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Old 09-06-2017, 04:28 PM
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Rollaway crash

Has anyone heard if problems with a 2016 Jeep Wrangler unlimited sport jumping out of park and rolling away? My Jeep was parked, no keys in it and locked when it rolled away backwards over a bank with about a 20 foot drop and crashed into a busy roadway. No one inside, no one hurt thank God! Basic model, automatic, no power windows etc. E brake was not on, but in an almost perfectly flat lot. Preliminary insurance review saying it will be a total loss. Frame bent and twisted from rear to front windshield. Would love to know if this is manufacturer defect, I can't find any info except for Jeep Cherokee's a couple years ago. Any info would be appreciated! My insurance will probably pay what I owe, but not enough to buy a new one. I loved my Jeep, only had it 11 months!

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I haven't heard of that happening, but obviously the transmission wasn't locked, whatever the cause ends up being. I know many who drive automatics don't use the parking brake, but boy every now and again you find out why all cars have them.

I heard about the issues with the Grand Cherokees. My understanding with that was that is was easy to think you'd put the vehicle in park when you actually hadn't because of the design of the shifter. That being said, I've never driven the newer GCs.

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I haven't heard of that happening, but obviously the transmission wasn't locked, whatever the cause ends up being. I know many who drive automatics don't use the parking brake, but boy every now and again you find out why all cars have them.

I heard about the issues with the Grand Cherokees. My understanding with that was that is was easy to think you'd put the vehicle in park when you actually hadn't because of the design of the shifter. That being said, I've never driven the newer GCs.
You're correct on the Grand Cherokee. We have a 2015 SRT and the shifter is the same as the others, it's a little different and takes a little getting used to. It's like a toggle, so you have to pay attention. The issues have been driver error, not the transmission jumping.
I have a 2012 JKU and have never had any issues with the transmission in it, I haven't heard of any either. But that doesn't mean it can't happen.
Maybe a transmission shop can take it apart and do some type of autopsy on it to see if anything looks odd? It may help with any reimbursements or warranty if its found to have had issues.

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Any cameras in the area to see if someone tampered/pushed it. Sounds very odd. I never had my 2015 do this, nor have I heard of it happening to a wrangler.
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I always set my hand brake when parking. JWL
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1st post, no follow up posts yet on what would seem to be a very serious topic. I'm gonna say this is a fishing expedition.
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Hopefully not just fishing here. Possible that after parking the Jeep the transfer case was bumped into neutral.

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Old 09-08-2017, 10:19 AM
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There was no doubt my jeep was in park. You can not remove the keys from the ignition unless it is in park, and the keys were out. My fiance had to use the keys to unlock it to get back in when they removed it from the roadway it fell into.
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No cameras in the area, but also no tampering. My fiance was still in the parking lot and saw the whole thing (the store he was at was closed). There was also another person across the parking lot that saw the whole thing. It was definitely in park because you can't take the key out of the ignition unless it is in park and my fiance had the keys in his hands and the doors were locked.
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My Jeep dealer gave me the number for corporate Jeep Customer Service, I reported the problem to them and they have opened a report. I got a call today that supposedly a chrysler rep is going to investigate. I just hope I can get my jeep replaced. I should get the loan paid off (thanks to the gap insurance I have), but I do not think I will get the extra $3,000-4,000 difference that it will take to get me a new jeep (I had a $3000 trade in when I first bought it). I'm still waiting for the final word from my insurance agent if it's a total loss. The collision center says it's about $5000 short of a total loss, but the damage is so bad he does not want to fix it because he would not be able to honor their life time warranty on repairs, plus he is pretty sure they will find more problems once they start on it. Frame and body is twisted and bent from rear to windshield. Rag top roof frame damaged and all 4 doors buckled too.
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I would like to post pics, but not exactly sure how. I'm going to try posting the pics from my FB site, not sure if this will work.

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One of the weak links in the NAG1 design is the parking pawl...

The transmission was designed for an AMG 55 Mercedes.

It was always suspected the weak parking pawl was the reason the early Grand Cherokee SRT8 had a 3500 lbs. tow rating.. the parking pawl isn't designed to hold a trailer in park on an incline with or without the parking brake set.

My guess is that pawl snapped.

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1st post, no follow up posts yet on what would seem to be a very serious topic. I'm gonna say this is a fishing expedition.

