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Old 03-16-2017, 12:07 AM
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PSC Steering assist Stage 5 Firm 1.75

I am in the process of totally modifying my 2016 JK (mods below I am ordering this week) and was told I need hydro assist steering since I will be lifted 6-7" with 41.5's. I will say this mod is new to me and I want to be sure this is the right way to go about this and this $2,000 kit is completely necessary. Is there a cheaper way that will work, dont mind spending the extra if its needed. This was a expense that was not in the build so it caught me off guard. I was looking at install and it looks like welding is required, guessing the brackets?

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Dana 60 Front 5.38 W/gusset & truss
Dana 60 Rear 5.38 W/gusset & truss
Synergy HD rear track bar
Synergy HD front track-bar
Synergy front track bar relocation bracket
Synergy chromoly tie rods
Rusty's quick disconnect
Drop Pittman arm
PSC hydro Steering Stage 5
PSC tie-rod clamp
Rebel off-road coilovers (14" travel W/king shocks)
Total inovations hood
Poision spyder rocker guards
JCR fender delete kit
ACE inner fenders
JCR rocker armor
Ace pro series bumper
Fab 4 slant tire carrier
Pit bull Rocker 41.5" tires
Hutchison Beadlock rims (7" back spacing)
Oracle headlights W/red rings
Warn xeon 12,000lb winch W/sythetic rope & wireless
Rock hard 4X4 cage
Rigid industries 50" variance light bar
Rigid industries dual variance pod lights
Genesis off road dual battery kit
ARB air compressor kit.
AFE high tuck exhaust
Top fire furry grill

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Wow! Some build!

Not much help on the hydro assist kit, but I used their pump and ram on my Toyota crawler. In that world you can drill and tap the stock box, which I did. Does the kit you're buying come with a modified box? If so, then the price seems right. Oh, spend the little extra on the gizmo they have to pressurize the reservoir. I ended up making my own, but had PSCs been out, I'd have bought it.

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Old 03-16-2017, 12:18 AM
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Wow! Some build!

Not much help on the hydro assist kit, but I used their pump and ram on my Toyota crawler. In that world you can drill and tap the stock box, which I did. Does the kit you're buying come with a modified box? If so, then the price seems right. Oh, spend the little extra on the gizmo they have to pressurize the reservoir. I ended up making my own, but had PSCs been out, I'd have bought it.

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thanks, I decided to just do the build all at once. Yep, comes with new built box.
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Will it be a trailer queen, or will it see some highway? I'm just wondering why the choice of radial Rockers over 42" bias ply ones.

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Yes, you could do it cheaper but why ? do the right thing, get the best and you wont have any problems. You don't need it if it's a mall crawler but if I was doing what you are doing to your Jeep, it would mean I plan on doing the Hammers with it. If you plan on rock crawling with it, when you tires get bound up on big rocks, your stock steering box will be over taxed. The hydro assist takes all the stress off the box. I have PSC assist on one of my Jeeps that has 38 x 14.5" tires. When I'm driving, the steering doesn't even feel like I have big tires. It's a pleasure.
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Old 03-16-2017, 12:34 AM
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Will it be a trailer queen, or will it see some highway? I'm just wondering why the choice of radial Rockers over 42" bias ply ones.

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I am going to daily drive it did figured radial would last way longer, Never got a real answer from forums other than the bias ply would be bad choice for daily driving. If that is not the case I will switch.
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Yes, you could do it cheaper but why ? do the right thing, get the best and you wont have any problems. You don't need it if it's a mall crawler but if I was doing what you are doing to your Jeep, it would mean I plan on doing the Hammers with it. If you plan on rock crawling with it, when you tires get bound up on big rocks, your stock steering box will be over taxed. The hydro assist takes all the stress off the box. I have PSC assist on one of my Jeeps that has 38 x 14.5" tires. When I'm driving, the steering doesn't even feel like I have big tires. It's a pleasure.
exactly the post I needed, I didn't go cheap on anything in this build so not doing it here. I just wanted to confirm this was a good kit and it was actually needed. I am going to take this jeep to the limit so this is needed then.
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If you finished your Jeep without it and drove it, then you installed it, You would say it's the single best thing you have done. What are you doing for an engine, stock ?
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I see no mention of Reid knuckles, Artec high steer arms in double sheer. Don't like the drop pitman either. Better off raising the other side.
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I am going to daily drive it did figured radial would last way longer, Never got a real answer from forums other than the bias ply would be bad choice for daily driving. If that is not the case I will switch.
Radials are the ticket, then. I run bias Rockers on my 4runner, and they are awful on the street.

