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Old 01-10-2017, 11:16 AM   #1951
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First time posting on the forum in a long time, have had TJ Wranglers for years but just picked up a 2017 JKU. Been lurking here and on other forums for awhile doing a ton of research but still can't decide what direction I want to go with my lift. My question is if I go with this setup but add the Teraflex .5" coil spacers in front and rear, how much will it affect my geometry? I intend to add a JKS adjustable front track bar and possibly their longer fixed lower CAs. Will this be sufficient for the front? And for the rear will that .5" spacer throw things off enough to where I should consider adding a trackbar or arms? Thanks in advance.
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Quick question. Been running the TF 2.5" kit w/Rancho 5000x and TF monster front trackbar for a few months now and I left the Rancho Geo bracket off and am questioning it now. A lot of my issue is probably my KO2 35's (sitting at 27psi), but will the Geo Brackets help with the rougher ride? When I hit a bump/pothole/etc, I feel it and my Jeep goes side-to-side like its dancing (and a much need ab-workout).

Front caster was 3.2/3.3 when I initially did my lift back at the end of September.
The brackets should help some due to the geometry of the front suspension. they will flatten out the LCAs some and help with the ride. The additional caster will help with the tracking and return to center after making a turn.

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Quick question. Been running the TF 2.5" kit w/Rancho 5000x and TF monster front trackbar for a few months now and I left the Rancho Geo bracket off and am questioning it now. A lot of my issue is probably my KO2 35's (sitting at 27psi), but will the Geo Brackets help with the rougher ride? When I hit a bump/pothole/etc, I feel it and my Jeep goes side-to-side like its dancing (and a much need ab-workout).

Front caster was 3.2/3.3 when I initially did my lift back at the end of September.
Am by no means an expert, but...
Your handling is likely caster related. I have the kit freshly installed on 34" tires, and get no dancing. I am running the Rancho Geo brackets in the 2nd hole. Had alignment checked yesterday and my caster is at 6°/6.2°. Will I keep that caster? Still on the fence. I'll wait for some other experts - but wanted you to know that mine behaves differently with that difference.

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Old 01-10-2017, 11:54 AM   #1953
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Am by no means an expert, but...
Your handling is likely caster related. I have the kit freshly installed on 34" tires, and get no dancing. I am running the Rancho Geo brackets in the 2nd hole. Had alignment checked yesterday and my caster is at 6°/6.2°. Will I keep that caster? Still on the fence. I'll wait for some other experts - but wanted you to know that mine behaves differently with that difference.
That is a pretty high caster number. I would be concern about front DS life. Kjeeper10 did a great thread here.
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Am by no means an expert, but...
Your handling is likely caster related. I have the kit freshly installed on 34" tires, and get no dancing. I am running the Rancho Geo brackets in the 2nd hole. Had alignment checked yesterday and my caster is at 6°/6.2°. Will I keep that caster? Still on the fence. I'll wait for some other experts - but wanted you to know that mine behaves differently with that difference.
Thanks. Thats exactly what I was thinking. At first I was thinking it was due to the tires and going from stockers to E-rated 35x12.5's and a lift at the same time makes a big difference. But after reading multiple people saying their JK/JKU rides great, I've been considering installing them to see if thats what my issue is. Hell, I've already paid for them. They're in my garage, I've just been lazy.

Also sounds like my caster is a bit low. I'm thinking it should be in the 4-5 range?
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4-5 is what i am going to shoot for - the spec on the ExpressAlign shows 3.2-5.2
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Would adding a 1" coil spacer in the rear solve the issue of the rear axle centering since you would effectively have 3" lift in the rear?

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Because of the way the factory mount attaches to the axle, the aftermarket mount has a minimum increase of about 3" as you noted. It can't be built with less... You have to have clearance for the joint on the track bar. I don't think the new bracket versus the old bracket is really any different. It's simply a problem with 2.5" lifts using the axle side bracket.

I would keep the bracket since you already have it and it has geometry correction (roll center) designed in to it and add the adjustable rear track bar.

It's just my opinion, but at 2.5" of lift I think the adjustable track bar without any bracket is just fine.
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Potentially stupid question, but to install just the Rancho Geo Brackets, I can do that with the Jeep on the ground, right? Or do I need to remove the coils and back off a bit to get these lined up correctly?
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Potentially stupid question, but to install just the Rancho Geo Brackets, I can do that with the Jeep on the ground, right? Or do I need to remove the coils and back off a bit to get these lined up correctly?
Not a stupid question at all - yes, you can do it on the ground if it's the only thing you are doing.
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Not a stupid question at all - yes, you can do it on the ground if it's the only thing you are doing.
Thanks. Couldn't find my instructions and was about to look them up. Only other thing i may add are some disconnects. Anyone recommend some good disconnects for this setup?
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running the 2.5 TF coil lift with rancho RS5000x shocks, front adjustable track bar and CORE 4x4 FLCA with the camber set to 0 degrees on the machined flats. With Cooper 295/70-18 St Maxx the Jeep drives and rides like a dream. One finger on the steering wheel is all it takes, no more flighty steering.
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Thanks. Couldn't find my instructions and was about to look them up. Only other thing i may add are some disconnects. Anyone recommend some good disconnects for this setup?
There is a lot of good ones out there. We do a lot of the Rock Krawler and JKS disco's. If we can help, let us know.

