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Old 04-22-2018, 12:37 PM
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New stronger Rear Sway Bar needed with new lift??

While looking around for a reputable shop to install my 3.5" Lift on my JKUR one of the shops highly recommended to replace the factory Rear Sway Bar with a stronger one.

I do realized shops need to sell but what you guys do; do you upgrade the rear sway bar?

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I don’t think so myself and I still have the stock one on mine without issues. Have wheeled it a lot, and street driven it a bit as well.


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No you do not need a stronger sway bar. Your lift should come with new, longer, rear links for the swayer and thats all you need.
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I don’t think you need a new sway bar. Just some new end links if your lift does not come with them.
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I'm in agreement with the above posts. I have a 3.5 inch lift and sway bars are original. The shop is just trying to make more money off you. I would highly recommend installing the lift yourself. It's just nuts and bolts and the directions tell you every step to take. Once the lift is installed take it to an alignment shop and get the final adjustments done by professional with the computerized alignment machine. If you have to buy jacks and jack stands you still save money, by a good margin. Then you have a good understanding of that part of your jeep.
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Thanks guys, exactly what I thought. I did get new adjustable links for the rear with also an adjustable JKS rear trackbar, I'm trying to get away from geo-brackets.
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Actually a thicker sway bar in the rear will make a really nice inexpensive upgrade for your rig. I use a Hellwig bar. AEV use them on their setups also. Least expensive mod I've done that had the greatest positive impact. Flattens in out in the curves and also helps with the wind and competing with semis on the highway.
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https://www.wranglerforum.com/f202/he...r-1777802.html

There's lots of opinions in that thread. I'd like to try it but there's other stuff I would rather spend money on first.
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There's lots of opinions in that thread. I'd like to try it but there's other stuff I would rather spend money on first.
Thanks for the link. Looks like like Jeeps come with either 17mm or 19mm swaybars from factory and the Jeeps with 17mm benefit the most with an upgraded bar.
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I have to disagree with everyone who says it is not worth it. I have a 2015 JKUR Hardrock with 2.5 lift and 35s. I immediately noticed a huge difference in the handling of my jeep after installing the Hellwig rear sway bar. I take corners at 50 mph and found that my jeep hugs the corners and has no more of that "rolling" back and forth feeling when handing curves. The rear of the jeep is very stable. I live in the mountains and drive winding roads daily. HUGE difference with the Hellwig. Cheap mod. well worth it.
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I have to disagree with everyone who says it is not worth it. I have a 2015 JKUR Hardrock with 2.5 lift and 35s. I immediately noticed a huge difference in the handling of my jeep after installing the Hellwig rear sway bar. I take corners at 50 mph and found that my jeep hugs the corners and has no more of that "rolling" back and forth feeling when handing curves. The rear of the jeep is very stable. I live in the mountains and drive windy roads daily. HUGE difference with the Hellwig. Cheap mod. well worth it.
Does it make everyday driving slightly rougher? That was one downside I've read about
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I run a triangulated rear end with king coil overs and dont need any rear sway bar.
Its gonna depend on your vehicle and how its set up. If i were gonna be seriously desert racing I would put antirocks on it , but I can dial it in way better without fighting against the sway bar. WOuld try it with the factory sway and see if you like it first. its not hard to install a new swaybar yourself, very easy part to put on. The factory sway bars are pretty flimsy to begin with. If i wanted it to drive more like a sports car would go with something like the helwig listed above.
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Does it make everyday driving slightly rougher? That was one downside I've read about

