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Old 09-09-2017, 12:00 PM
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Oil Leak

Wife's 2015 JKU.

We had an oil leak that I first saw dripping from the power steering bracket. Dealer said it was the timing cover and replaced.

After that we had a lot of problems due to sloppy work - missing bolts, misrouted wiring harnesses, a new oil leak that came from a forgotten PCV valve O ring. We've been back to the dealer several times, and now about 3 weeks later all the new problems seem fixed but the original oil leak is back.

Any idea where this could be coming from?

We are headed back to the second dealer next week (will be our 6th visit overall) and I want to go in armed with a bit more knowledge. The first dealer did put dye in the oil, but I've searched with a UV light and can't find the leak source.

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Got it all fixed and wanted to document it here in case anyone sees a similar leak. And I wanted to give a warning and a recommendation.

It was from the timing cover. It seems that when the first tech replaced the timing cover, he did a sloppy RTV job and recreated the same leak in the same place.

Here's a fun list of what the first tech did wrong:
  • Recreated the leak he was fixing.
  • Misrouted wiring harnesses - left several hanging and some pushed up against hot components.
  • Lost 5 bolts and 4 nuts.
  • Broke the purge solenoid bracket.
  • Forgot the O ring in the PCV valve creating a second leak.
  • Broke the heater supply and return lines, and when replacing them forgot to bolt them down (2 of the missing bolts were here).
  • Poured coolant and oil everywhere. Seriously, all over everything. I found coolant footprints on the bumper. Oil soaked heat shield. Just... argh.
  • Left RTV everywhere. I even found some on the transmission breather and on the bumper.

This was over several visits to the dealer. We eventually left when the dealer became rude about us demanding a fix. The service manager, sitting in his office chair, said to us "What leak? I don't see a leak. Come back in four days."

It took a tech at the second dealership 2 visits to find everything that was messed up.


So our recommendation is to stay away from Kings Jeep in Cincinnati. Or for that manner, anything owned by the Kenwood Dealer Group.

Thankfully the second dealer, Jake Sweeney, did an amazing job for us. Enough to earn all of our business from now on.
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Glad you got it finally fixed and for calling out the poor service at Kings jeep and the good work at Jake Sweeney.

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Old 10-02-2017, 08:14 PM   #4
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Yup, I responded yesterday to another post on work done by the person, my same feelings. The person had an issue with work done on door panels, got it back and things didn't seem to be lined up correctly. These dealers have some "shabby" mechanics working on our vehicles, something at times we all depend on, but you really got to look at the work that has been performed. I've been driving since the 70's, and had some really bad Dealership work done at times, that actually the tech. that performed the work should have been dismissed no questions asked. This isn't nothing new, cheap labor, no drive to do quality work, and a high turn over of these Techs. We all suffer... Unfortunately, sometimes we have to depend on the Dealers to help us out, you get sub-standard work. It just depends on where you have you vehicle serviced at. My suggestion, is to make sure you take Pictures to document the issues you have before you take it in. Then after work is done, if you have a picture, your back is covered..
Back in the "Day, you had good mechanics that really put their heart into their work,and made it correct, today?? Just my opinion.....
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I actually just went through this nightmare too.... first 2-3 trips it was a leaky power steering line... then turns out the same powersteering bracket location you posted I had oil aswell. they redid the timing cover, got the jeep back and literally underneath was COVERED in coolant/ oil and powersteering fluid. unbelieveable. and after paying 2 shops to detail the engine bay and underneath I still deal with smells of coolant. so it seems like its still leaking.
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Yup, I responded yesterday to another post on work done by the person, my same feelings. The person had an issue with work done on door panels, got it back and things didn't seem to be lined up correctly. These dealers have some "shabby" mechanics working on our vehicles, something at times we all depend on, but you really got to look at the work that has been performed. I've been driving since the 70's, and had some really bad Dealership work done at times, that actually the tech. that performed the work should have been dismissed no questions asked. This isn't nothing new, cheap labor, no drive to do quality work, and a high turn over of these Techs. We all suffer... Unfortunately, sometimes we have to depend on the Dealers to help us out, you get sub-standard work. It just depends on where you have you vehicle serviced at. My suggestion, is to make sure you take Pictures to document the issues you have before you take it in. Then after work is done, if you have a picture, your back is covered..
Back in the "Day, you had good mechanics that really put their heart into their work,and made it correct, today?? Just my opinion.....
I actually did this. I kept a timeline of all the visits, took pics and videos, and opened up a case with FCA.

