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Old 12-02-2015, 06:01 AM
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Metalcloak Rear Lower Arms -- How Short Do They Go?

Anyone know if they will adjust in to be about as short as stock length, if desired?

I ordered just the rear lowers as I was going to make them about 1-2 turns longer than stock to point the rear pinion down just a hair, also moving the tire back just a hair. When they called me yesterday, they basically said that they were designed to push the rear axle way back and that upper arms are really needed as well when installing the lowers.

I was really only going to make them a tiny bit longer than stock, with no need yet for the uppers if I can do that. Can I do this or should I cancel the order until I can do uppers at the same time? I was going to wait until at least spring to do the uppers. Amex card is real tight these next 2 billing cycles with Christmas on the way and I wouldn't mind freeing up the $300 if they are just going to sit until spring anyway.

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2 or 4 door ?

4 door you might be able to cheat the axle back a little. MC is correct in saying you need uppers to do both. As far as i know the MC arms will adjust back to stock.

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2 or 4 door ?

4 door you might be able to cheat the axle back a little. MC is correct in saying you need uppers to do both. As far as i know the MC arms will adjust back to stock.
4 door.

As long as they will adjust back to stock length + maybe 1 turn, I'll be good with them for now.

MC made it sound like the lowers were way longer than stock and uppers would really be needed just to even think about running the lowers.
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4 door. As long as they will adjust back to stock length + maybe 1 turn, I'll be good with them for now.
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MC should be able to tell you what the shortest length center eye to center eye is.

I have been thinking of doing something similar just a bit longer on the lowers to level the coil perches a bit. Synergy makes some fixed longer arms but I think they might be too long not sure tho. TF has new adj that look pretty nice.
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MC should be able to tell you what the shortest length center eye to center eye is.

I have been thinking of doing something similar just a bit longer on the lowers to level the coil perches a bit. Synergy makes some fixed longer arms but I think they might be too long not sure tho. TF has new adj that look pretty nice.
I just figured someone here would know more quickly, but I just now sent them an email and will post the answer here that I get back from them.
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MC should be able to tell you what the shortest length center eye to center eye is. I have been thinking of doing something similar just a bit longer on the lowers to level the coil perches a bit. Synergy makes some fixed longer arms but I think they might be too long not sure tho. TF has new adj that look pretty nice.
If you dont do uppers the pinion rotates down.
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If you dont do uppers the pinion rotates down.
it seems like if pinion rotated down the perches would be more level. I might be looking at it wrong tho. it seems like if you do longer lowers and shorter uppers coil perch stays the same. I might be just having a brain fart. I was thinking on 4 door you could get away with a little drop in pinion. Maybe not tho.
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it seems like if pinion rotated down the perches would be more level. I might be looking at it wrong tho. it seems like if you do longer lowers and shorter uppers coil perch stays the same. I might be just having a brain fart. I was thinking on 4 door you could get away with a little drop in pinion. Maybe not tho.
No you are right, Lift raises the pinion. 2 doors need more angle because of the shorter DS.
So you might be ok with a slightly longer lower.
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Got their reply. They say they will not go down to stock length and that uppers and lowers must go in as a set. Since I got the shipping notice today and it's apparently too late to cancel I will measure myself when they get here and post back. Despite me asking the actual measurments, they did not give me them.
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Got their reply. They say they will not go down to stock length and that uppers and lowers must go in as a set. Since I got the shipping notice today and it's apparently too late to cancel I will measure myself when they get here and post back. Despite me asking the actual measurments, they did not give me them.
According to this they do?
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According to this they do?
Yeah I saw that. We will see for sure in about a week or so. I can't imagine that they can't get down there real close to stock. Based on their install instructions with more errors than I can count I am much more confident in their products than the info they give out about them.

I love the company, but it just looks like they need some polishing on their info. Maybe they used to make them shorter and that has changed. Maybe just the opposite. Who knows until I get them in my hands. Will post back.
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Fully turned in all the way they go about 19 3/8", definitely less than 19.5". Stocks are 19.75", right? Can't measure those right now...in clean clothes and on a conference call.
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Good to hear. Then the info they gave me not once but twice was wrong. Plain and simple. If the rears go to stock and even shorter, then you absolutely don't need to do all 4 at one time. Just don't think that you can push the rear axle back much at all, if any, without doing all 4. I am going to shoot for something like stock plus one turn out, maybe 2 since the rear pinion should probably come down a little anyway on mine.
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Good to hear. Then the info they gave me not once but twice was wrong. Plain and simple. If the rears go to stock and even shorter, then you absolutely don't need to do all 4 at one time. Just don't think that you can push the rear axle back much at all, if any, without doing all 4. I am going to shoot for something like stock plus one turn out, maybe 2 since the rear pinion should probably come down a little anyway on mine.
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As always, better info here than from the manufacturer. Thanks guys.
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As always, better info here than from the manufacturer. Thanks guys.
Haha not sure why they are going you bad info.
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They are in. I made them maybe 2 turns out from stock. They work perfect. No idea how or why anyone could claim otherwise.
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So they will go as short as stock stock length then? I would really like to fix a few of the things I did being in a rush a few months ago. Buying fixed length aftermarket control arms are definitely against my religion but being in a hurry I will now pay. I prefer the Duroflex bushings on every adjustable control arm but the lower fronts and those will always be JJ's just as my TJ's have been.
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Yes they will go to stock length and then they will even go shorter than that if you desire.
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Yes they will go to stock length and then they will even go shorter than that if you desire.
Still baffles me they say otherwise.
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Still baffles me they say otherwise.
Me too man.
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So they will go as short as stock stock length then? I would really like to fix a few of the things I did being in a rush a few months ago. Buying fixed length aftermarket control arms are definitely against my religion but being in a hurry I will now pay. I prefer the Duroflex bushings on every adjustable control arm but the lower fronts and those will always be JJ's just as my TJ's have been.
Agree i would prefer a more ridged joint up front. At min the front lowers.

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