No, and the bushings don't squeak,and it hasn't rusted either. I've been running one for about 15k miles and 1.3 years. $160-$200 and a couple of hours of time. Just make sure you soak the bolts with penetrating oil through the frame access holes overnight before removal. Work them slow, back and forth, if they seem tight. People have snapped the bolts on some jeeps that live in the rust belt.
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No, and the bushings don't squeak,and it hasn't rusted either. I've been running one for about 15k miles and 1.3 years. $160-$200 and a couple of hours of time. Just make sure you soak the bolts with penetrating oil through the frame access holes overnight before removal. Work them slow, back and forth, if they seem tight. People have snapped the bolts on some jeeps that live in the rust belt.
May need to snag this then. Feel like I have a ton of rolling back and forth in turns and some uneven roads to the point where it's like a boat rocking, hopefully this would help?
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May need to snag this then. Feel like I have a ton of rolling back and forth in turns and some uneven roads to the point where it's like a boat rocking, hopefully this would help?
I was more than pleasantly surprised with the bang for the buck. What sold me was that jeep even has a thicker bar on some models and then seeing aev using them and a few other builders also. People try to cure rocking and swaying with shocks. It's the anti sway bars job. Also, you have to take the drivers wheel off to to install. Be patient with install, you have to twist and turn it a bit and watch your brake lines. Good luck.
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FWIW, after testing it on the Metalcloak flex trailer I removed the rear sway bar entirely. I notice no ill effects on highway and the trail
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No, and the bushings don't squeak,and it hasn't rusted either. I've been running one for about 15k miles and 1.3 years. $160-$200 and a couple of hours of time. Just make sure you soak the bolts with penetrating oil through the frame access holes overnight before removal. Work them slow, back and forth, if they seem tight. People have snapped the bolts on some jeeps that live in the rust belt.
Sorry. I find that hard to believe.

The whole idea of a sway bar is to limit suspension travel (the difference between left and right travel) along with the speed at which it travels. This means that by nature you're going to feel more bumps and the more you limit the suspension (stiffer sway bars), the more you will feel those bumps. The harder ride by nature goes hand in hand with beefier SB's. There can be no other way.

You won't believe how much the ride softens up when you disconnect the front and rear SB's (I know this through experience). Of course the down side to that is body roll on turns, so it tends to be a balancing act with SB's. You want them heavy enough so that they curb the body roll but not so heavy that they totally prevent left/right suspension difference.

Personally speaking, I'm not a big believer in sway bars at all. We in the jeep world spend a lot of money on our suspensions trying to attain high levels of articulation. Sway bars seem kind of counter productive to that.
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Does it make everyday driving slightly rougher? That was one downside I've read about
Not at all. I use my Jeep as a DD and have not noticed a "rougher" ride. I like the fact that I feel more control in my Jeep when traveling around winding roads and highway driving. I have AEV performance springs and Bilstein shocks for that purpose, a firmer, more stable handling on the road. Like I said I use my Jeep as a DD, and some lite trails.
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Not at all. I use my Jeep as a DD and have not noticed a "rougher" ride. I like the fact that I feel more control in my Jeep when traveling around winding roads and highway driving. I have AEV performance springs and Bilstein shocks for that purpose, a firmer, more stable handling on the road. Like I said I use my Jeep as a DD, and some lite trails.
If you haven't noticed a harder ride on left/right difference (one wheel hitting a pothole for example) then I would suggest to you the aftermarket sway bar you have is working no better than the stock one.

Sway bars are not "smart". They don't know the difference between a turn, or one wheel hitting a pothole. All they know how to do is stiffen up when the suspension travel on one side tries to go further than the one on other side. That's its objective and that's what it does... and it does it without knowing a pothole from a turn.

For this reason, if you stiffen up a sway bar for better turns then you also make it stiffer when for example one wheel hits a pothole. It can't work any other way.
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If you are a Moab, Rubicon Trail person this comment is not for you. If you are a max articulation guy - this is also not for you! If you drive your JK 98% on road (like 90% of JK’s) or on fire roads or at the beach - this is for you!

