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Old 06-20-2019, 04:19 PM
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Non-CARB compliant exhaust

I'm in a bit of a quandary here. My '07 JKU has aftermarket headers and y-pipe and cats that are not CARB compliant. It all works perfectly, and passes all the OBD/II I/M Readiness checks. The problem is that it won't pass CA Smog because it fails the visual inspection. I'm planning on selling the Jeep anyway, but with only 1 month of smog cert left, no body in their right mind would buy it in CA.

So, I have a couple of choices:

1 - replace the manifolds and y-pipes with CARB certified components. The dealer wants $3k for this. I have an independent shop quoting me $2,300 to do it (likely using after market parts).

2 - try and sell the Jeep out of state to someone willing to do the smog certification in their own state - Nevada comes to mind here.

3 - try and sell it locally without the smog certification.

Any thoughts on this? How hard would it be to sell the Jeep out of state? Will I lose more value doing that than I'll gain?

FYI - the Jeep is an '07 with theoretically 180k miles. I say theoretically because it has 25k miles on a reman motor, and 15k miles on a centerforce II clutch. It has high quality Metalcloak suspension parts (all control arms, drag link, trackbar, etc) with a 4" lift. I figure I can probably get around $15k for it locally (LA area), but to do that I will need to replace the entire exhaust system as stated above.

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You will have to provide a smog certificate dated no earlier than 90 days prior to the sale date. Only way to sell in California is to register the rig as non-op so the buyer has to deal with the smog issue. However, resale value will take a huge hit given the non-op registration.

Consider eBay or perhaps craigslist in Phoenix. Out of state buyer will responsible for the smog issue.

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Maybe get a stock exhaust from a wrecker yard/pick part place and install.

I used to have a 2007 Dodge Ram 2500 6.7L Mega Cab. I did a full delete on the emissions equipment including a turbo back exhaust. Like you, the vehicle would pass all tests (in Arizona) but fail the visual inspection for the Cat. So, each year, I'd go through the trouble of removing the aftermarket exhaust and installing the stock exhaust for the emissions test, then reinstall the aftermarket system.

That was a big pain in the butt because the down tube from the turbo could not be removed without removing the cross member for the transmission. So I eventually left the stock down tube installed and got an adapter to make my aftermarket exhaust a Cat back system.

I never will understand why the visual is necessary. If the vehicle passes the exhaust sniffer test, that is all that should matter.

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Erryone chops their cats off here. Its a deeply Red state no inspections (KS). Too bad your so far away I doubt anyone here would want to pay shipping but then again I did sell a BMW on Ebay to a dude in NC that had a shipper pick it up from my garage. PO traded it to me for some work we did to his home. Turned out to be the first year of that particular model so that was why it sold so quick and dude wanted it so bad.
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You might consider moving to a state not ran by idiots.
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Old 06-20-2019, 10:48 PM
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You will have to provide a smog certificate dated no earlier than 90 days prior to the sale date. Only way to sell in California is to register the rig as non-op so the buyer has to deal with the smog issue. However, resale value will take a huge hit given the non-op registration.

Consider eBay or perhaps craigslist in Phoenix. Out of state buyer will responsible for the smog issue.

Shoot. I didnít know that. Thanks for the info.

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Maybe get a stock exhaust from a wrecker yard/pick part place and install.

I used to have a 2007 Dodge Ram 2500 6.7L Mega Cab. I did a full delete on the emissions equipment including a turbo back exhaust. Like you, the vehicle would pass all tests (in Arizona) but fail the visual inspection for the Cat. So, each year, I'd go through the trouble of removing the aftermarket exhaust and installing the stock exhaust for the emissions test, then reinstall the aftermarket system.

That was a big pain in the butt because the down tube from the turbo could not be removed without removing the cross member for the transmission. So I eventually left the stock down tube installed and got an adapter to make my aftermarket exhaust a Cat back system.

I never will understand why the visual is necessary. If the vehicle passes the exhaust sniffer test, that is all that should matter.

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I agree on the stupidity of CARB visual given that the PCM is so sensitive to cat efficiency.

My problem is that I need to replace the headers too, and thatís a much bigger job. I really donít feel like stripping any of the manifold bolts.

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Prior to the CA biannual SMOG inspections (1984ish), I put a V6 engine in an older mini pickup. It had 4bbl, headers, ran awesome...!! But totally unsmogable...

I got caught during it's first biannual SMOG inspection... I was young and naively thought I'd be grandfathered in, since the law was passed after I did the engine swap.... HAHAHAHAH!

I got tagged by a CA SMOG Referee.... It was gonna cost $4-5K to add all the required SMOG stuff. More than the thing was worth at the time...

I learned:

1) The seller is responsible for the SMOG Cert of a vehicle they sell. Even if the new owner agrees to take care of the smog, if they fail, they could come back at the owner for selling a vehicle that can't pass SMOG (I suspect most buyers and sellers are NOT aware of that).

2) Since I was flagged by a SMOG Referee... there was no chance of a back door SMOG cert. They were watching the vehicle via their computers

3) The only way I could recover any of my money was to sell it in AZ. A guy bought it at a bargain and was THRILLED at the purchase..

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