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Old 10-03-2019, 10:58 PM
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Thinking of regearing...

I've got 3.73 now and I think I want to go to 4.88 (2017 jkur)


Bearing in mind I'm not a millionaire, I think I'll go for an entire front/rear kit (will be doing it myself). What's a good brand and which ones should I stay away from?

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Go with the real US made Spicer. They are just a bit more than the others but OE quality and US made. R&p is something you only want to do once if possible.


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Yukon R&P. I used their 5.38 gear set in my last Jeep. Set up well and stayed quiet for the 140,000klm I drove it. As far as I know they are still in the Jeep and it’s on the road.
There are a few places that offer the Yukon front and rear set with master instal kits for $600USD.
As for ratio, are planning on moving up to 37s? If not 4.56 is enough.



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Yukon R&P. I used their 5.38 gear set in my last Jeep. Set up well and stayed quiet for the 140,000klm I drove it. As far as I know they are still in the Jeep and it’s on the road.
There are a few places that offer the Yukon front and rear set with master instal kits for $600USD.
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Why spend that much on gears made overseas when you can get better quality for just a bit more? Yukon are ok but you can do better.

4.88s on 35s are a great choice ...better than 4.56, especially if the rig is heavy or driven on hills or at high altitude.


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Thanks for the comments...


I was originally looking at Yukon but then I saw a revolution gear kit on ebay for like $150 cheaper. Just wondering what makes the price difference. Are we talking a difference in steel or is it just a name brand thing?



I'm running 35's right now (34.somethings actually) but 4.88 seems to be a good balance. It'll work with the 35's or 37's if I so choose to go that route on next tire renewal.
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Ahhh yes....


Tricky, tricky!


You have to look carefully but most of the lesser expensive kits don't include the replacement pinion bearings. That would mean you would have to be very careful getting the existing ones off, and you can't grind out the inside of them for a quick fit while testing shims. That's a pain in the a$$!


After you concider that most of the kits come in around the same... about $600 or so. Yukon has a sale going on... their $1450 kit (for rubicon) on for around $650


Interesting though... some sites (amazon and ebay mainly) are reporting that the Yukon YGK015 kit only fits up to a 2015 rubicon while other sites like Extreme Terrain and quadratec are reporting it DOES fit a 2017 rubicon. I don't think there is a difference between a 2015 and a 2017 drive train so I'm not sure why the discrepancy?!?


It looks like a I may go for the Yukon YGK015 kit though. It looks pretty complete. Found it for $574 on ebay (although it's one of the sites reporting it won't fit a 2017)
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Ahhh yes....


Tricky, tricky!


You have to look carefully but most of the lesser expensive kits don't include the replacement pinion bearings. That would mean you would have to be very careful getting the existing ones off, and you can't grind out the inside of them for a quick fit while testing shims. That's a pain in the a$$!


After you concider that most of the kits come in around the same... about $600 or so. Yukon has a sale going on... their $1450 kit (for rubicon) on for around $650


Interesting though... some sites (amazon and ebay mainly) are reporting that the Yukon YGK015 kit only fits up to a 2015 rubicon while other sites like Extreme Terrain and quadratec are reporting it DOES fit a 2017 rubicon. I don't think there is a difference between a 2015 and a 2017 drive train so I'm not sure why the discrepancy?!?


It looks like a I may go for the Yukon YGK015 kit though. It looks pretty complete. Found it for $574 on ebay (although it's one of the sites reporting it won't fit a 2017)
Yes, you are thinking correctly. You want to be able to use the old bearings for set-up bearings by grinding them out just a bit. Good luck.
I am pretty sure I used Yukon gears.....been several years ago now, and I am old!!! LOL.
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I saw a lot of weird year ranges when I was buying r/p gears, including from Spicer themselves. There is no difference between 2015-2018 JK gears except the Rubicon/non rubicon.


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Thanks for the comments...


I was originally looking at Yukon but then I saw a revolution gear kit on ebay for like $150 cheaper. Just wondering what makes the price difference. Are we talking a difference in steel or is it just a name brand thing?

It’s pretty much branding. Most of the gear brands buy from the same Indian or Korean suppliers, though there is a rumor that the “premium” brands like Yukon get the best of the lot. Really, the only difference in the overseas sourced brands is the box and whatever warranty the retail brand decides to offer on it.

So basically flip a coin, buy the lowest price or go with whatever brand name you like best. They all will work well enough with proper setup.



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I saw a lot of weird year ranges when I was buying r/p gears, including from Spicer themselves. There is no difference between 2015-2018 JK gears except the Rubicon/non rubicon.


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Yeah, I think from 2007 all the way to 2018 there is no difference in gear systems... just Rubicon or non Rubicon.


