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Skid plate vs Drive shaft

I have a Tom Wood 1310 DS. Was just in the process of ordering a Rock Hard oil pan and trans skid. Fortunately at the last minute I took one more look at the after install picture and noticed it will make the job of lubing my double cardan DS next to impossible without removing the skid. It is already a big enough pain to drop the rear to get to the recessed zirks.

I am wondering if anyone has some experience with the EVO oil pan skid and EVO trans skid? they are separate parts that will not interfere with DS servicing. Thanks in advance!

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It would be doable...but a pain in the ass.

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It would be doable...but a pain in the ass.

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I am wondering; could you get in there if you cut a 2 or 2.5" hole thru the pan? You are greasing with a needle fitting right?
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I have no trouble greasing the Adams front driveshaft with my River Raider engine/transmission skid. I have to get it from the side... the only way to get the inner button head fitting on my JKU's double cardan shaft. The zirk fittings are never an issue.
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I have the TW shaft and the Rock Hard skids and I haven't found a way to grease the joints without dropping the skid. With the extra coverage the RH skids provide over the EVO skids I don't regret my decision or the extra work.
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Removing the skid.

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I have the Smittybilt plates with an Adams 1310 drive shaft. I haven't actually tried greasing it yet but it doesn't appear to be an issue. The zerk fitting is near the front on an Adams (not sure on the TW).

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I did have some issues on the install but was able to get it to work. Here is a link;

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The raised Zirks are not the problem. TW and Adams are built the same depending on the model you get. There are some recessed flat zirks in the center of the "U joint" that cannot be accessed from bottom or sides. The shaft must be dropped in the rear in order to reach those fittings. TW told me on the phone that it was possible to use a flex grease hose and reach up over the top and access them but that usually would require two people. One to reach the fitting and the other to pump the grease. Most folks just drop the shaft down in the rear, which is what I do.

He did tell me however that many folks that have these DC shafts neglect to lube those fittings opting to only lube the Zirks that stick out. Bad mistake and one that can lead to failure. The Adams 1310 have those same recessed fittings. I attached a cut sheet from Adams just to avoid argument.

I was inquiring as to if anyone has the EVO pans. I already know about the Rock Hard skids and 10 or so others. To grease it Properly I need to drop the shft, a skid that does not allow that is not a skid I am going to use, or one that I have to remove.
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Its really not that big of a deal. Its like 4 or 5 bolts. I have a JE REEL driveshaft and Rock Hard skids. It also allows you to get all the crude, dust and rocks out. Rocks and junk will get on the top side of the skids so taking them off it a great time to get it all off. When I did it I found a golf ball sized rock pinched in there. I have a full set of skids and the rock was further back towards the gas tank.
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Its really not that big of a deal. Its like 4 or 5 bolts. I have a JE REEL driveshaft and Rock Hard skids. It also allows you to get all the crude, dust and rocks out. Rocks and junk will get on the top side of the skids so taking them off it a great time to get it all off. When I did it I found a golf ball sized rock pinched in there. I have a full set of skids and the rock was further back towards the gas tank.
I'm debating it. I know with a electric impact (which I have) it would not really be a major deal. I lube this shaft every 3-5K miles and was trying not to make it any more of a pain. Most of the DS companies use the same spicer u joints and I assume the flat zirks are in the same place regardless. An access hole through the floor board would be nice!! I think it is the furthest one to the rear that cannot be reached unless it rotated to top dead center (give or take a few degrees). I've got it down to about 20 minutes now, 10 of which is cleaning the old dry red locktite off the threads of the 4 bolts......
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TW told me on the phone that it was possible to use a flex grease hose and reach up over the top and access them but that usually would require two people. One to reach the fitting and the other to pump the grease. Most folks just drop the shaft down in the rear, which is what I do.

I wonder if a cordless grease gun would allow for this to be done with one person.
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I wonder if a cordless grease gun would allow for this to be done with one person.
Maybe. I picked up high Dollar high pressure hand pump type and all the possible attachments in order to lube our Rk joints. Was not looking to dump more into a grease gun, but who knows. Once I get the skid decision made I may consider it, it is a thought. May go with the
Rock hard and do some torch and grinder mods to it. May just fab my own.....
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Reading this thread made me realize that I need to grease my Adams DS prior to mounting my HR skids. What is the recommended grease for Adam DS? I have a tube of Synergys high temp grease for my suspension & is rated for wheel bearings. Would that grease be OK for,the DS?
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Maybe. I picked up high Dollar high pressure hand pump type and all the possible attachments in order to lube our Rk joints. Was not looking to dump more into a grease gun, but who knows. Once I get the skid decision made I may consider it, it is a thought. May go with the
Rock hard and do some torch and grinder mods to it. May just fab my own.....
I hear you on the spending business, seems like it never ends with the Jeeps. I was going to buy a Dewalt DCGG570B from Amazon for $130 since I have a bunch of 18V Dewalt batteries. I have heard good things about these cordless grease guns.
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Reading this thread made me realize that I need to grease my Adams DS prior to mounting my HR skids. What is the recommended grease for Adam DS? I have a tube of Synergys high temp grease for my suspension & is rated for wheel bearings. Would that grease be OK for,the DS?
Your Synergy grease is some of the best on the market. It would be great on your DS. and anything else suspension related. TW told me on the phone that actually greasing them is more important than the brand of grease. Apparently many folks neglect that service item longer than they should.

