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Old 02-25-2014, 12:19 AM
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Swimming in newb options, could use some help

Buying a Rubicon X (like the options). Red with matching tops and likely fenders. Would prefer black fenders but will replace when lifting. This is a daily driver (25K/year). Used to 4 wheel on farms. Nothing like this. Lot to learn.

MY plans are (open to criticism )

1. Freedom leather seats punched my kidneys on long test drive. Will ask for replacement seats (Sports S) which I found much more comfortable for my long back.

2. Winch on front bumper. Something in the $600 range and likely +7000lb range. Am going to try to use security lug nuts and matching bolts on at least some of the mounts to reduce theft. Good enough for over $1,000 worth of tires, maybe good enough for bumper/winch. Should be strong enough.

3. 3" lift kit. Looking at Teraflex. Frustrating when there is a lot of difference in pricing and difficult to assess value. Looks like labor will be big expense. Anyone know what it cost to have a reasonable 3" lift installed? We are already in the $45K range out the door (PITI ). I'd hate to scrimp in the last ten yards. I have heard these also make for a better daily driver. Just sales pitch?

4. 35" tires. What is risk of breaking axles? Anyone recommend a great all season (snow as well) and off road in this size? Cooper was my favorite before upsizing to 35".

It's expensive to have just one vehicle outside of a helicopter. I have a hard time planning a mid-life crisis vehicle. This had better be it. This should allow me to pull up to a stop and women just jump in, right? If you can think of any additional mods that would remove the need for a full stop, I would appreciate it (totally tongue in cheek).

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3. Consider going for one of the 2.5" lift kits. They are designed to minimize the need for driveline mods and retain good road manners. TF is a good brand and you are right, a lift kit is not the time to skimp on your Jeep.

If you want to understand the technical difference between lift kits start by reading the sticky atop the JK Tech Forum. There is a lot of great information there. The cost of installing a lift depends on the shop and your location. There are so good thread discussing the topic. My guess is $500-$1000. You can also install it yourself. It's not that hard if you have a free weekend, basic tools and some patience.

4. 35" tires are very popular and good balance between on and off road performance. If you like Cooper tires go with it. Other good choices are the Goodyear family of tires like the Duratrac. If you want a more aggressive MT tread there are many great choices.

Reading the stickies will enable you to make better choices that fit your preferences. Have fun building your Jeep!

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Old 02-25-2014, 04:26 AM   #3
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Well you've opened a big can-o-worms! If you are wanting chicks to jump into the Jeep it'll likely take more than a little lift and some agressive shoes. I'm thinking a SC LS swap, at least a 3.5" Rock Krawler kit with 37" tires, a real set of skids, bumpers, a nice Warn winch and a bunch of LED lighting.

Or, you can follow the reasonable advice spinlock gave you.
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I honestly did not read your list - and this is why - no matter what you write here and now, the more you read, research , debate, clip, and doodle - the more that will change.

I don't say this to discourage you, I say this to make you think though. Jeeps are neverending projects, even once you think you are done, you will find something new to do to it, maybe something needs to be rewired, or you can afford a new mod you couldn't before and you upgrade something. Jeep is known for meaning Just Empty Every Pocket for this reason.

After owning three Jeeps, I have learned a few things form each one. The biggest piece of advice, which you'll probably hear over and over, is to figure out what you want to do, and then what you need to do it.

Now that I said that - I read your list -

1. Buy the leather seats - trade with someone that has cloth and a little cash afterwards. The seats are easy to remove in warm weather with the tops off anyhow. I'd trade you mine if you were close and do the work to swap them.

2. 7000+ range is weak, if you are really stuck you don't want weak. Most recommend 1 1/2 times the weight of your rig for the winch, but if you get in sticky mud you don't want to test that too much. Go for a 10k at the minimum. Having a winch cover is nice too, and keep it greased.

3. and 4. - I run 35's with no lift other than the small gain I got from the Rubicon 10A springs. Your set up should - I think - include those springs and be a bit higher stock. If you went with flat fenders and a smaller 35" tire you could go without a lift. I prefer LCG myself, that's how I designed my Jeep. If you really want a lift, I'd look at the 2.5" kits though.