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running the 2.5 TF coil lift with rancho RS5000x shocks, front adjustable track bar and CORE 4x4 FLCA with the camber set to 0 degrees on the machined flats. With Cooper 295/70-18 St Maxx the Jeep drives and rides like a dream. One finger on the steering wheel is all it takes, no more flighty steering.
It is amazing what having correct castor will do to the handling of the Jeep.

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There is a lot of good ones out there. We do a lot of the Rock Krawler and JKS disco's. If we can help, let us know.



It is amazing what having correct castor will do to the handling of the Jeep.

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PM me a quote on the RK, TF, and/or JKS disco's that would work with this TF 2.5" kit. I tore a boot on one of my OEM Rear (moved to front) links and need to get some new ones anyways. No reason to not move to disco's.

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I just installed the geometry brackets on hole #2 with the TF 2.5 coil kit. I will measure the angle tonight, but am curious as to which hole others are using.
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PM me a quote on the RK, TF, and/or JKS disco's that would work with this TF 2.5" kit. I tore a boot on one of my OEM Rear (moved to front) links and need to get some new ones anyways. No reason to not move to disco's.

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I just installed the geometry brackets on hole #2 with the TF 2.5 coil kit. I will measure the angle tonight, but am curious as to which hole others are using.
i did hole 2 and it put caster at 6. I'll be going to hole 1 if the weather holds out this weekend.
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i did hole 2 and it put caster at 6. I'll be going to hole 1 if the weather holds out this weekend.
Measure yourself or alignment ?
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Alignment. Same setup as ImLost7.
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I moved to Hole #1 - world of difference. I think that this is the ideal hole for the TF 2.5 lift. I don't have the measurements (apologies to the collective forum knowledge base) , but my experience at #2 was that it was better than without, but still not ideal. It was simple to to move to Hole #1 today and it was an immediate improvement. I'll post an update once I put some more miles on and will find some time to measure the angle.
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Hi everyone, I did the lift install today with the help of a friend. The kit as I installed it:
2.5" Teraflex lift
Rancho 9000 shocks
Rancho Geo brackets
Teraflex exhaust spacer
Teraflex monster front track bar
Teraflex 1" coil spacer in rear only

Overall not too bad of an install if you have plenty of wrenches and sockets. The rear was easier and faster to install. The front took longer, especially the install of the Geo Brackets because there seemed to be a lot of tension on the upper and lower bars and we couldn't figure out how to release it to disconnect everything and install the brackets; once we got past that hurdle the rest wasn't too bad.
I used the top bolt to get the best geometry on the rear axleside bracket and the rear axle isn't too far off center; I think I will leave it as is.The front we were able to center perfectly and we used the 1st hole on the rancho geo brackets. Not sure if I should have tried hole 2?
couple of questions I have now that I installed the lift:

- The brake line extension brackets were labeled for the rear but on a video I watched from Havoc offroad they use the brackets for the front brakes.
it seems to me that both front and rear need some kind of brake line adjustment to make things a little safer. The front especially, if we put back the bracket that sits in the brake caliper is going to be way too short to flex the suspension all it theoretically can. The rear is tight also but not as bad as the front. how did you guys handle the brake lines?
- did anyone paint the UBolt of the rear axle side bracket plus other hardware that come unpainted and shiny both in the lift and in the other components such as the geo bracket bolts? maybe I can paint all that after I retorque the bolts in about a month?
- should I take the jeep in to make sure the alignment, caster, etc are where they need to be? the front wheels seem to point a little outward (toe out?)
- Also during the install i found out our brand new jeep was delivered with one lug nut crosstreaded - the lug nut was missing and I could not out a new one in the spot. How hard is it to get that fixed?
- Last question, Jeep is 1 week old, built 12 days ago and there is already rust all over the drive shaft and a lot of exposed raw aluminum and metal on the underside of the jeep. Any products recommended to keep all that stuff from rusting?

Lastly, thanks to everyone who contributed to this tread; I would not have attempted this install if I had not read all you all have written here!
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FredGFL - congratulations on the lift, you'll love it - stay on hole #1.

Brake line issue - check out Teraflex's install video. It should clear everything up.

https://youtu.be/vz-R5E-NPQg


I did not paint the rear track bar bracket. It's not really noticeable unless you are looking for it. Personal preference, I suppose.

Alignment - I'll defer to the more experienced folks, but the lift should not have affected your toe. You may need to recenter your steering wheel (very important), but you can do that yourself. And the caster should be fine with the geo brackets - you can check that yourself as well.

