox shocks they ride awesome, im in the process right now in change my system over to metocloack, i regret not doing it sooner bc of how great it rides and handles
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Thanks for your reassurance , makes me feel like I'm not crazy . I had not seen the new ko2s . I really like the improved stats and the side wall lug design really looks good too. Thanks for the suggestion I'm definately going to price a 5 pack of those.

I've read many suggestions for lift additions, bump stops , track bars, grade 8 hardware , and so on, wondering if I go with AEV 2.5 and brackets if I should look at anything else to improve the ride quality . That's where I'm hung up with in the lift
I like my metalcloak lift on the road, handles great at speed and around corners. Not sure if the springs may be a little too firm for a mostly daily driver though if you're looking for a super plush ride, so maybe aev is better for that?

Your lift should come with the bumpstop you need. For the bolt kit, why not get it since you'll be messing with the bolts anyway? More importantly, make sure the bolts are torqued right and check it occasionally.
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Thanks for your reassurance , makes me feel like I'm not crazy . I had not seen the new ko2s . I really like the improved stats and the side wall lug design really looks good too. Thanks for the suggestion I'm definately going to price a 5 pack of those.

I've read many suggestions for lift additions, bump stops , track bars, grade 8 hardware , and so on, wondering if I go with AEV 2.5 and brackets if I should look at anything else to improve the ride quality . That's where I'm hung up with in the lift
I like my metalcloak lift on the road, handles great at speed and around corners. Not sure if the springs may be a little too firm for a mostly daily driver though if you're looking for a super plush ride, so maybe aev is better for that?

Your lift should come with the bumpstop you need. For the bolt kit, why not get it since you'll be messing with the bolts anyway? More importantly, make sure the bolts are torqued right and check it occasionally.
I have never really took a look at the metalcloak lifts. They're springs say "true". Dual rate that maintains factory performance but allows maximum travel. I don't plan to add any large amount of weight except during vacation but stiffness is important to me.

I think I am planning on the upgraded bolt kit for northridge 4x4 , seems like a small price to pay for less likelihood of damage to factory mount holes and less movement.
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I don't think you can go wrong with the AEV kit. They put a lot of engineering into their kit. I took my 2012 JKUR out for the first time today since installing the AEV 2.5” Lift. I installed the lift last weekend with the geometry correction brackets and Teraflex rear Swaybar links. Moved the OEM rear swaybar links to the front. I also installed the Teraflex steering damper relocation kit and a Bilstien steering damper. I'm running the OEM 17s and Federal Couragia 285s the Jeep came with when we bought it. My tires are at 35 PSI. I'm currently running stock bumpers, no winch, and stock spare tire/wheel.

I was impressed with the handling and the ride on the road. I threw it into some corners pretty hard and there was surprisingly little body roll. Before the lift, the ride was overly soft and spongy. Now it feels firm and stable, but not rough or bumpy. It tracks nice and straight at 65mph and feels quite stable especially as compared to before. I need to get it on the highway and check the handling at 80mph but I don't expect it will feel squirrelly at all. The videos of the AEV 350 on the racetrack and running the slalom is what convinced me to go with them in the end. This is my Wife's daily driver and it will spend 99% of its time on the road.

I took it up some rough logging roads in the mountains here and the ride was quiet and smooth. Everytime I hit an obstacle with a tire, I was consistently pleased with how little I felt it in the Jeep. I need to go into the canyon behind my house and get it twisted up on a couple of big rocks to make sure I'm not going to get any driveshaft/exhaust interference with the swaybar disconnected.

Overall I am happy with my decision to go with AEV. I'll go over every bolt again with a torque wrench this weekend and mark them. I was considering an adjustable front track bar, but honestly it handles great.

I opted to reuse my factory Class 10.9 Bolts. The AEV kit uses mostly metric bolts, so I wanted to keep it all consistent. The OEM Class 10.9 are also flange head and they are actually slightly stronger than the grade 8s. If I have trouble with any loosening up I'll add some lock tight. I just re-torqued everything today and nothing had loosened up.

