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Old 11-21-2019, 09:55 AM
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Oil Leak dealer cant find cause

This is the third time the dealer has tried to fix my issue.
When we bought the jeep in September i had two things i wanted done before i purchased our 2017 Willys JKU. New tires and fix the leak under the engine.



First round:
New tires done
Dealer calls and says it was the power steering leaking so they are going to replace that. I said the oil was brown not red it should not be power steering. Replaced power steering cleaned it all up.


24 days later i find a drip on the garage floor, leak from same exact spot, take it back to dealer, they clean it up, put dye in the oil, and drive it around and actually send the jeep home with one of their mechanics over the weekend. So a week later they tell me to pick it up and drive it. I say ok.



Yesterday i drop it off again, and say its leaking use your black light or whatever you do and find the leak. I get a call last night and they said its the power steering bolt, they see nothing else, i told them is there oil jackets or something oil runs through behind the power steering pump? He says yes????? so they sealed up the bolt and the mechanic took it home again last night to put some miles on it.




My question is, all the videos i have seen there is nothing oil related behind the power steering pump, so how are they going to seal a bolt and say its fixed.


Here is a picture of the leak, all the pics are the same exact spot. Looking up under the jeep at the power steering pump.


Has anyone ever dealt with this before? what is everyones thoughts?

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Looks like the dealer lacks the ability to locate and fix it. He is just going to hope you get tired and just live with it. Just like with Doctors, perhaps a 2nd opinion is needed.
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We had that leak. For us it was the timing chain cover. Here's my post about it.

I'm concerned, though, that your dealer couldn't find it. If there are any other dealers in your area, I'd have them check it.
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I had that leak also. Its not the steering pump.
There is a weak spot behind the steering pump braket where the head meets the block and chain cover (in my case) . Probably during assembly the robot applied less rtv.
Good news are that there is no high pressure oil galley in that area just oil splashes from the chain.
On some motors the bolts where drilled to dip into the head/block and is sufficent just to seal the threads to stop the leak.
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I'm 100% positive that is a timing cover leak and it is 100% an FCA assembly failure. (Just like @Lemotan and @Phynal said).

I bought a used 2017 that was just out of the 60k warranty (about 3k out) and Chrysler refused to cover it. (....to add insult to injury, I found that the previous two owners had it noted multiple times at a dealer while it was still under warranty and for whatever reason it wasn't fixed). The guy I bought it from not only failed to disclose it but also covered it up when I found a puddle under the jeep on the first drive after purchase. (I found two separate documents with the guy's name on it along with some youtube history from him researching "leaks" before he sold it to me. Seriously pissed me off.

After explaining to FCA in an email about a month or so ago ( Didn't know about @JeepCares on here being a new owner and right out of the gate dealing with a big problem like this... ) I was really hoping they would have just stepped up and "did the right thing" because it was obvious it had been leaking a long time. Nope. Didn't report it in time! Too bad, please play again.

Anyway, I paid a local mechanic out of pocket to pull it apart and reseal it.

It's about a 5-6 hour job by someone that knows what they are doing. If you have some mileage on your Jeep, I would recommend also doing upper and lower intake manifold gaskets, valve cover gasket on that side, spark plugs, PCV valve and the 5 o-orings for the oil cooler (along with an antifreeze flush). You'll be in there anyway, way so other than parts, it shouldn't cost you any additional labor (maybe an hour or so).

That somewhat common leak is a fire hazard and should have been covered under a recall or extended warranty of some sort since it's both a safety issue as well as an assembly problem on the Fiat Chrysler's part.

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100% positive that is a timing cover leak and is 100% an FCA assembly failure. (Just like @Lemotan and @Phynal said).

I bought a used 2017 that was just out of the 60k warranty (about 3k out) and Chrysler refused to cover it. (....to add insult to injury, I found that the previous two owners had it noted multiple times at a dealer while it was still under warranty and for whatever reason it wasn't fixed). The guy I bought it from not only failed to disclose it but also covered it up when I found a puddle under the jeep on the first drive after purchase. (I found two separate documents with the guy's name on it along with some youtube history from him researching "leaks" before he sold it to me. Seriously pissed me off.

After explaining to FCA in an email about a month or so ago ( Didn't know about @JeepCares on here being a new owner and right out of the gate dealing with a big problem like this... ) I was really hoping they would have just stepped up and "did the right thing" because it was obvious it had been leaking a long time. Nope. Didn't report it in time! Too bad, please play again.

Anyway, I paid a local mechanic out of pocket to pull it apart and reseal it.

It's about a 5-6 hour job by someone that knows what they are doing. If you have some mileage on your Jeep, I would recommend also doing upper and lower intake manifold gaskets, valve cover gasket on that side, spark plugs, PCV valve and the 5 o-orings for the oil cooler (along with an antifreeze flush). You'll be in there anyway, way so other than parts, it shouldn't cost you any additional labor (maybe an hour or so).