No fishing... I just can't keep checking or replying on here every day. I work full time 12hr night shifts and have been making many phone calls trying to take care of all this mess.
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I would like to post pics, but not exactly sure how. I'm going to try posting the pics from my FB site, not sure if this will work.


sorry, I couldn't get the pic to post. I have pics of the parking lot, the hill, and the jeep. I can post is someone tells me how. This is the first time I every used any forum's like this.
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sorry, I couldn't get the pic to post. I have pics of the parking lot, the hill, and the jeep. I can post is someone tells me how. This is the first time I every used any forum's like this.
What I do - is go to the site on your photo (the mobile version) and reply to your post/thread and will show the paperclip to add photos. Easiest way to do it if you dont want to host them anywhere else.
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sorry, I couldn't get the pic to post. I have pics of the parking lot, the hill, and the jeep. I can post is someone tells me how. This is the first time I every used any forum's like this.
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@m998dna - dude, thanks! I didnt know that...
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No fishing... I just can't keep checking or replying on here every day. I work full time 12hr night shifts and have been making many phone calls trying to take care of all this mess.
Understood, as you know "trusting" on the innewebs is dubious at best. I wish you the best, and hope that you are taken care of and back in a new Jeep ASAP.
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Driving mostly MTs for my first 30 years of driving, I'm still shocked that people trust a small pawl in the transmission over the parking brake. Parking brake, not frigging e-brake. Sorry OP, good luck with your quest.
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One of the weak links in the NAG1 design is the parking pawl...

The transmission was designed for an AMG 55 Mercedes.

It was always suspected the weak parking pawl was the reason the early Grand Cherokee SRT8 had a 3500 lbs. tow rating.. the parking pawl isn't designed to hold a trailer in park on an incline with or without the parking brake set.

My guess is that pawl snapped.

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I'm guessing that changed since my 2015 Grand Cherokee SRT has a towing capacity of 7200?

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One of the weak links in the NAG1 design is the parking pawl...

The transmission was designed for an AMG 55 Mercedes.

It was always suspected the weak parking pawl was the reason the early Grand Cherokee SRT8 had a 3500 lbs. tow rating.. the parking pawl isn't designed to hold a trailer in park on an incline with or without the parking brake set.

My guess is that pawl snapped.

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If most people could see the parking pawl in most automatics transmissions they would wonder how it holds the car in park. I see guys with lifted trucks pulling boats and race trailers and do not use the park brake. Surprised more do not roll away.
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I'm guessing that changed since my 2015 Grand Cherokee SRT has a towing capacity of 7200?

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Your 2015 SRT8 doesn't have the NAG1...

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Your 2015 SRT8 doesn't have the NAG1...

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Got it, thanks. I'm a parking adamant about using the parking brake in all my vehicles anyhow. My husband doesn't always set it when he drives my JKU and if I'm wirh him I reach over and set it, lol
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https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

Go to the NHTSA and fill this out. I haven't heard of wide-spread issues, but there are over 1 million JK's on the road and the only way to find out if there is a systematic problem is to report.

If they start seeing recurring complaints then they will investigate. It's very possible that in any production of so many vehicles, you are going to get the odd strange defect.
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Parking brake in a AT? I have a 6spd and I never use the parking brake...


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https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

Go to the NHTSA and fill this out. I haven't heard of wide-spread issues, but there are over 1 million JK's on the road and the only way to find out if there is a systematic problem is to report.

If they start seeing recurring complaints then they will investigate. It's very possible that in any production of so many vehicles, you are going to get the odd strange defect.
I filled out the info on NHTSA and when I called the Jeep Customer Care number they created a file/claim and Chrysler set out an inspector to investigate. They inspected the Jeep and got the "black box" data. They said it would take about 3-4 weeks before I hear anything from Chrysler.

I will be sure to let everyone know what I find out, if anything, from Chrysler.
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I filled out the info on NHTSA and when I called the Jeep Customer Care number they created a file/claim and Chrysler set out an inspector to investigate. They inspected the Jeep and got the "black box" data. They said it would take about 3-4 weeks before I hear anything from Chrysler.

I will be sure to let everyone know what I find out, if anything, from Chrysler.
Hoping this works out well for you. I can't imagine how anxious you must feel.
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Hopefully not just fishing here. Possible that after parking the Jeep the transfer case was bumped into neutral.

The response to this reply missed the point.


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There was no doubt my jeep was in park. You can not remove the keys from the ignition unless it is in park, and the keys were out. My fiance had to use the keys to unlock it to get back in when they removed it from the roadway it fell into.

Other_Erik has a valid question. The TRANSMISSION could be in Park (and if the keys were indeed removed it most definitely was) and the TRANSFER CASE in neutral and this event could occur. By just saying the Jeep was in Park does not address the whether the transfer case was in neutral.
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The response to this reply missed the point.





Other_Erik has a valid question. The TRANSMISSION could be in Park (and if the keys were indeed removed it most definitely was) and the TRANSFER CASE in neutral and this event could occur. By just saying the Jeep was in Park does not address the whether the transfer case was in neutral.
Not impossible but very hard to believe - when you think about it, because you have to go through 4H first, before going to N in the transfer case. And it's not a straight down pull to get in to N - you have to move transfer case lever to the right - before going down to get in to 4L.

Still - interesting question.

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