4. Love the Duratracs, lots of people here do. They run a bit small - 33.75" for 315/75/16 (listed as 35's), and they are lightweight, gas savers for a big tire. The reason I say this isn't to sell them, it just is what they are. Running an easy rolling, light tire is less hard on every other component than running a massive, heavy tire. No matter what you choose, take that into consideration.

My suggestion, hole yourself up for a few weeks, plenty of pizza, beef jerky, and beer, Jeep porn like Quadratec for use as reference guides, and start reading this forum ahwile. I suggest the photo threads. You get a good idea of how things look and many people will list what they did so you have reference to that too.

Start with basics - look at swapping the bolts out - https://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/th...ts-128154.html
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Buying a Rubicon X (like the options). Red with matching tops and likely fenders. Would prefer black fenders but will replace when lifting. This is a daily driver (25K/year). Used to 4 wheel on farms. Nothing like this. Lot to learn.

MY plans are (open to criticism )

1. Freedom leather seats punched my kidneys on long test drive. Will ask for replacement seats (Sports S) which I found much more comfortable for my long back.

2. Winch on front bumper. Something in the $600 range and likely +7000lb range. Am going to try to use security lug nuts and matching bolts on at least some of the mounts to reduce theft. Good enough for over $1,000 worth of tires, maybe good enough for bumper/winch. Should be strong enough.

3. 3" lift kit. Looking at Teraflex. Frustrating when there is a lot of difference in pricing and difficult to assess value. Looks like labor will be big expense. Anyone know what it cost to have a reasonable 3" lift installed? We are already in the $45K range out the door (PITI ). I'd hate to scrimp in the last ten yards. I have heard these also make for a better daily driver. Just sales pitch?

4. 35" tires. What is risk of breaking axles? Anyone recommend a great all season (snow as well) and off road in this size? Cooper was my favorite before upsizing to 35".

It's expensive to have just one vehicle outside of a helicopter. I have a hard time planning a mid-life crisis vehicle. This had better be it. This should allow me to pull up to a stop and women just jump in, right? If you can think of any additional mods that would remove the need for a full stop, I would appreciate it (totally tongue in cheek).
I also have a Granite Metallic JKURX on order, but wont get it until I get back to the USA in June. I'm doing something similar with mine! Here's what I'm doing.

1. Not messing with the seats. A buddy has a 2013 Sahara, and I think the seats are the same.

2. Winch- I'm ordering the full kit from Maximus, winch mount, front light mounts, and grill guard..think it goes for about $650. I'm looking at winches still too, but thinking of going with the Q9500 from Quadratec...whole thing for just under $1k

3. I got a good deal for installation from a place where Im moving ( Northern VA) but I've decided to do the bulk of it myself. I have the tools, the place to work, and knowledge to do the work, and it'll save about 1k in labor. True, you're in $45k like me ( well, a little less for me since I went manual and diplomatic discounts) but saving a little made my wife smile. I'm going with a 3" Rancho ( have to go with tried and true) with CA brackets, Teraflex bump stops, and Teraflex rear track bar. I've read enough horror stories about using supports to decide a full replacement is best.

4. Tires and Wheels- If you go offroad at all theres always a risk of breaking an axle. I've broken an axle on a VERY lifted Ford Bronco as well as a non-lifted Dodge Powerwagon...and I don't really think you're at more of a risk with a lifted Jeep. I plan on doing some offroading, and decided on a 16" Mamba MRX1 Wheel with GY Duratrac 35" tires. It'll be my daily driver too and Duratracs seem to have great on road traction as well as excellent offroad characteristics.
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Thanks for the awesome input everyone. Lots of work to do! Seems like the difference between schizophrenic and slightly more educated is hard to see.
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Thanks for the awesome input everyone. Lots of work to do! Seems like the difference between schizophrenic and slightly more educated is hard to see.
It may seem like your drinking from the fire hose in the beginning but once you learn a few basic concepts it's not that complicated.

Some of the members in the forum have put together some great materials from which to learn from. Kudos to them.

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