Side note, when you lube the spline shaft, do not over do it, watch at the seal sleeve, too much grease can unseat the sleave. If you do just re-seat it with a rubber mallet. It is apparent when it happens and is no big deal, you just dont want to wheel like that. just smack it back into place.
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I hear you on the spending business, seems like it never ends with the Jeeps. I was going to buy a Dewalt DCGG570B from Amazon for $130 since I have a bunch of 18V Dewalt batteries. I have heard good things about these cordless grease guns.
I too have allot of 18 volt and a few 20 volt Dewalt tools, batteries and chargers. I really wanted a Milwaukee 1/2 inch impact, but opted for the Dewalt because of having all the accessories and only needed to buy the "bare" tool. It's a good solid 400 ft lb tool but the Milwaukee has a more comfortable balance and feel to it. May look at that grease "machine" you mentioned.
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Your Synergy grease is some of the best on the market. It would be great on your DS. and anything else suspension related. TW told me on the phone that actually greasing them is more important than the brand of grease. Apparently many folks neglect that service item longer than they should.

Side note, when you lube the spline shaft, do not over do it, watch at the seal sleeve, too much grease can unseat the sleave. If you do just re-seat it with a rubber mallet. It is apparent when it happens and is no big deal, you just dont want to wheel like that. just smack it back into place.
Thanks for the reply. Will be on my priority list.
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fwiw;

A short needle coupler on a flex hose with a 90* zerk on the top works great to get into places standard needle fittings can't.
Here is an example of what I've used in tight places:
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Just add a 90* zerk to the top of this coupler, and plug into a gun with a flex hose.

Just took a look under the Jeep. There is room to get to the joints from behind the stock T.C. skid this way. Will require both hands. One to position and hold the needle fitting, the other to pump the gun.

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Reading this thread made me realize that I need to grease my Adams DS prior to mounting my HR skids. What is the recommended grease for Adam DS? I have a tube of Synergys high temp grease for my suspension & is rated for wheel bearings. Would that grease be OK for,the DS?
Thats what i use ^^
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The raised Zirks are not the problem. TW and Adams are built the same depending on the model you get. There are some recessed flat zirks in the center of the "U joint" that cannot be accessed from bottom or sides. The shaft must be dropped in the rear in order to reach those fittings. TW told me on the phone that it was possible to use a flex grease hose and reach up over the top and access them but that usually would require two people. One to reach the fitting and the other to pump the grease. Most folks just drop the shaft down in the rear, which is what I do.

He did tell me however that many folks that have these DC shafts neglect to lube those fittings opting to only lube the Zirks that stick out. Bad mistake and one that can lead to failure. The Adams 1310 have those same recessed fittings. I attached a cut sheet from Adams just to avoid argument.

I was inquiring as to if anyone has the EVO pans. I already know about the Rock Hard skids and 10 or so others. To grease it Properly I need to drop the shft, a skid that does not allow that is not a skid I am going to use, or one that I have to remove.
Thanks for the education! I'll have to go looking for these fittings. I have an email in to Adams but do happen to know if the solid U-Joints have the same requirements?
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Thanks for the education! I'll have to go looking for these fittings. I have an email in to Adams but do happen to know if the solid U-Joints have the same requirements?
Like Tom Wood I will bet Adams has great customer service and I will bet a simple call will get you the absolutely correct answer. I do know that there are models of the Tom Wood that do not. The typical CV1310s do, I honestly do not know about the solids from Adams.

You may be able to determine it from their website
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Like Tom Wood I will bet Adams has great customer service and I will bet a simple call will get you the absolutely correct answer. I do know that there are models of the Tom Wood that do not. The typical CV1310s do, I honestly do not know about the solids from Adams.

You may be able to determine it from their website
I was going to crawl under the Jeep tonight but will wait until tomorrow after I've gotten a response from Adams (their CS is outstanding). It's a little warm here (114F today) and the evenings are best for working in the garage. Just thought you may know and I could get a jump on things tonight. Again, thanks for the info!
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114 sheesh.....evaporative cooler seriously needed in that garage. That's a crucible.

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