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Old 06-11-2018, 01:16 PM
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Well what do you know, another Teraflex product and issues.

I installed the TF CB antenna mount for the HD Carrier 2 weeks ago or less. Bolts already showing corrosion and the extra hole in the mount, that TF now leaves with out PC rusted. Cant post pics of that, as I painted it over.

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The HD carrier has been nothing but problems. Original bolts soft and suck, the carrier that adjusts came loose and the mount for the tire got surface rust after wheel was mounted.

Just think, I was thinking about TF Falcom shocks soon. Might cross off list now. Also will wait another year for issues to pop up and talk me out of them.

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Thatís awkward. I have tons of TeraFlex parts on my JK and they have all been awesome! Not a single issue yet. Iíve used their lift kit, flex arms, track bar, brake anchors, exhaust spacers, spare tire extension, steering stabilizer, shocks..... maybe shoot them an email bc they say they are all about customer satisfaction. And are you sure you torqued everything to spec on your carrier? Seems odd to have just worked itís way loose.


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Sorry to hear about your issues. I've run a couple of those carriers on different Jeeps without issues.

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that top hole couldn't have powder coat in order to ground correctly..??..?? Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in.
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Thatís awkward. I have tons of TeraFlex parts on my JK and they have all been awesome! Not a single issue yet. Iíve used their lift kit, flex arms, track bar, brake anchors, exhaust spacers, spare tire extension, steering stabilizer, shocks..... maybe shoot them an email bc they say they are all about customer satisfaction. And are you sure you torqued everything to spec on your carrier? Seems odd to have just worked itís way loose.


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They sent new bolts last time, but same soft material. Sent an email of these and not word yet. Like any product, people have good and bad experiences. Me so far with Teraflex, meh.

Yes, everything torqued to specs. After years of building specialty bicycles and using exotic parts, you learn that everything is done with a torque wrench
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Sorry to hear about your issues. I've run a couple of those carriers on different Jeeps without issues.

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that top hole couldn't have powder coat in order to ground correctly..??..?? Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in.


They older ones you had to grind it off. Now guess PC free. But put clear coat or something or rust.
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Well what do you know, another Teraflex product and issues.

I installed the TF CB antenna mount for the HD Carrier 2 weeks ago or less. Bolts already showing corrosion and the extra hole in the mount, that TF now leaves with out PC rusted. Cant post pics of that, as I painted it over.

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The HD carrier has been nothing but problems. Original bolts soft and suck, the carrier that adjusts came loose and the mount for the tire got surface rust after wheel was mounted.

Just think, I was thinking about TF Falcom shocks soon. Might cross off list now. Also will wait another year for issues to pop up and talk me out of them.

I had two leaks in my TF falcons pretty much back to back. No issues at all getting replacements.
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I had two leaks in my TF falcons pretty much back to back. No issues at all getting replacements.


Leaks on new shocks? Thatís something I donít want to replace 3 times.

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Leaks on new shocks? Thatís something I donít want to replace 3 times.

Still no email back

Yeah... it was irritating to say the least, But hey, crap happens and that's just a fact of life. It's how fast the crap gets cleaned up that counts.... and they were pretty quick on the draw.
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They older ones you had to grind it off. Now guess PC free. But put clear coat or something or rust.
Clear coat will insulate it too, just put some dielectric grease in the hole before you install the stud, should keep it from rusting
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I have that same carrier for 4+ years. It's been perfect. I was missing two bolts with mine and I called em up to make sure I wasn't crazy. I told em I could just go buy them locally and they insisted they ship me the bolts. They overnighted them to me! Pretty awesome customer service imo.

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Well 5 days now and no response from TF. Great service and products again. I will source my own bolts and paint the mount to stop rusting.
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I have been running this antenna mount since 2013 or so and I just wipe the bolt ends off with my finger every so often and they look good again, it is not really rust just some kind of residue, I have not found many bolts that don't rust or have residue. the rust on the antenna mount itself It would take a minute to repaint it but it does not bother me and if it did I would just paint it. You think those bolts look bad you ought to see the bolts that came with my Warn winch and Maximus 3 winch plate.
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Well 5 days now and no response from TF. Great service and products again. I will source my own bolts and paint the mount to stop rusting.
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Well just heard back.
They said bolts purchased in bulk, so guess cant guarantee quality.
Will ship new ones.