As far as highway friendly tires, I wouldn't recommend the Couragias. I would go the KO2 route. I have the 315s on my Raptor and they are very smooth at highway speeds.
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Honestly, AEV 2.5 with Geo Brackets is hard to beat on road. I would not hesitate to recommend the JKS JSpec 2.5 using the Geo Brackets as well. I have Caster correction with longer Front Lower Control Arms and it drives real nice, I get excited to get in and drive the Jeep daily even though I don't get to offroad it much.

As far as the tires for on road, like everyone says, I would go with something that is a lightweight 35, such as KO2s or Mastercraft Courser MXTs.
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I don't think you can go wrong with the AEV kit. They put a lot of engineering into their kit. I took my 2012 JKUR out for the first time today since installing the AEV 2.5? Lift. I installed the lift last weekend with the geometry correction brackets and Teraflex rear Swaybar links. Moved the OEM rear swaybar links to the front. I also installed the Teraflex steering damper relocation kit and a Bilstien steering damper. I'm running the OEM 17s and Federal Couragia 285s the Jeep came with when we bought it. My tires are at 35 PSI. I'm currently running stock bumpers, no winch, and stock spare tire/wheel.

I was impressed with the handling and the ride on the road. I threw it into some corners pretty hard and there was surprisingly little body roll. Before the lift, the ride was overly soft and spongy. Now it feels firm and stable, but not rough or bumpy. It tracks nice and straight at 65mph and feels quite stable especially as compared to before. I need to get it on the highway and check the handling at 80mph but I don't expect it will feel squirrelly at all. The videos of the AEV 350 on the racetrack and running the slalom is what convinced me to go with them in the end. This is my Wife's daily driver and it will spend 99% of its time on the road.

I took it up some rough logging roads in the mountains here and the ride was quiet and smooth. Everytime I hit an obstacle with a tire, I was consistently pleased with how little I felt it in the Jeep. I need to go into the canyon behind my house and get it twisted up on a couple of big rocks to make sure I'm not going to get any driveshaft/exhaust interference with the swaybar disconnected.

Overall I am happy with my decision to go with AEV. I'll go over every bolt again with a torque wrench this weekend and mark them. I was considering an adjustable front track bar, but honestly it handles great.

I opted to reuse my factory Class 10.9 Bolts. The AEV kit uses mostly metric bolts, so I wanted to keep it all consistent. The OEM Class 10.9 are also flange head and they are actually slightly stronger than the grade 8s. If I have trouble with any loosening up I'll add some lock tight. I just re-torqued everything today and nothing had loosened up.

As far as highway friendly tires, I wouldn't recommend the Couragias. I would go the KO2 route. I have the 315s on my Raptor and they are very smooth at highway speeds.

