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Old 03-25-2017, 01:03 PM
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RockKrawler 3.5 Flex vs. MetalCloak 3.5 Overland

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I'm torn between these two lifts:

RockKrawler JKU 3.5 Flex System
https://www.rivercityoffroad.com/Pro...RKJK35FS%2DPKG

MetalCloak 3.5 JKU Overland Elite Suspension
https://www.metalcloak.com/JK-Overla...cks-p/7148.htm

I have a 2015 JKU that's a daily driver and only I've only taken it wheeling a couple of times a year. I have 33's on it and a TF leveling kit. I've considered a 2.5 lift before but I prefer the look of a taller lift. I want a 3.5 lift that's in the $1500 range to pair with 35's. Also, I'm starting to get into overlanding, so that's another factor for these 3.5 lifts. There's so many options out there it's driving me crazy lol. But i've pretty much narrowed it down to these two. I'd like to hear your thoughts on both of these especially those who currently run them.

I appreciate any opinions and thoughts!

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Either kit will be good. Out of the 2 kits though I would choose the MetalCloak kit. I like the idea that it comes with front and rear adjustable track bars and drop brackets tend to be better on the road than control arms.

On thing to consider in all this you will need exhaust spacers and probably a new front drive shaft sooner rather than later. IMO with a JKU 3.5 inch lift is the right height just be aware of the additional cost.

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Either kit will be good. Out of the 2 kits though I would choose the MetalCloak kit. I like the idea that it comes with front and rear adjustable track bars and drop brackets tend to be better on the road than control arms.

On thing to consider in all this you will need exhaust spacers and probably a new front drive shaft sooner rather than later. IMO with a JKU 3.5 inch lift is the right height just be aware of the additional cost.
I agree with the track bars. I have considered exhaust spacers as well. I appreciate it! I guess i'll be pulling the trigger on this one pretty soonDo you know if they ever have any deals or specials that come out?
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I agree with the track bars. I have considered exhaust spacers as well. I appreciate it! I guess i'll be pulling the trigger on this one pretty soonDo you know if they ever have any deals or specials that come out?
About the best you can do is free shipping. It's rare to see any of the top tier gear go on sale.
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I just installed a MC3.5 GC. It all fit and was quality stuff. I liked the duroflex joint over the RK. I don't have any long term experience with my lift, just what I could research online and watching the videos MC put out.

Good thing about these lifts is you can add on as time and money permits.
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Did you add anything else that was not included in the kit? thinking about getting the sam one but not sure if I need anything else.
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I added a LOT that was not in the kit. But no it wasnt necessarly needed to bolt the kit on. They were just additional upgrades.

I do recommend getting the rear spring perch brackets they have, The rear springs will bow because the axle is rolled up in front for the pinion angle. The other option I took was to cut off the factory spring perches and reweld them on.

The spring bowing is not limited to MC. Its the nature of the beast, just something you will have to work with or around with any lift.
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Not sure I can vote because I've never used RK, but I love my MC stuff. You might want to add their rear control arm drop bracket as well to get your pinion angle in a better place.
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Seems to be some questions on the nuts that MC is using - there is a thread on the TJ forum:

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f210/be...e-2012986.html

MC has not responded, but said they are investigating. Just a heads up ..
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Seems to be some questions on the nuts that MC is using - there is a thread on the TJ forum:

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f210/be...e-2012986.html

MC has not responded, but said they are investigating. Just a heads up ..
I freaked out and crawled all over my Jeep after seeing that. All of my hardware is good. I'd say 10 to 1 odds MC makes it right.
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You won't go wrong either way, I went with RK on my LJ for the solid arms and is what we install on our JKs when the customer wants adjustable arms more times than not.
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I freaked out and crawled all over my Jeep after seeing that. All of my hardware is good. I'd say 10 to 1 odds MC makes it right.
Looks like they sorted the wrong grade nuts, stuff happens. At least it's not poor design or poor quality. They can correct it easily and they won't let that happen again I bet. If it won't take the recommended torque, that is the first clue and really all you need to know.
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RK X-Factor 2.5" here. No complaints and have beat it reasonably hard. One annoyance is that RK uses a 000 grease in their bushings and it's very difficult to find other than buying through them. But, I will say the suspension is as quiet as a church mouse.
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Looks like they sorted the wrong grade nuts, stuff happens. At least it's not poor design or poor quality. They can correct it easily and they won't let that happen again I bet. If it won't take the recommended torque, that is the first clue and really all you need to know.
Have not seen any response from MC on the TJ site - seems guys are just replacing the nuts on their own. As you said - if you have problems with the recommended torque, it is easy to compensate. However, given what you pay for MC - one should not have to do this. I have been eyeing them up for a 2.5/3.5 lift for my JK for a little while, given their flex technology - but won't pull the trigger until I decide upon what wheels I end up !
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Have not seen any response from MC on the TJ site - seems guys are just replacing the nuts on their own. As you said - if you have problems with the recommended torque, it is easy to compensate. However, given what you pay for MC - one should not have to do this. I have been eyeing them up for a 2.5/3.5 lift for my JK for a little while, given their flex technology - but won't pull the trigger until I decide upon what wheels I end up !
I don't own any of their products, but I think it's a new/isolated incident. Sounds like a vendor made an error and their quality control missed it. How they respond and correct is yet to be determined. However, I have no reason to think they won't come through positively. The fact that everyone was stripping them recently, at least, means the kits are being installed correctly and people caught the mistake. If you had it torqued a little less it would most likely hold up fine too. There has to be a margin of error engineered in to the product. I would be more concerned if the nuts were marked a proper grade and then failed to hold torque.
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matsonian is the MC account so they have responded and it sounds like they're looking into it. I'm not sure how I feel about that thread though, it doesn't look like digger84 the OP ever actually contacted MC and gave them a chance to make things right.

