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Old 10-11-2017, 06:59 PM
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Received quote for my lift from 4 wheel parts. Need help

I want to run this by the community, getting a 3.5 lift with 35s, this is what 4 wheel parts is quoting me, anything is want to question or change from their estimate?

rubicon express 3.5 lift R/E RE7142M - 922.99
jk 2012+ exhaust spacer kit - 47.99
suspension kit labor - 600
exhaust spacers labor - 120.00
staightening steering wheel - 96.00
lubes/cleaners/hdw - 84.66
procomp 7032-7973 x5 (17x9) - 709.95
1/2 spline 5lug kit - 42.99
toyo m/t 35x12.50r17 125Q LRE MT x5 - 1769.95
mounting/balancing - 180.00
snap-in tpms valve - 34.95
spare tire spacer - 56.99
speedometer calibration (flashcal f5) - 179.99
4 wheel parts extreme parts/labor warranty 5yrs/60k - 299.00
4 wheel parts extreme tire warranty - 129.99

Total 5200 ish

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Only one item is way out of line, straightening the streeting wheel, unless that’s an alignment also. All the other items look fairly reasonable, your having a lot of stuff done. I would not get the parts and labor warranty but would get the tire warranty if it covered road hazard including side wall punctures.
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That kit is missing caster correction. Don’t use their supplied cam bolts.

Their mounting/balancing is a tad high, exhaust spacer install should be included and it’s less than 30min to install. You also don’t need a spare tire spacer unless your backspaced correctly. It’s not even recommended (spacer) to run it on the oem tire carrier w 35’s
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Only one item is way out of line, straightening the streeting wheel, unless that?s an alignment also. All the other items look fairly reasonable, your having a lot of stuff done. I would not get the parts and labor warranty but would get the tire warranty if it covered road hazard including side wall punctures.
Thanks for the feedback, yeah tires/wheels cranks up the cost. Is the RE kit good kit that will not give problems? If not, any good alternatives at that price point or less?
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That kit is missing caster correction. Don?t use their supplied cam bolts.

Their mounting/balancing is a tad high, exhaust spacer install should be included and it?s less than 30min to install. You also don?t need a spare tire spacer unless your backspaced correctly. It?s not even recommended (spacer) to run it on the oem tire carrier w 35?s
Which cam bolts are better than supplied ones?
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That kit is missing caster correction. Don?t use their supplied cam bolts.

Their mounting/balancing is a tad high, exhaust spacer install should be included and it?s less than 30min to install. You also don?t need a spare tire spacer unless your backspaced correctly. It?s not even recommended (spacer) to run it on the oem tire carrier w 35?s
Which cam bolts are better than supplied ones?
You don't want any cambolts they are a poor choice to correct your caster. You want to get either front lower control arms or geometry correction brackets.
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I want to run this by the community, getting a 3.5 lift with 35s, this is what 4 wheel parts is quoting me, anything is want to question or change from their estimate?

rubicon express 3.5 lift R/E RE7142M - 922.99
jk 2012+ exhaust spacer kit - 47.99
suspension kit labor - 600
exhaust spacers labor - 120.00
staightening steering wheel - 96.00
lubes/cleaners/hdw - 84.66
procomp 7032-7973 x5 (17x9) - 709.95
1/2 spline 5lug kit - 42.99
toyo m/t 35x12.50r17 125Q LRE MT x5 - 1769.95
mounting/balancing - 180.00
snap-in tpms valve - 34.95
spare tire spacer - 56.99
speedometer calibration (flashcal f5) - 179.99
4 wheel parts extreme parts/labor warranty 5yrs/60k - 299.00
4 wheel parts extreme tire warranty - 129.99

Total 5200 ish
$600 to install that kit isn't the best price. That is a very basic and easy to install kit.

$120 to install the spacer is ridiculous and most shops include that in the lift labor.

$85 for lubes/cleaners is bs.

Your stock lugs may fit. I've found on most wheels they do.

$180 mount and balance is high. I would order wheels/tires through discount tire and it's free.

Ditch the spare tire spacer.

I would go with a lighter tire than the Toyo. They are about the heaviest tire around.
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$600 to install that kit isn't the best price. That is a very basic and easy to install kit.

$120 to install the spacer is ridiculous and most shops include that in the lift labor.

$85 for lubes/cleaners is bs.

Your stock lugs may fit. I've found on most wheels they do.