I come from the race car world - Porsche, Ferrari, Audi and Mazda mainly. So when I first got my new 2018 JK I could not believe how bad it drove - I was embarrassed for Jeep! No way I was letting my 8 year old daughter ride in it without major suspension modifications! After researching and test driving on-road focused lift kits I went with an AEV 3.5” SC lift with 35 x 12.5 x 20 Toyo Open Country AT Extreme This was my starting point - after lift and tire install ride quality was a 3 out of 10. My first major fix was the brakes - the stock brakes should be illegal! I removed them after 600 miles! I went with The Wilwood big brake kit - 6 piston front 14 inch slotted rotor and 4 piston rear 12 inch Slotted rotor. The ride was still crap but at least it stopped! Next was handling - to be honest I wasn’t sure I could get it to anything resembling what I wanted! I started with body roll - I used a typical Solo Race slalom course to measure body roll - at 40mph it was over 5 inches! To cure the body roll I started in the rear with a Hellwig 7706 7/8” crmoly sway bar and a Hellwig 7865 1 1/4 inch front sway bar - instantly cured 75% of the body roll! The remaining body roll was cured with Falcon 3.3 adjustable shocks set to firm micro adjusted to 2. The next item I addressed was steering - using Go-Pros I noticed severe deflection in the Track bar - I cured this with a Teraflex Monster track bar with a Synergy track bar brace along with the sector shaft brace. At this point the ride is 6.5/10 but there is still play in the steering wheel which made the whole Jeep feel loose. I installed a Flalcon 2.2 adjustable steering stabilizer and with it set to medium fixed most of that loose feel. Now the Jeep corners flat, stops on a dime and handles like it should - ride is currently a 7-7.5/10 and I feel comfortable letting my daughter strap in to “her” Jeep!

Yes I know - Jeeps are not race cars and it’s not what they are designed for! But it’s what my Jeep is for!

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If you are a Moab, Rubicon Trail person this comment is not for you. If you are a max articulation guy - this is also not for you! If you drive your JK 98% on road (like 90% of JK’s) or on fire roads or at the beach - this is for you!

I come from the race car world - Porsche, Ferrari, Audi and Mazda mainly. So when I first got my new 2018 JK I could not believe how bad it drove - I was embarrassed for Jeep! No way I was letting my 8 year old daughter ride in it without major suspension modifications! After researching and test driving on-road focused lift kits I went with an AEV 3.5” SC lift with 35 x 12.5 x 20 Toyo Open Country AT Extreme This was my starting point - after lift and tire install ride quality was a 3 out of 10. My first major fix was the brakes - the stock brakes should be illegal! I removed them after 600 miles! I went with The Wilwood big brake kit - 6 piston front 14 inch slotted rotor and 4 piston rear 12 inch Slotted rotor. The ride was still crap but at least it stopped! Next was handling - to be honest I wasn’t sure I could get it to anything resembling what I wanted! I started with body roll - I used a typical Solo Race slalom course to measure body roll - at 40mph it was over 5 inches! To cure the body roll I started in the rear with a Hellwig 7706 7/8” crmoly sway bar and a Hellwig 7865 1 1/4 inch front sway bar - instantly cured 75% of the body roll! The remaining body roll was cured with Falcon 3.3 adjustable shocks set to firm micro adjusted to 2. The next item I addressed was steering - using Go-Pros I noticed severe deflection in the Track bar - I cured this with a Teraflex Monster track bar with a Synergy track bar brace along with the sector shaft brace. At this point the ride is 6.5/10 but there is still play in the steering wheel which made the whole Jeep feel loose. I installed a Flalcon 2.2 adjustable steering stabilizer and with it set to medium fixed most of that loose feel. Now the Jeep corners flat, stops on a dime and handles like it should - ride is currently a 7-7.5/10 and I feel comfortable letting my daughter strap in to “her” Jeep!

Yes I know - Jeeps are not race cars and it’s not what they are designed for! But it’s what my Jeep is for!

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Thanks for your inputs.
I never replaced the swaybar but my current setup is somewhat on the firm side; going from stock to the JKS lift improved body roll and it seems is not an issue for me.

My question is, if I replace my rear swaybar, will it affect or stiffen my ride on a straight road? Or the swaybar only comes to play when turning.

Again, assuming on road driving.
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My question is, if I replace my rear swaybar, will it affect or stiffen my ride on a straight road? Or the swaybar only comes to play when turning.

Again, assuming on road driving.

The sway bar comes into play anytime there is a DIFFERENCE in expansion/compression on left side vs right side.


Going over a pothole with one wheel for example, or making a turn where one spring is compressing while the other is expanding, will activate the sway bar. But going over a long speed bump head on where both wheels compress/expand at the same rate omits the sway bar from the picture.