Mount they said nothing about. So guess will paint and fix on my own.

I know a lot of people here have hd good luck with TF products. Not me and will probably never if I can, buy more stuff from them. Maybe even nee shocks.
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...well, at least you're getting new ones....you live in a highly corrosive salt water (air) environment, as do I....perhaps that's why you're having issues while many here are not as they enjoy their nice, dry desert air!!
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...well, at least you're getting new ones....you live in a highly corrosive salt water (air) environment, as do I....perhaps that's why you're having issues while many here are not as they enjoy their nice, dry desert air!!


LOL, yes. But never had other stuff rust like this.
I rode/ride steel bikes by the ocean and zero issues. Even with a minor paint chip.

TF powder coat people BLOW.
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I have had the same issue with a few other manufacturers, and here is why:

Mounting hardware comes with a cheap black oxide coating, which is the next step up from bare metal parts. The coating usually lasts a few weeks to months depending on weather/season. Most companies are offering up a zinc yellow or zinc clear coating, which is better, but still has a short protection life(measured in salt spray hours). I am the Quality manager for a military/aerospace/aeronautical company and deal with these things every day. The absolute best coating that is out there is a Magni or Geomet coating, which typically has a silver top coat. It is expensive to plate, but worth it to keep your hardware from looking like garbage in a few weeks. You said the parts are soft, but those button head sockets(made in Taiwan) are a Class 12.9 material, which is a very strong bolt. I have talked to a few quality people within the respective companies that I have had issues with and they just don't care because the parts are bought in bulk, are extremely cheap and often sourced from a third party.
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Mounting hardware comes with a cheap black oxide coating, which is the next step up from bare metal parts. The coating usually lasts a few weeks to months depending on weather/season. Most companies are offering up a zinc yellow or zinc clear coating, which is better, but still has a short protection life(measured in salt spray hours). I am the Quality manager for a military/aerospace/aeronautical company and deal with these things every day. The absolute best coating that is out there is a Magni or Geomet coating, which typically has a silver top coat. It is expensive to plate, but worth it to keep your hardware from looking like garbage in a few weeks. You said the parts are soft, but those button head sockets(made in Taiwan) are a Class 12.9 material, which is a very strong bolt. I have talked to a few quality people within the respective companies that I have had issues with and they just don't care because the parts are bought in bulk, are extremely cheap and often sourced from a third party.


Thanks. Guess I am use to high end bike parts and quality. Never seen issues and powder coating in that world like this plus almost everything I donít works for customers on and myself i use titanium bolts. First time in modifying cars/trucks/jeeps is really.
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I am old but have been in to steel bikes since perhaps the first hand made bikes started coming out (exageration but I bought my first hand made custom bike in 1981-82 a Sam Braxton, and have a hand made Tom Ritchey when he was still doing the brazing and a Serotta when Ben was building them by hand) and they certainly live a different and easier life than my jeeps. They get ridden and then stored inside never left out. Not much on them is steel save the frame so not a lot to rust. Steel is real for frames but for all the parts it has to be some sort of alloy or titanium. I have an Ibis titanium stem on my Ritchey and it could pass as art.
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I am old but have been in to steel bikes since perhaps the first hand made bikes started coming out (exageration but I bought my first hand made custom bike in 1981-82 a Sam Braxton, and have a hand made Tom Ritchey when he was still doing the brazing and a Serotta when Ben was building them by hand) and they certainly live a different and easier life than my jeeps. They get ridden and then stored inside never left out. Not much on them is steel save the frame so not a lot to rust. Steel is real for frames but for all the parts it has to be some sort of alloy or titanium. I have an Ibis titanium stem on my Ritchey and it could pass as art.


Sweet! I was more into modern bikes. MTB and Road and built some of the first light weight MTB and Road bikes before showroom ones lighter.

MTB hardtail aluminum was under 17lbs with disc brakes, road under 13lbs and durable.

I have a newer Schwinn Madison (new version) in steel. It has some nicks in paint and no rust. Supposedly cheap Chinese steel.

Someday will build a vintage MASI road bike. Wish I was related to them 🤪. Real Italian handmade steel.

