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Old 07-19-2019, 11:03 AM
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NEED HELP!! DESPERATE!!! Coolant pours out as fast as I put it in

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I have a 2013 JK (MOAB edition) 3.6L engine. Last night the temp spiked, then dropped to zero, engine warning light and electronic throttle control light came on.... Luckily i was only a block away from home when this happened and was able to limp it home. this morning I am checking hoses and lines and everything I can see... I poured water into the radiator to see if I can spot the leak and the water is pouring out as fast as I pour it in. I cant spot the exact spot of the leak but it is somewhere near the back of the engine because it is raining down from over the bell housing. I cant get a clear enough look to see where it is coming. the only coolant line i see that goes down in that direction is from the heater core feed line. ANY advice is appreciated.

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I would take a closer look at the hoses.
One could be split in a way that is not as obvious to see.
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I'm assuming you meant 3.6L engine.

There are hoses to run coolant through the heater core at the firewall. If water is pouring off the back of the engine that means you either have a hose that has ruptured or a clamp failed and the hose blew off the fitting.

Find where the hoses go into the heater core. Follow the hoses from the heater core to the engine. You should be able to spot the failure pretty easily.

It could possibly be the block heater, if you have one of those. It could have had a problem and fallen out. It also might be possible, but very unlikely, that one of the freeze plugs popped out. If the hoses are intact, look at the engine closely while a friend pours water in. You should be able to spot the leak one way or another.
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I would also check the connections. I am not familiar with the 6.3 block. Is there a port towards the rear?
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See if you can tape your phone to a spot with a good view of where you think the fluid is coming out, start it recording, and then pour the fluid in. That's a good way to get some idea of what's happening. You can also upload it into youtube and post it for others to potentially diagnose.
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Derf* Yes, 3.6L. I've followed the heater hoses from where they begin at the water pump, up over the engine and into the rear firewall. the line that comes up from the pump splits off in two directions. One into the firewall (labled heater) and one down behind the engine to some unknown/unseen point. Both the heater feed line and the heater return line hoses are intact with good clamps. As for the line that splits off of the heater feed line and goes behind the engine... as far down as I can see the hose looks intact. I disconnected that line off of the steel pipe (feed line) and poured water into the radiator.... nothing comes out of that line, but it is still raining down from the back of the engine somewhere. I do not think i have a cracked block or heads... the oil is clear (no signs of water contamination) and so is the Transmission fluid. I've been looking but I cant even find a diagram of what those hoses are or where they go...
I'm going to have to get a bigger inspection mirror or maybe see if someone has one of those flexible camera (bore scope camera?) things.
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Derf* Yes, 3.6L. I've followed the heater hoses from where they begin at the water pump, up over the engine and into the rear firewall. the line that comes up from the pump splits off in two directions. One into the firewall (labled heater) and one down behind the engine to some unknown/unseen point. Both the heater feed line and the heater return line hoses are intact with good clamps. As for the line that splits off of the heater feed line and goes behind the engine... as far down as I can see the hose looks intact. I disconnected that line off of the steel pipe (feed line) and poured water into the radiator.... nothing comes out of that line, but it is still raining down from the back of the engine somewhere. I do not think i have a cracked block or heads... the oil is clear (no signs of water contamination) and so is the Transmission fluid. I've been looking but I cant even find a diagram of what those hoses are or where they go...
I'm going to have to get a bigger inspection mirror or maybe see if someone has one of those flexible camera (bore scope camera?) things.
AutoZone or O'Reillys may have one you can borrow.
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I edited in your 3.6L.

Because of the high volume of water that you are loosing, sounds like a blown hose.
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How about the oil filter/cooler. Look at the base of the oil filter in the valley and hope you see no coolant.
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Derf* Yes, 3.6L. I've followed the heater hoses from where they begin at the water pump, up over the engine and into the rear firewall. the line that comes up from the pump splits off in two directions. One into the firewall (labled heater) and one down behind the engine to some unknown/unseen point. Both the heater feed line and the heater return line hoses are intact with good clamps. As for the line that splits off of the heater feed line and goes behind the engine... as far down as I can see the hose looks intact. I disconnected that line off of the steel pipe (feed line) and poured water into the radiator.... nothing comes out of that line, but it is still raining down from the back of the engine somewhere. I do not think i have a cracked block or heads... the oil is clear (no signs of water contamination) and so is the Transmission fluid. I've been looking but I cant even find a diagram of what those hoses are or where they go...
I'm going to have to get a bigger inspection mirror or maybe see if someone has one of those flexible camera (bore scope camera?) things.
That other hose probably goes into the back of the engine, somewhere near or on the head. I don't know for sure on the 3.6. That's probably your source of water leak.

And a crack in the head that's on the outside of the engine would only leak coolant. It wouldn't mix anything with the oil, and certainly not with the trans fluid.

A blown freeze plug would also be a potential leak source. They're just covers for the holes in the heads and block. If one pops out, all it does is leak coolant. Also, a block heater coming out would cause the same problem.