Thanks for sharing your method and experience . This helps me a lot and I like to hear some of the alternative things you added for the AEV kit. I'm in the same boat on the daily driver for my wife so I need similar functionality and I feel good about the way it handles with your setup . Peace of mind goes a long way. Thanks again
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ok i think i can give some value to this thread since i had a 3.5 AEV sc lift on my jeep when i bought it and am in process of switching over to metalcloak. when i got it i loved it then after taking it offroad a few times and driving it for a few months i started to realize i wanted something more something better out of my ride quality. you want a ride that is "better then stock" well thats a matter of opinion and what your looking for in a ride. while the aev lift is good handling ride as far as body roll and brake dive goes it is not plush ride unless you have a very heavy jeep. i am in the process of switching the kit out to metal cloak, so far i have replaced the springs and the shocks and i love driving my jeep now. it truly drives 1000x better then the aev springs and shocks. much more plush over bumps in the road. it soaks up everything. the aev lift is nice but for what you pay for a full kit 1800 for the sc kit my jeep came with its not worth the money. if you want a quality ride that doesn't jar your teeth out of your head and handles good on highway as well as offroad go with metalcloak. i also switched out my factory crap tracbar and lower contol arm bolts in the process to grade 8 9/16" shouldered hardware (highly recommended) grade 8 bolts have a tensile strength of 150,000 psi. the problem with the factory bolts are they are fully threaded not shouldered and ther 14mm bolts in a 9/16" hole so it ends up causing problems once you add big tires and lift and all the stress that comes with it. You can check out my thread for pics and more info.
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You will be happy with the AEV 2.5". You can buy the grade 8 track bar bolts only from AOR (Allen Off Road) in the "Forum discounts" sections for under $20 bucks IIRC. ALSO 1 thing I don't think you mentioned is a spare tire carrier for the 35" tire, AEV would be a great choice.
It sound like you've done your homework and know what would be best for you. As for tires, it's a personal choice, I love the look of my 35"x12.5"R18 Nitto Trail Grapplers, at $400 each they get pricey but are a little cheaper in the R17 version, something to consider.
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I'm going to commit heresy. TF=MC=AEV=RK. They are all great lifts in the 2.5 inch flavor. I chose TF because of price and completeness, not to mention their axle side rear track bar bracket. AEV is known for on road performance. RK and MC are considered better off road lifts. TF is a nice compromise. You can add geo brackets to any of them to improve handling and steering and all will ride/handle better than stock.

I wouldn't overthink it for a DD that rarely goes off road. Pick your flavor and go for it.

As for tires and wheels, I'll commit further heresy. Try 33's instead of 35's. The 3.73's supposedly aren't horrible with 35's but they'd be better with 33's. You'll save off a few pounds at each corner too. You can find wheels in the 23 or 24 pound range. I run Black Rock 909s but MB TKO's and Level 8 Trackers are pretty light too, iirc. For tires. You won't find a quality tire that weighs less than Duratracs. They are great on road. The 33 is about 53 pounds, the 35 is only 60 pounds. Many tires are boat anchors, weighing 75 pounds more in the 35 inch variety. Not all but many. Light wheel/tire = more power and less stress on your suspension.

Here's mine on 33's. I get 35 inch envy now and then but I'm very happy with the look, ride and power, though I have 4.10's.

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I'm going to commit heresy. TF=MC=AEV=RK. They are all great lifts in the 2.5 inch flavor. I chose TF because of price and completeness, not to mention their axle side rear track bar bracket. AEV is known for on road performance. RK and MC are considered better off road lifts. TF is a nice compromise. You can add geo brackets to any of them to improve handling and steering and all will ride/handle better than stock.

I wouldn't overthink it for a DD that rarely goes off road. Pick your flavor and go for it.

As for tires and wheels, I'll commit further heresy. Try 33's instead of 35's. The 3.73's supposedly aren't horrible with 35's but they'd be better with 33's. You'll save off a few pounds at each corner too. You can find wheels in the 23 or 24 pound range. I run Black Rock 909s but MB TKO's and Level 8 Trackers are pretty light too, iirc. For tires. You won't find a quality tire that weighs less than Duratracs. They are great on road. The 33 is about 53 pounds, the 35 is only 60 pounds. Many tires are boat anchors, weighing 75 pounds more in the 35 inch variety. Not all but many. Light wheel/tire = more power and less stress on your suspension.

Here's mine on 33's. I get 35 inch envy now and then but I'm very happy with the look, ride and power, though I have 4.10's.