$180 mount and balance is high. I would order wheels/tires through discount tire and it's free.

Ditch the spare tire spacer.

I would go with a lighter tire than the Toyo. They are about the heaviest tire around.


Thanks for the feedback, so after some researching for the past hour and advise here:
  • 4:56 gears/labor as im on 3:21
  • Go with R/ERE7145PM instead. It comes included with geometry correction brackets and progressive coils which is a newer design from their firm spring rate.
  • Change the tire to BFG KO2
  • Ditch cam bolts and go with at least front lower adjustable control arms and rear upper adjustable control arms.
  • try to go with brake line bracket instead of extending brake line (debatable?)
    loop in labor into lift kit install
  • discounted/free tire/wheel alignment/balance since im buying new wheels from them
  • wtf is 84 in lubes/cleaners?


should be good?
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exhaust spacers labor - 120.00 outrageous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2CQD68LHSg

straightening steering wheel - 96.00
only if it is an alignment

lubes/cleaners/hdw - 84.66
huh?

procomp 7032-7973 x5 (17x9) - 709.95
on their website should be 603.45
4wp Pro-Comp

When I bought my KO2s at Discount Tire, the extended warranty included the mount and balance

spare tire spacer - 56.99
wait to see what the rim/tire combo will look like, if barely hits, some $0.39 washers will do the trick.
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I want to run this by the community, getting a 3.5 lift with 35s, this is what 4 wheel parts is quoting me, anything is want to question or change from their estimate?

rubicon express 3.5 lift R/E RE7142M - 922.99
jk 2012+ exhaust spacer kit - 47.99
suspension kit labor - 600
exhaust spacers labor - 120.00
staightening steering wheel - 96.00
lubes/cleaners/hdw - 84.66
procomp 7032-7973 x5 (17x9) - 709.95
1/2 spline 5lug kit - 42.99
toyo m/t 35x12.50r17 125Q LRE MT x5 - 1769.95
mounting/balancing - 180.00
snap-in tpms valve - 34.95
spare tire spacer - 56.99
speedometer calibration (flashcal f5) - 179.99
4 wheel parts extreme parts/labor warranty 5yrs/60k - 299.00
4 wheel parts extreme tire warranty - 129.99

Total 5200 ish
If you are going to spend this kind of money, I have a few tips (other tips here have been very good).

- KO2: Excellent Choice
- Get a front driveshaft and ditch the exhaust spacer kit if you want to do it right.
- Suspension labor is out of line, should be in the range of $500 with alignment (which includes the steering wheel). If you are in the Houston area, PM me and I can help steer you to someone that will beat this, pick up and delivery your Jeep to work or home.
- Mounting and balancing way high, should be about $75-ish for lifetime
- Speedo calibration: You can buy your own ProCal and do it yourself along with other neat changes for that price. The ProCal is warranty safe too.
- Spare spacer? You should not be running 35's on the stock carrier anyway, at least not for long. Aftermarket wheels should have enough back spacing to get away with it but might need to trim the rubber stops on the door a smidge.
- At first I thought the warranty was a joke but after thinking about it, 60k really isn't too bad for the price but for the labor cost, seems to me it should be included.
- LCA's are the way to go here, good choice
- uhh, misc lube/cleaners? derp.
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Ugh, this is becoming overly complex, after I had sent them a revision they came back with double the price. Gear change and upgraded lift kit made the noticeable bump, anything I can trim or not need from this list?

I want a good lift and don't want to skimp on crucial areas, maybe this build out is warranted if I'm looking for a more solid build, didn't expect a 2k+ increase in expenses though