That somewhat common leak is a fire hazard and should have been covered under a recall or extended warranty of some sort since it's both a safety issue as well as an assembly problem on the Fiat Chrysler's part.

Cheers and good luck!
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Just curious, what oil grade motor oil you are using? If you know by chance what PO used.
I didnt " fix" mine even though I still have the warranty cause i dont want to open and reseal the motor at 10k miles, later in combination with plugs,PCV, rocker arms and/or filter housing maybe.
I switched to W30 and the leak stopped, there is still a wet area behind the pump but no drops on the ground.
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Just curious, what oil grade motor oil you are using? If you know by chance what PO used.
I didnt " fix" mine even though I still have the warranty cause i dont want to open and reseal the motor at 10k miles, later in combination with plugs,PCV, rocker arms and/or filter housing maybe.
I switched to W30 and the leak stopped, there is still a wet area behind the pump but no drops on the ground.
The PO used 5W20 on the last change (post work, I switched to 5W30 as I'm in SoCal and I run in hotter weather).

I'd suspect that if the right amount of "gunk" builds up in the leaking area it might seal it down to a "seep". I suspect it's still leaking though if you power washed the area.

Mine was fairly bad as you can see by the photos and since I plan to take mine into the back country (which is why I bought the dang thing!) I wanted confidence that I did everything I could to avoid something like this:


I'd bet money Casey's was oil cooler related, though but still....ANY oil leak can be a real problem in the back country.

I'll say that I AM glad that I replaced the oil cooler o-rings proactively (and I also forgot to mention above that I replaced the crack seal while we were in there too...because it was easily accessible). Even with relatively low mileage 60K on the clock and a relatively new jeep (2017 JKU Rubicon Hard Rock) those o-rings that came out were already starting to harden.

I've put a few more thousand on it and I haven't seen any evidence of the leak reappearing so whatever RTV my guy used seems to be doing the job. Honestly, after dreaming about owning a Jeep and saving my money for the last 10 years...this wasn't the first time owning experience I dreamed of and I ended up quite disappointed in FCA's ability to "do the right thing". It was $1700 I could have used on other fun things....or you know....gas and tires....but hey, we work the problem, make the best of it and adventure on, right?!

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PS: If you look at the top of the last picture in my montage, you can see the multiple layers of the leak....it probably started like yours and over a long time it got worse....or....at times built up enough gunk to slow it to a "seep"...

I also think that with such light oil...its possible for the leak to move around and "spread out"....thus....never making it to the ground.....more evidence in that photo....It seems to travel UP and the block landing above the PS pump.....

....just don't wash your engine bay and you might never notice it.

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I'm 100% positive that is a timing cover leak and it is 100% an FCA assembly failure. (Just like @Lemotan and @Phynal said).

I bought a used 2017 that was just out of the 60k warranty (about 3k out) and Chrysler refused to cover it. (....to add insult to injury, I found that the previous two owners had it noted multiple times at a dealer while it was still under warranty and for whatever reason it wasn't fixed). The guy I bought it from not only failed to disclose it but also covered it up when I found a puddle under the jeep on the first drive after purchase. (I found two separate documents with the guy's name on it along with some youtube history from him researching "leaks" before he sold it to me. Seriously pissed me off.

After explaining to FCA in an email about a month or so ago ( Didn't know about @JeepCares on here being a new owner and right out of the gate dealing with a big problem like this... ) I was really hoping they would have just stepped up and "did the right thing" because it was obvious it had been leaking a long time. Nope. Didn't report it in time! Too bad, please play again.

Anyway, I paid a local mechanic out of pocket to pull it apart and reseal it.

It's about a 5-6 hour job by someone that knows what they are doing. If you have some mileage on your Jeep, I would recommend also doing upper and lower intake manifold gaskets, valve cover gasket on that side, spark plugs, PCV valve and the 5 o-orings for the oil cooler (along with an antifreeze flush). You'll be in there anyway, way so other than parts, it shouldn't cost you any additional labor (maybe an hour or so).

That somewhat common leak is a fire hazard and should have been covered under a recall or extended warranty of some sort since it's both a safety issue as well as an assembly problem on the Fiat Chrysler's part.

Cheers and good luck!
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Thanks for the info. I picked it up last night, and i asked about the timing cover and the swear they looked at it, and saw nothing, we will see how it looks after this weekend. We will be putting about 450 miles on it.


If it comes back they are keeping it until i get the timing resealed.


Plenty left on the 60k powertrain warranty
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what is this @JeepCares ?
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We're sorry to hear about your experience. As our team is not mechanically trained, we do rely on our dealers in the field to identify and address vehicle concerns. If you continue to work with your dealer, or seek a second opinion, please send us a PM. We can connect you with a Case Specialist to work with you throughout the repair process.
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Hi barmann88,
We're sorry to hear about your experience. As our team is not mechanically trained, we do rely on our dealers in the field to identify and address vehicle concerns. If you continue to work with your dealer, or seek a second opinion, please send us a PM. We can connect you with a Case Specialist to work with you throughout the repair process.
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Thank you for the response. I feel a second opinion may be warranted. I will keep everyone updated.