Great pic . Love that look. Thanks for all your advice . Nice to have a few different perspectives. I over thought this stuff for two months. I have been looking at the metalcloak lifts but I feel like I get lost on their website and don't know what I'm shooting for. That's why I went with tetaflex the first jeep cause it was just too easy and had great support. I've been bouncing back and forth on 33 vs 35 for ever , I love the look of the 35s. If and when the new wranglers come out I think I plan to buy one for myself and do it with 37s. I'm 6'6" and I've always loved a taller vehicle . This one though is dd and a family car .
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Great pic . Love that look. Thanks for all your advice . Nice to have a few different perspectives. I over thought this stuff for two months. I have been looking at the metalcloak lifts but I feel like I get lost on their website and don't know what I'm shooting for. That's why I went with tetaflex the first jeep cause it was just too easy and had great support. I've been bouncing back and forth on 33 vs 35 for ever , I love the look of the 35s. If and when the new wranglers come out I think I plan to buy one for myself and do it with 37s. I'm 6'6" and I've always loved a taller vehicle . This one though is dd and a family car .
I'm torn between keeping my 33s and going to 35s myself. I really like the look and off road ability of the 35s, but I live at 7300ft so the Jeep is already about 25% less powerful than one at sea level and feels sluggish with the 33s. I'm also concerned about wearing out the ball joints. I know if I go 35s, I'll want gears, and then for piece of mind, a real Dana 44 in the front. Plus I'll have to add a tire carrier and replace the stock wheels for backspacing. It never ends. Thats how my 97 TJ turned into a trailer queen with 37s and Dana 60s.
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ok i think i can give some value to this thread since i had a 3.5 AEV sc lift on my jeep when i bought it and am in process of switching over to metalcloak. when i got it i loved it then after taking it offroad a few times and driving it for a few months i started to realize i wanted something more something better out of my ride quality. you want a ride that is "better then stock" well thats a matter of opinion and what your looking for in a ride. while the aev lift is good handling ride as far as body roll and brake dive goes it is not plush ride unless you have a very heavy jeep. i am in the process of switching the kit out to metal cloak, so far i have replaced the springs and the shocks and i love driving my jeep now. it truly drives 1000x better then the aev springs and shocks. much more plush over bumps in the road. it soaks up everything. the aev lift is nice but for what you pay for a full kit 1800 for the sc kit my jeep came with its not worth the money. if you want a quality ride that doesn't jar your teeth out of your head and handles good on highway as well as offroad go with metalcloak. i also switched out my factory crap tracbar and lower contol arm bolts in the process to grade 8 9/16" shouldered hardware (highly recommended) grade 8 bolts have a tensile strength of 150,000 psi. the problem with the factory bolts are they are fully threaded not shouldered and ther 14mm bolts in a 9/16" hole so it ends up causing problems once you add big tires and lift and all the stress that comes with it. You can check out my thread for pics and more info.

I finally finished reading your thread and there's a ton of useful info there and rabbit trails of great ideas. You've got me researching further into metalcloak , on there site right now they have the 2.5" entry lift with lower adj arms for $899. I feel like I'd rather do geo brackets . Either way if I were to just go with their true dual rate springs, what would you suggest to complete the rest of the kit if I were to cherry pick from say AEV or TF to accompany the MC springs. I'm really interested in the claims they make about their springs and their on and off road comfort and performance . Also everything I read about the AEV is that it's stuff unless you are heavy.
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I finally finished reading your thread and there's a ton of useful info there and rabbit trails of great ideas. You've got me researching further into metalcloak , on there site right now they have the 2.5" entry lift with lower adj arms for $899. I feel like I'd rather do geo brackets . Either way if I were to just go with their true dual rate springs, what would you suggest to complete the rest of the kit if I were to cherry pick from say AEV or TF to accompany the MC springs. I'm really interested in the claims they make about their springs and their on and off road comfort and performance . Also everything I read about the AEV is that it's stuff unless you are heavy.
well i can tell you the ride is amazing with the mc springs and the fox shocks. here is the link to there kit with geo brackets.
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it is an entry level kit you can build on over time if you want too. for shocks i obviously favor the fox because i have them and together the ride is great and just what i wanted. but ome or there rocksport shocks are fine as well.
personally i would go with a little more complete kit to start that comes with tracbar for front and bracket for the rear and includes shocks. great price .
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