***** ALL Zones, Pick Ticket 1 of 1 *****
001 2017 JEEP WRANGLER (JK) UNLIMITED SAHARA
002 OUT THE DOOR TOTAL INCLUDING FEE'S AND TAX $9384.86
003 ***RUBICON EXPRESS 3.5" LIFT & PRO COMP WHEELS W/ BFG KO2 TIRES****
004 ***3.5" LIFT W/ ADJUSTABLE FRONT TRACK BAR****
005 1 1 0 R/E RE7147PM 2285.99 0.00 2285.99
3.5IN SUP-FLEX PC KIT 4D
*** Components ***
1 1 0 R/E RE1132
SWAY DISCO JK 2.5-6IN
1 1 0 R/E RE1157
S/B END LINKS RR JK 3.5+
1 1 0 R/E RE1371P
JK 3.5IN 4DR COIL FRONT
1 1 0 R/E RE1376P
JK 3.5IN 4DR COIL REAR
1 1 0 R/E RE1380
2IN BUMPSTOP LWR FRT PAIR
1 1 0 R/E RE1387
JK 2IN BUMPSTOP PAD RR PR
1 1 0 R/E RE15301
RE7123/RE7143 INST PACK
1 1 0 R/E RE1540
JK REAR BRAKE LINE SET
1 1 0 R/E RE1607
JK REAR LOWER TRACK BAR
1 1 0 R/E RE1673
JK FRONT TRAC BAR
1 1 0 R/E RE3751
JK FRONT LOWER ADJUSTABLE
1 1 0 R/E RE3752
JK SUPER FRT UPPER ADJ AR
1 1 0 R/E RE3756
JK REAR LOWER ADJUSTABLE
1 1 0 R/E RE3757
JK SF 2 REAR UPPER ADJST
2 2 0 R/E RXJ713
MONO TUBE JK FRONT 2IN-3I
2 2 0 R/E RXJ714
MONO TUBE JK REAR
*** End Of Components ***
006 ***INSTALLATION & ALINGMENT****
007 1 1 0 SHO 1-4073-1 0.00 0.00 0.00
2.5-5IN SUSPENSION KIT
007 Labor Total 720.00 720.00
008 1 1 0 SHO 4-1002 0.00 0.00 0.00
TOE/STRAIGHTEN STEERING
008 ALIGNMENT INCLUDES STRAIGHTEN STEERING WHEEL
008 Labor Total 96.00 96.00
009 ***RUBICON EXPRESS FRONT DRIVESHAFT***
010 1 1 0 R/E RE1883-385 420.99 0.00 420.99
JK FRONT SHAFT
011 1 1 0 R/E RE1810 79.99 0.00 79.99
JK FRONT T CASE YOKE
012 ***DRIVESHAFT & TRANSFER CASE YOKE INSTALLATION***
013 1 1 0 SHO 4-1049 0.00 0.00 0.00
DRIVESHAFT INSTALL
013 Labor Total 120.00 120.00
014 ***PRO COMP WHEELS & LUG KIT*****
015 5 5 0 PXA 7032-7973 120.69 0.00 603.45
17X9 5X5/ 4.75BS
016 1 1 0 PXA 21184B 42.99 0.00 42.99
1/2 SPLINE 5LUG KIT 25PC
017 ***BF GOODRICH KO2'S****
018 5 5 0 BFG 50022 309.97 0.00 1549.85
35X12.50R17LT AT TAKO2
019 BFG TIRES NO TAX SPECIAL -80.54 -80.54
020 BFG $50 INSTANT SAVINGS -50.00 -50.00
021 ***MOUNT & BALANCE - USE OEM TPMS FROM FACTORY WHEELS****
022 5 5 0 SHO 10-1000T 0.00 0.00 0.00
UP TO 37IN MOUNTING EA
022 Labor Total 0.00 0.00
023 3 3 0 BLU GB-295D 2.99 0.00 8.97
1/4 OZ STICK ON WEIGHT
024 2 2 0 BLU GB-297D 4.99 0.00 9.98
1/2 OZ STICK ON WEIGHT
025 5 5 0 PXA 21131 6.99 0.00 34.95
SNAP-IN TPMS VALVE ONLY
026 ***SPARE TIRE SPACER (TO FIT 35" WHEEL & TIRE TO FACTORY MOUNT)****
027 1 1 0 S/B 3721 56.99 0.00 56.99
TIRE RELOCATION BRACKET
028 ***SUPERCHIPS FLASHCAL PROGRAMMER *****************************
029 ****CALIBRATE SPEEDOMETER, FOR PROPER ABS & ESC OPERATION***
030 1 1 0 SCI 3571 179.99 0.00 179.99
FLASHCAL F5
031 ***RE-GEAR TO 4.56****
032 ***FRONT***
033 1 1 0 G/2 2-2050-456R 216.99 0.00 216.99
D30 JK FRONT 4.56 R&P
034 1 1 0 G/2 35-2050 153.99 0.00 153.99
DANA 30 FRONT JK
035 1 1 0 D/S 708115 232.99 0.00 232.99
D30 LOADED CASE,3.73 & UP
036 1 1 0 LUL LLR-D030 22.99 0.00 22.99
LUBE LOCKER D30 DIFF GSKTT
037 ***REAR***
038 1 1 0 G/2 2-2052-456 219.99 0.00 219.99
D44 JK REAR 4.56 R&P
039 1 1 0 G/2 35-2053 236.99 0.00 236.99
DANA 44 REAR JK
040 1 1 0 EAT 913A589 509.99 0.00 509.99
D44 TRUETRAC RR 3.73DN
041 1 1 0 LUL LLR-D044 22.99 0.00 22.99
LUBE LOCKER D44 DIFF GASKET
042 ***LUCAS GEAR OIL***
043 5 5 0 LUC 10042 8.99 0.00 44.95
85/140 Gear Oil 1 QT
044 ***RE-GEAR LABOR****
045 1 1 0 SHO 4-1025-1 0.00 0.00 0.00
FRONT RING & PINION INST
045 * *Install Front Ring & Pinion* *
045 Labor Total 304.00 304.00
046 1 1 0 SHO 4-1025-4 0.00 0.00 0.00
REAR GEAR INSTALL
046 Labor Total 320.00 320.00
047 ***SHOP FEE & OIL DISPOSAL FEE***
048 LUBES/CLEANERS/HDW 89.99 89.99
049 ***4 WHEEL PARTS EXTREME WARRANTY**5 YRS/60,000 MILES***PARTS & LABOR***
050 XTREME PLUS WARRANTY 5/60 399.00 399.00
051 ***4 WHEEL PARTS EXTREME TIRE WARRANTY******************
052 ALL INCLUSIVE TIRE WARRANTY 129.99 129.99
053 ***NATIONWIDE COVERAGE*********************
** Thank you, You Saved $175.50
SUBTOTAL 0.00 8984.45
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@trailhunter where are you located? hopefully some members can chime in and give you a recommended shop to keep cost down for parts.