I'll fully admit that I've drank the metalcloak kool-aide, but they have been nothing but good to me and this does seem like an isolated QA problem.
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matsonian is the MC account so they have responded and it sounds like they're looking into it. I'm not sure how I feel about that thread though, it doesn't look like digger84 the OP ever actually contacted MC and gave them a chance to make things right.

I'll fully admit that I've drank the metalcloak kool-aide, but they have been nothing but good to me and this does seem like an isolated QA problem.
Yes- Matson acknowledged the thread 5 days ago, I just stated it does not seem to be resolved yet. I would have gone back to MC directly, but also posted - in case others are the same boat. Not sure I would trust bolts on a suspension if they do not meet spec.

I think MC might be in a bit of a tough here - as I can image there could be legal implications on how they respond ( publicly or not ). I am sure they will do their best to make things right
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I think MC might be in a bit of a tough here - as I can image there could be legal implications on how they respond ( publicly or not ). I am sure they will do their best to make things right

Didn't you read the fine print? You signed away liability when you installed the suspension.
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Didn't you read the fine print? You signed away liability when you installed the suspension.
I have not gotten an MC lift as of yet - waiting until I decide what I really want !

However, signing away liability does not remove responsibility from an enterprise when they deliver parts not meeting their specs !!
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I have not gotten an MC lift as of yet - waiting until I decide what I really want !



However, signing away liability does not remove responsibility from an enterprise when they deliver parts not meeting their specs !!

That would be an issue of them saying you will get one thing then delivering something else. It goes to small claims court depending on the $ limit set by state law. If the lift was installed professionally one generally cannot recoup the installation cost, only the faulty parts cost. That is spelled out in their warranty and other legal documents.
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I really like the ride of my RK 3.5
RK's has made quite a few changes for the better recently. Stronger bushings, rear bolt on TB bracket, better powder coating (yet to see proof) but that was my old beef.
And of coarse the triple rate coils ride nice with good shocks.
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That would be an issue of them saying you will get one thing then delivering something else. It goes to small claims court depending on the $ limit set by state law. If the lift was installed professionally one generally cannot recoup the installation cost, only the faulty parts cost. That is spelled out in their warranty and other legal documents.
If this resulted in injury - then it is a whole new game.
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If this resulted in injury - then it is a whole new game.
I have been through civil lawsuits before as the plaintiff and it is very long and drawn out. Sounds good in theory, but it takes a lot out of a person.

That being said, one should be aware that MC or pretty much most lift kits are for off road use. Some of this probably would not hold up in a civil case, but nonetheless they did provide this information to the end user and will bring it up in court. Here is the fine print taken from MC's website:

"All MetalCloak products are warranted to be free of defects in material and workmanship for one year from the original purchase date. All products produced by MetalCloak are designed exclusively for off road applications and therefore do not have any warranty or guarantee of performance. No warranty or representation is made as to this products ability to protect the user from injury or death. The user assumes that risk. Because of the wide variety of applications of our products, the effectiveness, warranty and longevity of this equipment are directly related to the manner in which it is installed, used and/or maintained. The entire risk as to the quality and performance of these MetalCloak products is with the purchaser. Working on your vehicle can be a dangerous activity. If you are unsure of what you are doing, please leave mechanical or safety critical work to a skilled mechanic. We take no responsibility for how MetalCloak products are installed.

This warranty is non-transferable. MetalCloak's obligation under this warranty is limited to the repair or replacement of the defective parts only; at MetalCloak's discretion. Any costs associated with removal, installation, reinstallation, shipping charges, and incidental or consequential damages are excluded from this warranty. Additional exclusions include product finish, damage due to improperly installed products, damage due to abuse or neglect, products that have unauthorized modifications or alterations, products used in competition, damage due to accidents or other abnormal, excessive or improper use, bushings and other wear items.

Should be "Defects in material and workmanship" for MetalCloak 6Pak TM shocks, DuroflexTM Joints and all other suspension components do not include dented cylinders or bent rods caused by impact or abuse. Shock absorbers are considered a wear item; thus diminished dampening resistance is considered normal wear and is therefore not warrantable."
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I believe this thread has been hijacked and I apologize for where it has gone - I only wanted to give the OP info on what I read on the TJ site.
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Moral of the story, always check that your nuts are secure before climbing on rocks.
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Moral of the story, always check that your nuts are secure before climbing on rocks.
That's why I started wearing a cup on the trails. Bah dum tisssss
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That's why I started wearing a cup on the trails. Bah dum tisssss

Better safe than sore. I am kinda surprised that MC doesn't throw a free one in with the suspension kits.
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Better safe than sore. I am kinda surprised that MC doesn't throw a free one in with the suspension kits.
Yes with all droop it can be painful.

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