The stiffer the sway bar then the less roll and spring difference, but tougher ride when difference occurs.
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I have a 3.5 inch lift. I chucked the rear sway bar soon after I bought the Jeep. It does have very slightly more body roll but it is a lot more comfortable on road and off. your neck only gets snapped side to side once instead of twice on the bumps, especially diagonally crossing a deep swale on the street ( I have a lot of them where I live). It articulates more feely and less roll stiffness in the rear will just make it understeer a bit more if you really push it in the turns, not great but it is stable and you probably won't spin out. You probably know how much better your Jeep works offroad with the front bar disconnected. The rear is doing the same thing to you, I would guess the effect is about 25% of what the front is. You should at least try it, you can always put it back on.
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I have to disagree with everyone who says it is not worth it. I immediately noticed a huge difference in the handling of my jeep after installing the Hellwig rear sway bar. I take corners at 50 mph and found that my jeep hugs the corners and has no more of that "rolling" back and forth feeling when handing curves. The rear of the jeep is very stable. I live in the mountains and drive winding roads daily. HUGE difference with the Hellwig. Cheap mod. well worth it.
Have to agree with this 100%. I have had the exact same experience.
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Have to agree with this 100%. I have had the exact same experience.

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If you are a Moab, Rubicon Trail person this comment is not for you. If you are a max articulation guy - this is also not for you! If you drive your JK 98% on road (like 90% of JK’s) or on fire roads or at the beach - this is for you!

I come from the race car world - Porsche, Ferrari, Audi and Mazda mainly. So when I first got my new 2018 JK I could not believe how bad it drove - I was embarrassed for Jeep! No way I was letting my 8 year old daughter ride in it without major suspension modifications! After researching and test driving on-road focused lift kits I went with an AEV 3.5” SC lift with 35 x 12.5 x 20 Toyo Open Country AT Extreme This was my starting point - after lift and tire install ride quality was a 3 out of 10. My first major fix was the brakes - the stock brakes should be illegal! I removed them after 600 miles! I went with The Wilwood big brake kit - 6 piston front 14 inch slotted rotor and 4 piston rear 12 inch Slotted rotor. The ride was still crap but at least it stopped! Next was handling - to be honest I wasn’t sure I could get it to anything resembling what I wanted! I started with body roll - I used a typical Solo Race slalom course to measure body roll - at 40mph it was over 5 inches! To cure the body roll I started in the rear with a Hellwig 7706 7/8” crmoly sway bar and a Hellwig 7865 1 1/4 inch front sway bar - instantly cured 75% of the body roll! The remaining body roll was cured with Falcon 3.3 adjustable shocks set to firm micro adjusted to 2. The next item I addressed was steering - using Go-Pros I noticed severe deflection in the Track bar - I cured this with a Teraflex Monster track bar with a Synergy track bar brace along with the sector shaft brace. At this point the ride is 6.5/10 but there is still play in the steering wheel which made the whole Jeep feel loose. I installed a Flalcon 2.2 adjustable steering stabilizer and with it set to medium fixed most of that loose feel. Now the Jeep corners flat, stops on a dime and handles like it should - ride is currently a 7-7.5/10 and I feel comfortable letting my daughter strap in to “her” Jeep!

Yes I know - Jeeps are not race cars and it’s not what they are designed for! But it’s what my Jeep is for!

** If you would like to know all the mods let me know
I think the Hellwig is designed with a stock spring rate in mind. That would explain different opinions on the application. I run the factory lift as in a recon "4 door springs on a two door " really made a positive, noticeable difference to me and my passengers. I would do the front also, but not at the expense of my Rubicon elec. disconnect. If I need the extra articualion I would just put in manual disconnects in the rear. What's the big deal? I even have two sets of wheels and tires. M/T's are terrible on the street, A/T's are still a compromise on and off road. The stock brakes are inadequate imo also, you are lucky you didn't have the halogen headlights. Like any other vehicle with a strong following the aftermarket came to the rescue. I think the newest JL version solved 95% of the issues. Going on the 10th year with my jk and still love it. Idiosyncrasy's and all.

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