if you want 4wp to do your lift, that's fine. Wheels/tires can be purchased at other shops too and perhaps a cheaper price. Same goes for regearing.
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In Richmond VA area, I found another shop nearby called Trailtec 4x4, I'll get a quote from them. these two companies are close by. I'd do all this myself to cut costs but I moved to an apartment with no garage space and sold all my tools from a CA> VA relocation
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Also, with the "extreme warranty", if all parts are installed correctly, torqued down and retorqued after a couple hundred miles, you shouldn't have any issues but wear and tear on other parts. Adding the lift/wheels/tires will prematurely wear other parts that are not even covered by their warranty like ball joints.
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The problem here is that there is a lot of basic stuff on there that you could do yourself or with a knowledgable friend and save a ton of cash.

If you just want to drop your Jeep off at a "shop" and pick it up "done", then you are in for a big bill. 4wp is notoriously expensive for easy little things and your estimate reflects that. I am sure a mom and pop shop would have better prices if you have one around to check out.

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OMG, just realized you were in VA. Google OCD offroad. Ask for Scott. Tell him Ken W. from NJ sent you to him. He will do better work and I bet the bill would be 2/3-3/4 of that.
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When I was shopping around for a quote on some work 4WP was always the highest on anything I asked for so I just stopped asking. Their attitude is not so much that they want to work on your Jeep so much as it is that they'll get fired if they don't and also they'll get fired if they don't sell you expensive spacers and anything else they can add on. I think everyone is happier if you buy your stuff there, or someplace like Northridge4x4 where I ended up buying everything for my Jeep, and having it installed by a shop.
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My experience with 4wp is as follows

They opened up a new retail location about a hoour away, so I drove down to see their place in the hopes of getting new wheels and tires for my soon to be lifted JKU and to say I was les then impressed is a overstatement.

Sales person wasn’t knowledgeable, pushed house brands, their $320 house brand tire was on sale for a whopping $10 off per tire, which didn’t include mounting, balancing etc. This made their “sale” price on what I thought was a street oriented all season tire around $75 more per tire then a local store sells the KO2 or ridge grappler.

I wasn’t impressed with anything at that location and will never go back or buy from them. Looks like you are being treated in a similar manner. Find another store

Black Friday is also coming up soon, you might be able to find some really good deals on some of the parts that you need at that time.
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OMG, just realized you were in VA. Google OCD offroad. Ask for Scott. Tell him Ken W. from NJ sent you to him. He will do better work and I bet the bill would be 2/3-3/4 of that.
Thanks! 1:20 minute drive, not too bad. I'll call Monday.
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Thanks! 1:20 minute drive, not too bad. I'll call Monday.
No worries. I texted Scott for you and he knows to expect your call. Great guy and said he would take real good care of you should you go with him. It's a startup shop so it's real small but he knows everything Jeep, and I mean everything. Gear setup, welding, fab, suspension, electrical, etc. Never heard of anyone leaving there not satisfied. I think his biggest presence is on FB so you can check out some of his work there if you like before you call.