Cross threaded lug nut - no idea on that one

Rust - Yeah, that's one thing I hate. I'm in Chicago and it's tough. From what I've read here and on other forums, is that surface rust underneath is a fact of life. Even some new jeeps at the dealer have some, but it's not bad. There are several ideas of this from fluid film, to under coating, etc. A search should help, though I am curious as to some of the responses to your questions.
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Brakes - I wondered the same thing about the brackets. But assuredly the provided ones go on the rear. I actually needed to pull the hardlines out of the little plastic clip on the frame. A little gentle reshaping, and they went back in and landed perfectly on the bracket. The situation with the lower bracket in the front is something else. I think i'm going to do like others and carefully notch then pry off the factory bracket. To help retain things, am thinking about cutting some 2" sections of black rubber bungee, and using a stainless hose clamp to attach it to the lower part of the front shock body on the backside. Pop a hole in the loose end and that will give me something to zip tie the brake and ABS lines to. I'll post up pictures. Goal is to guide the lines to keep them away from snagging the lower shock mount, but still give enough play to shift side to side at full lock turns.

Stay in hole 1 on the Geo brackets. Hole 2 will give too much caster I think. I may do hole 2 with a spacer in the front, but you only did one in rear. Am waiting on spacer choice until i strap on the replacement bumpers - my goal for them isn't extra height - just want to correct ride height for the extra weight of bumper+winch & bumper+spare. Am thinking I may wind up with 1" front and rear. It will be an excuse for me to finally buy a coil spring compressor anyway.

I didn't paint the ubolt either. It's plated, and I don't mind the visual attention - it says hey, there's something special right here LOL.

Alignment is usually a good idea - but you shouldn't have done anything to change your toe. It would be a good caster check though. Firestone has a sale on lifetime alignments BTW. $159 and you can get it checked every 6000 miles. FWIW I also did not need to do anything special to align my steering wheel.

The lug stud is easy - they just press in/out. Part is less than $3. Haven't had to do one on the new JK yet, but I've always just used my air chisel to press it out, and then a sacrificial lugnut with washers or a socket as a spacer to pull the new one back in.

For rust use a corrosion inhibiter (fluid film etc). Don't use bedliner or undercoating on your driveshaft. That's asking for balance issues.
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I looked at the brake line bracket in the front today again and decided to keep the extension brackets in front for now. They are holding the lower front brake bracket really well in between the shock and springs and this way I don't have to try prying open the bracket.
For the rear I am ordering another set of the Teraflex extension brackets; they are cheap and seem to me will work better then buying a bracket from Home Depot as I have read in other threads.
This is the P/N in case anyone likes my workaround: https://teraflex.com/shop_items/52dd...77f01691804fc9

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I used these brackets up front (first 2 results shown) Used the supplied kit ones in the rear.
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Just got my TF 2.5 coil lift on and it's really nice. I do have a couple questions since I'm new at this. First, is this breather tube on the rear axle ok for flexing? Second, pic 2, is the front brake lines for mine and I used the synergy front brake line extension brackets. Do you all think both will be ok?


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The rear breather tube, we usually move it down to the top of the shock tower and mount it there. Super easy to do. Worst case, it pops off the axle tube and you push it back on. You can run a zip tie around it to help hold it. 2.5" and you should be okay with where it is at though.

For the front brake lines, the drop bracket will help. I would SLOWLY flex the front and see how much room you have. If you think it is to tight, I would do longer front brake lines. You dont want to bust a brake line on the trail.

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The rear breather tube, we usually move it down to the top of the shock tower and mount it there. Super easy to do. Worst case, it pops off the axle tube and you push it back on. You can run a zip tie around it to help hold it. 2.5" and you should be okay with where it is at though. For the front brake lines, the drop bracket will help. I would SLOWLY flex the front and see how much room you have. If you think it is to tight, I would do longer front brake lines. You dont want to bust a brake line on the trail. -Jason
He has a 2012+ and all he needs to do is separate the lines from the coil perch. Us 07-11's dont have that luxury and have shorter brake and abs lines.
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He has a 2012+ and all he needs to do is separate the lines from the coil perch. Us 07-11's dont have that luxury and have shorter brake and abs lines.
Ah missed that! Yes your right. I also like to put it behind the shock with the stainless lines but you dont have to.

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Old 01-23-2017, 11:49 AM   #1979
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He has a 2012+ and all he needs to do is separate the lines from the coil perch. Us 07-11's dont have that luxury and have shorter brake and abs lines.
So just pop these 2 clips out and leave it loose? This way when I flex it should be ok then correct?
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Old 01-23-2017, 11:53 AM   #1980
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The rear breather tube, we usually move it down to the top of the shock tower and mount it there. Super easy to do. Worst case, it pops off the axle tube and you push it back on. You can run a zip tie around it to help hold it. 2.5" and you should be okay with where it is at though.

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Sorry I'm new to all this and it my first lifted jeep. Not too sure exactly what you mean on this. Could you pm me if you get a chance and maybe elaborate a little more? Or if you have any other pics? Thanks

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