Thankfully, we were lucky enough to find an amazing tech at the 2nd dealer we went to. This guy was great, and pulled me in to look over everything with him. I worry that he is the only competent dealer tech in the city. If he ever leaves the job I don't who we would go to.
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I actually just went through this nightmare too.... first 2-3 trips it was a leaky power steering line... then turns out the same powersteering bracket location you posted I had oil aswell. they redid the timing cover, got the jeep back and literally underneath was COVERED in coolant/ oil and powersteering fluid. unbelieveable. and after paying 2 shops to detail the engine bay and underneath I still deal with smells of coolant. so it seems like its still leaking.
I hope yours is just from some missed spill. Hard to tell what's leaking and what's not when they splash fluids everywhere.

I was amazed when I saw the shop foreman at the 1st dealer didn't even use a funnel to add coolant. Went everywhere. I cleaned out the engine bay pretty good, and the smells from the coolant I couldn't reach are slowly fading.

Still, I'm keeping a close eye out for leaks we may have missed. Best we can figure out is it's still burping out a little air. I've heard that can take a lot of time. The coolant level was dropping but seems to be holding steady now.
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yeah it seems like my overflow tank? is dropping CONSIDERLY its way below the min mark... so its either leaking out or going else where!?
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yeah it seems like my overflow tank? is dropping CONSIDERLY its way below the min mark... so its either leaking out or going else where!?
If coolant is leaking into the engine, the exhaust should have a white smoke to it. If it's leaking anywhere else, it could be burning off.

First, check for drips. Sometimes these pool in the front air dam and never reach the ground.

Then look at the thermostat for any pink residue. Also look for any pink residue at the corners of the radiator. If there is a radiator leak, good chance you'll see it in the corners where the plastic meets the aluminum.

My favorite trick is a UV inspection light. I got one off Amazon so I could look for the dye the dealer put in the oil. Turns out coolant glows in UV too. You can even see it more clearly if you get the light that comes with the yellow glasses.

Use that light in a darkish garage and check everywhere. You'll see all dried and wet coolant. That's how I found the coolant footprints on the bumper.

If it's a slow leak, and you can't find it, wait a while. There might just be air in the coolant working it's way out. If that's the case, the drop will slow down and eventually stop.

And of course, if you need to add any coolant, make sure it's the right one. Mix coolants and watch everything gum up. Several threads about that around here.
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It makes me sick to think of bringing a vehicle in for service or warranty work. You'd think/hope techs that specialize in working only on Chrysler products would know how to do the job right, the first time. Sadly that isn't always the case. I'm glad to hear things worked out OK.
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so I poked around tonight didn't see anything noticeable other than my overflow tank almost bone dry... so I let the car cool for a while, popped the cap and HOLY HELL it came spewing out like they overfilled it by half a gallon?! there was light to little pressure upon releasing the cap but not a WAM. I'm starting to think theres a clog? or its not fully working 100%? I don't have any over heating issues, no smoke. I did notice on a 5500 mile jeep the coolant looked merky? not a pure clean coolant. like my other vehicles do. almost seems like its becoming contaminated.
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so I poked around tonight didn't see anything noticeable other than my overflow tank almost bone dry... so I let the car cool for a while, popped the cap and HOLY HELL it came spewing out like they overfilled it by half a gallon?! there was light to little pressure upon releasing the cap but not a WAM. I'm starting to think theres a clog? or its not fully working 100%? I don't have any over heating issues, no smoke. I did notice on a 5500 mile jeep the coolant looked merky? not a pure clean coolant. like my other vehicles do. almost seems like its becoming contaminated.
If you're not overheating, I don't think there's a clog. Maybe you opened the radiator cap when it was still too warm internally - that would cause overflow. Murky looking coolant in the overfill sounds about right, but maybe post a picture?

Most people like the coolant level to be an inch or two over the Min line. If the reservoir is dry I'd say add some. You can mark the level with a dry erase marker and see how far and fast it drops. If it keeps dropping I'd take it to another dealer - you can get warranty service at any dealer, and why give the first the chance to screw up again.
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Phynal, What dealership were you at ? So we all know not to go there?
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This is why I love Jeep owners! They keep folks informed and will call out dealers appropriately. I am reminded however, if you ever look on a dealers web site and see some of the service techs......they look like they are 16 years old and you have to wonder what their life experiences are as a mech!!!!!! One would think even if a newbie with no experience wanted to come on and work as a mech the dealer would send them to a school that is certified for a few months of learning and invest in these people. Maybe they do and maybe they don't. I have never asked. But once again OP, thanks for posting, even though I live nowhere near it is good to know.
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Phynal, What dealership were you at ? So we all know not to go there?
They sated Kings Jeep in Cincinnati was the culprit.
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They sated Kings Jeep in Cincinnati was the culprit.
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Phynal, What dealership were you at ? So we all know not to go there?
As @TRADSLLC said, Kings Jeep in Cincinnati.

The dealer that helped us out (and did an amazing job) was Jake Sweeney Jeep in Tri County. They have an amazing Jeep tech, and worked hard to get the repairs done. Definitely recommended.
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Glad everything worked out. Everyone needs a good jeep mechanic.
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