Would love to build a vintage RITCHEY as well.
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Well what do you know, another Teraflex product and issues.

I installed the TF CB antenna mount for the HD Carrier 2 weeks ago or less. Bolts already showing corrosion and the extra hole in the mount, that TF now leaves with out PC rusted. Cant post pics of that, as I painted it over.

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The HD carrier has been nothing but problems. Original bolts soft and suck, the carrier that adjusts came loose and the mount for the tire got surface rust after wheel was mounted.

Just think, I was thinking about TF Falcom shocks soon. Might cross off list now. Also will wait another year for issues to pop up and talk me out of them.
Try their black spline lug nuts!!!! They become absolute corrosion caps within 6 months!!!!!
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I just moved from the desert to a house on one of If not the saltiest body of water in the US.

I have TF hinge, Falcon 3.3ís. So far zero issues. (Just 2 months down here. But the hinge has been on nearly a year if I had to guess).


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I live in the salt belt here in Ohio. Use a preventative like fluid film. Get your Beer, small cup full of fluid film, paint brush, and some music. Start costing things you donít want to rust


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I'm wondering if the corrosion noted in the OP's pics isn't related to being a combination of different metal materials, salty environment, as well as an electrical ground for the CB antenna... electrolytic corrosion anyone?
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I'm wondering if the corrosion noted in the OP's pics isn't related to being a combination of different metal materials, salty environment, as well as an electrical ground for the CB antenna... electrolytic corrosion anyone?
that is my thought. perhaps a good dose of anti-seize would help on those bolts. Regardless the residue I have just wipes off with my finger. I do use copper anti-seize on those bolts as well.
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The HD carrier has been nothing but problems

The black section of my TF emblem fell off too! Going to glue it back on.


The powder coat on my TF highlift bracket is flaking off due to rust and my bolts look like your pic....going to rattle can them too.


Your pic of the rusty TF HD hinge 5/8" steel pins looks concerning
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Sorry to hear about your issue. I don't buy from teraflex but it could be worse i guess. Just unscrew the bolt and run over to the Depot thread it into the screw thread finder thing and get a stainless one. Problem solved.
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I have had the same issue with a few other manufacturers, and here is why:

Mounting hardware comes with a cheap black oxide coating, which is the next step up from bare metal parts. The coating usually lasts a few weeks to months depending on weather/season. Most companies are offering up a zinc yellow or zinc clear coating, which is better, but still has a short protection life(measured in salt spray hours). I am the Quality manager for a military/aerospace/aeronautical company and deal with these things every day. The absolute best coating that is out there is a Magni or Geomet coating, which typically has a silver top coat. It is expensive to plate, but worth it to keep your hardware from looking like garbage in a few weeks. You said the parts are soft, but those button head sockets(made in Taiwan) are a Class 12.9 material, which is a very strong bolt. I have talked to a few quality people within the respective companies that I have had issues with and they just don't care because the parts are bought in bulk, are extremely cheap and often sourced from a third party.
How do those coatings compare to xylan?
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We have brought this on are selves. Almost every post asks where is the least expensive part, where can I buy it cheaper, I found a knock off cheaper on Amazon, Ali baba, extreme terra, I’m buying Chinese knock offs because they are cheaper, etc......... The vendors watch these and do everything they can to lower the price point. Case in point, now we have fasteners that are sourced in bulk, poorly coated leading to a quick corrosion time line. So the vendor bashing starts, and the pendulum begins to swing the other way. It’s a vicious cycle. I’m glad I was an early adapter, great product, no fastener issues, no adjustment issues, 3 years for this product and no regrets.
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We have brought this on are selves. Almost every post asks where is the least expensive part, where can I buy it cheaper, I found a knock off cheaper on Amazon, Ali baba, extreme terra, Iím buying Chinese knock offs because they are cheaper, etc......... The vendors watch these and do everything they can to lower the price point. Case in point, now we have fasteners that are sourced in bulk, poorly coated leading to a quick corrosion time line. So the vendor bashing starts, and the pendulum begins to swing the other way. Itís a vicious cycle. Iím glad I was an early adapter, great product, no fastener issues, no adjustment issues, 3 years for this product and no regrets.
Me too! I ordered the day they put these up on their site and it's been perfect.

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