A better mirror would certainly help you track down the leak.
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How about the oil filter/cooler. Look at the base of the oil filter in the valley and hope you see no coolant.
I thought about that, too, but it sounds like he's seeing way too much volume for that. The coolant line into that contraption is very small.
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That other hose probably goes into the back of the engine, somewhere near or on the head. I don't know for sure on the 3.6. That's probably your source of water leak.

And a crack in the head that's on the outside of the engine would only leak coolant. It wouldn't mix anything with the oil, and certainly not with the trans fluid.

A blown freeze plug would also be a potential leak source. They're just covers for the holes in the heads and block. If one pops out, all it does is leak coolant. Also, a block heater coming out would cause the same problem.

A better mirror would certainly help you track down the leak.
^^^ The Pentastar blocks and cylinder heads have no freeze plugs! No leaks, no noise, but getting them clean of chips is a lot harder. Also, the parts are now using RFID tags and are marked with build dates and times, and a unique serial number for each major part; they are marked using a unit with a resemblance to a dot-matrix printer.

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^^^ The Pentastar blocks and cylinder heads have no freeze plugs! No leaks, no noise, but getting them clean of chips is a lot harder. Also, the parts are now using RFID tags and are marked with build dates and times, and a unique serial number for each major part; they are marked using a unit with a resemblance to a dot-matrix printer.

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this leak has been minor for the last month or so....adding fluid about once a week...
last night it went critical. I am leaning towards either a hose that goes back into the block (at some point I can't find yet) or a blown freeze plug (which I can't see either).

Considering the location of the leak (unfound as of yet) it looks like its not going to be something as simple as replacing a radiator hose.
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Could be that the connection for the other end of that hose developed a crack (started leaking) but recently broke off completely (major leak).
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Forget pouring water in, put a garden hose in and turn it on. Then just look for the waterfall
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Cumon man. Iím sitting in Kauai on a beach waiting to hear where the leak came from!!!! PS no Jeep waves here. Too many rentals.


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How about the oil filter/cooler. Look at the base of the oil filter in the valley and hope you see no coolant.
Oil Cooler it is.... Not being familiar with the engine myself, I am unfamiliar with what I was really looking at. Replacing it is not beyond my means/skills, but IS beyond my time... seeing how the jeep is the Wives's every day drive and I'm on 12 hour shifts, we had our regular mech take a look...

Hundred dollar part plus labor makes our Breakdown Insurance well worth the extra premium.

Thanks for all the helpful suggestions.
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Might be a good time to also replace the spark plugs. Good luck.
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I have a 2013 JK (MOAB edition) 3.6L engine. Last night the temp spiked, then dropped to zero, engine warning light and electronic throttle control light came on.... Luckily i was only a block away from home when this happened and was able to limp it home. this morning I am checking hoses and lines and everything I can see... I poured water into the radiator to see if I can spot the leak and the water is pouring out as fast as I pour it in. I cant spot the exact spot of the leak but it is somewhere near the back of the engine because it is raining down from over the bell housing. I cant get a clear enough look to see where it is coming. the only coolant line i see that goes down in that direction is from the heater core feed line. ANY advice is appreciated.
This is a simple one as I've just encountered this myself. It's not at all a simple fix though. There is a coolant line that goes to your oil cooler that is mounted in the engine's V underneath the intake manifold. If you're going to replace this line I also suggest replacing your oil cooler assembly that has an oil temp and pressure switch included! Also might as well change your spark plugs! You're going to have to pull the top and bottom intake manifolds. It's not fun but also not impossible. i do all of my own repairs!
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Water pump and the rad usually goes around that time so check them both as well. Good Luck!
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The best $29 I have spent in recent memory was purchasing an endoscope. And that was before I bought my TJ. I can't believe how much it's helped me diagnose and fix problems I've had.

I bought my Jeep without a front drive shaft. Before buying a replacement I had to check to see if the transfer case actually worked. Simple: tape the endoscope beneath the vehicle and watch it spin on my phone.

I was losing water, like you. But it was coming from under the radiator. Endoscope stuck to the edge of the fan shroud. Saw where a rock came through the grill.

Installed a Rugged Ridge tubular rear bumper. There are hidden bolts that were almost impossible to reach when I couldn't see them. Endoscope is illuminated, so I could see when my fat fingers reached the bolt.
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I have a 2013 JK (MOAB edition) 3.6L engine. Last night the temp spiked, then dropped to zero, engine warning light and electronic throttle control light came on.... Luckily i was only a block away from home when this happened and was able to limp it home. this morning I am checking hoses and lines and everything I can see... I poured water into the radiator to see if I can spot the leak and the water is pouring out as fast as I pour it in. I cant spot the exact spot of the leak but it is somewhere near the back of the engine because it is raining down from over the bell housing. I cant get a clear enough look to see where it is coming. the only coolant line i see that goes down in that direction is from the heater core feed line. ANY advice is appreciated.
Check the lower, rear, passenger side corner of the radiator. The drain is there and it is a bit of an odd valve. Perhaps it has been knocked loose.

Alternately, at the back of the engine the hose passes through the fire wall to the heater core. Is it wet or sweet smelling under the glove box?


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