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I see no mention of Reid knuckles, Artec high steer arms in double sheer. Don't like the drop pitman either. Better off raising the other side.
If its not to much trouble can you link me what your referring to? Little pissed shop didn't mention this. what coilovers are your running in that pic? EVO or rebel?

Really appreciate the info.
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If you finished your Jeep without it and drove it, then you installed it, You would say it's the single best thing you have done. What are you doing for an engine, stock ?
I considered a RIPP supercharger, but have heard more bad than good so knocked it off the list. For now it will be stock except, tune, exhaust intake. If am leaning towards a Ls swap over hemi in the future.

I will 100% get the PSC KIT, needed real opinions and that's what I got plus a lot of other useful info.

I will say I am a bit concerned with the stock motor turning these tires. Will trail mainly, for rick crawling I will have to have something with more torque, wish I could put my BMW motor in. This jeep I used to have (900whp) lol! .
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With the Dana 60 front you will not need the synergy trackbar relocation bracket just the trackbar will do as the trackbar mount on the axle is already raised. You will also not need the dropped pitman arm. The psc kit will be very necessary for those tires. Another option is the redneck ram by WTO. I've been using this system for 3 years with no problems but for running 41s I would go with the psc kit. Make sure to pick up a cooler to run with that kit
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The coil overs are King and this is my 1961 Willys station wagon. You should look at pirate 4x4 for hardcore info. I don't have Reids knuckles but maybe someday I'll need them. The frame on the Willys is from a K5 Blazer so the kit I was able to install on it was designed by ORD. The ORD kit did include the King coil overs. Here is a picture of my Artec high steer arms on my D 60 they not only raise the tie rod and drag link but it bolts to the knuckle making a much stronger connection.There are many companies who make high steer arms but I believe Artec makes the best ones. They are also the most expensive. If you are geared right, you should have plenty of power off road with the stock engine, It may be marginal on road. I wouldn't ever install a Ripp supercharger, I think they limit how long your engine will last. I wish Dirtman would chime in here, he knows this stuff much more than I do.
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With the Dana 60 front you will not need the synergy trackbar relocation bracket just the trackbar will do as the trackbar mount on the axle is already raised. You will also not need the dropped pitman arm. The psc kit will be very necessary for those tires. Another option is the redneck ram by WTO. I've been using this system for 3 years with no problems but for running 41s I would go with the psc kit. Make sure to pick up a cooler to run with that kit
never even thought of the bracket being already being raised. No dropped pitman arm needed?

What cooler are you referring to?

Appreciate the info
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The coil overs are King and this is my 1961 Willys station wagon. You should look at pirate 4x4 for hardcore info. I don't have Reids knuckles but maybe someday I'll need them. The frame on the Willys is from a K5 Blazer so the kit I was able to install on it was designed by ORD. The ORD kit did include the King coil overs. Here is a picture of my Artec high steer arms on my D 60 they not only raise the tie rod and drag link but it bolts to the knuckle making a much stronger connection.There are many companies who make high steer arms but I believe Artec makes the best ones. They are also the most expensive. If you are geared right, you should have plenty of power off road with the stock engine, It may be marginal on road. I wouldn't ever install a Ripp supercharger, I think they limit how long your engine will last. I wish Dirtman would chime in here, he knows this stuff much more than I do.
I am not a fan of supercharger's in general either. I use to fabricate turbo systems on another platform I was in.