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Thanks for the info. I picked it up last night, and i asked about the timing cover and the swear they looked at it, and saw nothing, we will see how it looks after this weekend. We will be putting about 450 miles on it.


If it comes back they are keeping it until i get the timing resealed.


Plenty left on the 60k powertrain warranty
Is there any "visible" repair? or at list a description of what they did?
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I'd bring it to another dealer, there's a leak they should be able to find it.
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Well after a 563 mile road trip the leak is back, their "we sealed the bolt" didnt work. I got in contact with Jeep, and they assigned me a Case Manager. I keep taking it back to the same dealer because it has a 90 day warranty from the dealer i bought it from. This way it is covered either by the dealer or jeep. Im worried if i take it some where else it might not be covered by the drive train warranty. Unless all oil leaks are covered????


Same exact spot, just oil is darker from the road trip
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This is the timing cover. I would imagine the power train would cover it if you report it in time. Don't wait to take care of it though and get screwed like I did. Now that you are in touch with Jeep you should be good to go.

....sealing a bolt.&#x1f3fb;

That said....this is an involved job. You might want to pick a dealer with a good reputation and try and talk to the actual person that will do the work.

Things you'll want to check after the work is done:

Check for the foam piece between the upper and lower intake plenums easily forgotten when reassembling.

Check that the PCV valve tube between the firewall and back of engine is reconnected fully on both ends

Check that the wiring harness that runs between the PCV valve and is clipped to the passenger side intake is routed properly.

Hope things go well!





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Well after a 563 mile road trip the leak is back, their "we sealed the bolt" didnt work. I got in contact with Jeep, and they assigned me a Case Manager. I keep taking it back to the same dealer because it has a 90 day warranty from the dealer i bought it from. This way it is covered either by the dealer or jeep. Im worried if i take it some where else it might not be covered by the drive train warranty. Unless all oil leaks are covered????


Same exact spot, just oil is darker from the road trip [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.wranglerforum.com/../images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
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Being persistent paid off Just picked the jeep up this morning.


But it was nice driving around in a 2019 Ram with a sticker of 51K
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Any pics of the following? Or proper routing on the harness?

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Things you'll want to check after the work is done:

Check for the foam piece between the upper and lower intake plenums easily forgotten when reassembling.

Check that the PCV valve tube between the firewall and back of engine is reconnected fully on both ends

Check that the wiring harness that runs between the PCV valve and is clipped to the passenger side intake is routed properly.

Hope things go well!
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Son of a *****

Now when driving the fans kick on high and the heater blows cold!!!

What did they hook up wrong???
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Now when driving the fans kick on high and the heater blows cold!!!

What did they hook up wrong???
are you getting a Check engine light?


Sounds like they didn't get all the air out of the cooling system. Check if they filled your rad and coolant bottle
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The over flow tank was dry? Then this happened on the highway at 75mph. Windshield wipers and coolant do not mix.



Yes its back at the dealer, had it a whole 20 miles or 5 hours
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Also no codes, just over heating light trying to limp it off the highway.
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Wow... Yeah.... My money is on a belt not being routed correctly on the waterpump, air in the coolant lines or using (and mixing) the wrong coolant (HOAT vs OAT). Hopefully they didn't damage the engine.

It was likely that there was air in the coolant lines because they forgot to run the heat and bleed the system properly (bleed screw on thermostat isn't enough) the Jeep needs the use of one of those coolant bleeding funnels while running heat on high for a while. Probably needs 3 cycles to get all the air out. Mine did.

If the engine IS damaged from the overheat and they try and blame you it's pretty clear from your pictures and the work done that something wasn't done right and you were in an unsafe situation when the car overheated and had no choice but to drive it to a safe place.
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If the rain lets up today, I'll try and shoot some photos and better describe what to look for. Good luck with the coolant issue.

I'm sure all this will work out for you in the end. Try and enjoy your Thanksgiving with your family today.

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Things you'll want to check after the work is done:

Check for the foam piece between the upper and lower intake plenums easily forgotten when reassembling.

Check that the PCV valve tube between the firewall and back of engine is reconnected fully on both ends

Check that the wiring harness that runs between the PCV valve and is clipped to the passenger side intake is routed properly.

Hope things go well!
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wonder if they forgot to put a hose clamp back on. had the same issue after they did my rad. i was lucky the hose did not slip off...
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You need a new mechanic and dealer. These guys are obviously idiots.
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Dealer blamed it on a failed hose clamp LOL.i told them i have never heard such a thing. Anyways all seems fine now, chrysler covered the tow, and seems to be running good. Hopefully all is well now
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Dealer blamed it on a failed hose clamp LOL.i told them i have never heard such a thing. Anyways all seems fine now, chrysler covered the tow, and seems to be running good. Hopefully all is well now
"failed hose clamp"... uh huh.. Glad things worked out and you are back on the road!


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... As in "We failed to put the clamp on properly".
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