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I used 4wp in ca RE 3.5lift with geometry correction brackets, 5x 35 procomps on 17x11Rockstars with 4.3 backspacing, rear heavy duty tire carrier. With parts labor tax out the door. 4,500
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I was reading this thread last night I am in Maryland and I google OCD offroad. I requested a quote from them. I was surprised that in 30 mins I received a called from Scott. He thought I was the guy that Ken W. from NJ told him about. He stayed on the phone with me for about 45 min explain the difference in lift kits. Invited me to his shop. I must say I very pleased I was so pleased that I ordering my Metaclock 3.5 lift from him and lam getting him to install it. Quote he gave me out the door was better than anyone up here in Maryland that I am willing to do the hour and half drive. I would say Trailhunter you should call them
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I was reading this thread last night I am in Maryland and I google OCD offroad. I requested a quote from them. I was surprised that in 30 mins I received a called from Scott. He thought I was the guy that Ken W. from NJ told him about. He stayed on the phone with me for about 45 min explain the difference in lift kits. Invited me to his shop. I must say I very pleased I was so pleased that I ordering my Metaclock 3.5 lift from him and lam getting him to install it. Quote he gave me out the door was better than anyone up here in Maryland that I am willing to do the hour and half drive. I would say Trailhunter you should call them
Great to hear! Scott is a truly knowledgable, customer service oriented guy who does great work. And just a nice guy too. I am very happy to have helped bring him some business. He won't let you down, that's for sure. I work in the industry and there are only a handful of people I would speak this highly of.
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At least that's not as bad as what my dealers around here are trying to charge. They had two JKUs at the dealer the other day with Mopar lifts, 35" ko2s on XD wheels and Rigid Dually cubes on the A-Pillars charging an $11k markup. I was appalled. That also didn't include the $995 they were charging for wheel locks (special lugs) and plastic door trim protectors around the edge of the door.
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Quick food for thought.

Lift: Rancho 2" sport kit with adjustable 9000's installed with alignment - $1k
Wheels: Procomp 7032 - $605
Tires: KO2's, 315/70 $1,150 + $120 M&B
AEV Procal: $170

About $3,050 and your good to go, and this is without trying too hard to shop. I'll bet you could get under $3k with a little effort.
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Not to highjack this thread anymore, but i too just requested a quote from OCD. Wharfrat, you should get a commission!
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Quick food for thought.

Lift: Rancho 2" sport kit with adjustable 9000's installed with alignment - $1k
Wheels: Procomp 7032 - $605
Tires: KO2's, 315/70 $1,150 + $120 M&B
AEV Procal: $170

About $3,050 and your good to go, and this is without trying too hard to shop. I'll bet you could get under $3k with a little effort.
I'm on 3:21s, would also need a regear. Ended up going with 4wheel parts due to their warranty and nation wide coverage, I'm in VA for now but in 2-5 years, I could move back to CA.


Appreciate everyone's feedback and helping me weed out the quote! I'll post a pic after it's all built up.

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I want to run this by the community, getting a 3.5 lift with 35s, this is what 4 wheel parts is quoting me, anything is want to question or change from their estimate?
Looks like they are charging you $120/hr for labor. I know not everyone has the desire or talent to do the labor their self (and a friend), but that is an option. One good thing about doing it yourself is you understand everything when you are finished.

Lift price for what you are getting seems high.
Tire price could be better.

These are just highway robbery:

staightening steering wheel - 96.00
lubes/cleaners/hdw - 84.66
mounting/balancing - 180.00 ($36 per tire - Assuming 5 tires. Seems very high. I think Discount Tire only charges $16 per tire).
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I'm on 3:21s, would also need a regear. Ended up going with 4wheel parts due to their warranty and nation wide coverage, I'm in VA for now but in 2-5 years, I could move back to CA.


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Be sure to upgrade your brakes as well. With the extra weight/35's on my jeep, I've always have to give space ample space for the car in front of me. It will also help in offroading situations.

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