My coilovers use king shocks as well.
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I am in the process of totally modifying my 2016 JK (mods below I am ordering this week) and was told I need hydro assist steering since I will be lifted 6-7" with 41.5's. I will say this mod is new to me and I want to be sure this is the right way to go about this and this $2,000 kit is completely necessary. Is there a cheaper way that will work, dont mind spending the extra if its needed. This was a expense that was not in the build so it caught me off guard. I was looking at install and it looks like welding is required, guessing the brackets?

Mods:

Dana 60 Front 5.38 W/gusset & truss
Dana 60 Rear 5.38 W/gusset & truss
Synergy HD rear track bar
Synergy HD front track-bar
Synergy front track bar relocation bracket
Synergy chromoly tie rods
Rusty's quick disconnect
Drop Pittman arm
PSC hydro Steering Stage 5
PSC tie-rod clamp
Rebel off-road coilovers (14" travel W/king shocks)
Total inovations hood
Poision spyder rocker guards
JCR fender delete kit
ACE inner fenders
JCR rocker armor
Ace pro series bumper
Fab 4 slant tire carrier
Pit bull Rocker 41.5" tires
Hutchison Beadlock rims (7" back spacing)
Oracle headlights W/red rings
Warn xeon 12,000lb winch W/sythetic rope & wireless
Rock hard 4X4 cage
Rigid industries 50" variance light bar
Rigid industries dual variance pod lights
Genesis off road dual battery kit
ARB air compressor kit.
AFE high tuck exhaust
Top fire furry grill
Considering the coin you're putting into it now, what's another 2 g's?
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With the Dana 60 front you will not need the synergy trackbar relocation bracket just the trackbar will do as the trackbar mount on the axle is already raised. You will also not need the dropped pitman arm. The psc kit will be very necessary for those tires. Another option is the redneck ram by WTO. I've been using this system for 3 years with no problems but for running 41s I would go with the psc kit. Make sure to pick up a cooler to run with that kit
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never even thought of the bracket being already being raised. No dropped pitman arm needed?

What cooler are you referring to?

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Correct. The ultimate dana 60 front axle assembly is already set up for high steer both at the trackbar bracket and the knuckle so you will not need a new raised bracket or a dropped pitman arm. This is the cooler I run
https://www.amazon.com/Derale-13253-.../dp/B004XONQO6
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Considering the coin you're putting into it now, what's another 2 g's?
was trying to stay in th 40K mark, this puts it over but I agree lol!
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Correct. The ultimate dana 60 front axle assembly is already set up for high steer both at the trackbar bracket and the knuckle so you will not need a new raised bracket or a dropped pitman arm. This is the cooler I run
https://www.amazon.com/Derale-13253-.../dp/B004XONQO6
I found this cooler but if yours works with my kit no need to spend double.

PSC Steering - PSC Steering Cooler and Mount Bracket Kit - PSC-MBC100K | 4WheelParts.com

Where did you mount your cooler since its round?
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I found this cooler but if yours works with my kit no need to spend double.

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Where did you mount your cooler since its round?
Eh. I prefer the single pass aluminum heatsink style coolers for two reasons. First its small and compact design that doesn't cover your radiator much when mounted. Second when it comes to your power steering lines I prefer the least amount of restriction, bends and turns as possible when it comes to fluid flow. The single pass cooler is a straight through design that splices easily into the return line. Like I said my set up has worked great for me for a few years now and my fluid hasn't overheated once even while rock crawling in the dead of summer. Some guys like the dual pass cooler as well and im sure it works fine but the single pass with fittings on each side make for a cleaner installation
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Here is a pic from when I did my install

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Eh. I prefer the single pass aluminum heatsink style coolers for two reasons. First its small and compact design that doesn't cover your radiator much when mounted. Second when it comes to your power steering lines I prefer the least amount of restriction, bends and turns as possible when it comes to fluid flow. The single pass cooler is a straight through design that splices easily into the return line. Like I said my set up has worked great for me for a few years now and my fluid hasn't overheated once even while rock crawling in the dead of summer. Some guys like the dual pass cooler as well and im sure it works fine but the single pass with fittings on each side make for a cleaner installation
all very good points.
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