The ebay page clearly states a "Yukon YGK015" kit (which Quadratec states fits all JK Rubicons from 2007-up) yet in the notes sections on parts compatibility it states "dana44, DANA35"


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I sent the seller a note trying to clear up the confusion. I think it's probably a NON rubicon kit judging by the price... but we'll see what he says.
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One thing to watch for, on the rear D44 kit, if you order the complete kit with new bearings. The Rubi D44 takes different bearings that the non Rubi. Make sure they send you the correct bearings for a Rubi. I had mine all tore down before I figured it out. I had to go to a local bearing supply and get the correct ones. I don’t remember which brand gear set I used.......been several years now.
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Screw it.


Went with 5.13's.

3.73 to 5.13... that's quite the jump.

Might be a little low for 35 inch wheels but our Canadian speed limits are considerably lower compared to the US. As it stands now I run at about 2800 rpm on the highway because the tranny won't drop into final gear for long periods of time, and then on the first incline is goes back. I'll probably go up to 37's anyway after I burn out these 35's. With 5.13 that option will be there.


Not withstanding, every one I talk to says do 5.13's if you tow... which I do a fair bit of.



Something tells me though that I will end up having to purchase the Pedal commander! I bet it's going to be impossible to avoid spinning wheels in the Winter without dumbing down the gas pedal.
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Went with 5.13's.

3.73 to 5.13... that's quite the jump.

Might be a little low for 35 inch wheels but our Canadian speed limits are considerably lower compared to the US. As it stands now I run at about 2800 rpm on the highway because the tranny won't drop into final gear for long periods of time, and then on the first incline is goes back. I'll probably go up to 37's anyway after I burn out these 35's. With 5.13 that option will be there.


Not withstanding, every one I talk to says do 5.13's if you tow... which I do a fair bit of.



Something tells me though that I will end up having to purchase the Pedal commander! I bet it's going to be impossible to avoid spinning wheels in the Winter without dumbing down the gas pedal.



Is your front axle a D44?
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I thought about going 5.13 especially when I am above 6000 feet. I also find 2800 rpms to be about perfect as far as performance goes. I rarely need to down shift at that rpm with 4.88's except for mountain passes. If I am loaded for bear and pulling a trailer 5.13s would also be nice as I tend to not go faster than 60 mph, I wouldn't need to down shift as much, but I do get pretty good MPG at this speed. Above that not so good but I am not really complaining as I only dropped about 1 mpg as compared to 4.10's and 35's.
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I thought about going 5.13 especially when I am above 6000 feet. I also find 2800 rpms to be about perfect as far as performance goes. I rarely need to down shift at that rpm with 4.88's except for mountain passes. If I am loaded for bear and pulling a trailer 5.13s would also be nice as I tend to not go faster than 60 mph, I wouldn't need to down shift as much, but I do get pretty good MPG at this speed. Above that not so good but I am not really complaining as I only dropped about 1 mpg as compared to 4.10's and 35's.

4.88 probably would have done it for me too but my problem is I always end up pushing for just one more notch!


Most of our highway speed limits in Manitoba are 100kmh (62mph).
You can push that to 110 (68) without a ticket, so the highest speed around here is about 68.... higher speeds than that aren't really an issue so I figured what the heck. At least now my auto tranny should drop into its last gear without too much issue.
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I saw a lot of weird year ranges when I was buying r/p gears, including from Spicer themselves. There is no difference between 2015-2018 JK gears except the Rubicon/non rubicon.


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The rear R&P for Rubi and non Rubi D44 are actually the same parts only the master install kit is different.
When you buy a “kit” they specify Rubi or non- Rubi it’s due to the front D30 R&P and the difference in Master install kits that include all the new bearings and races.

I do enough gear changes that I chose to purchase new pinion bearings to use as set up bearings opposed to using possibly sloppy used bearings.


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Bob, you may find the revs a bit high with the 5.13 and 35s but you are now well set up for 37s. It will be snappy on take off.
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Bob, you may find the revs a bit high with the 5.13 and 35s but you are now well set up for 37s. It will be snappy on take off.
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I'm HOPING there is enough warm weather left to get them in before Winter. They won't be here until October 23rd or so and we're usually down around freezing by Halloween. It's probably going to be a 2 day job on a parking pad with jackstands and I HATE freezing my fingertips!
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I'm HOPING there is enough warm weather left to get them in before Winter. They won't be here until October 23rd or so and we're usually down around freezing by Halloween. It's probably going to be a 2 day job on a parking pad with jackstands and I HATE freezing my fingertips!


Just an FYI the crush collars on these D44 are a B!$&h to crush with axles in the Jeep. See if you can source a flange plate with bar to hold the pinion yoke while you torque the pinion nut to spec.



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I've set up both Yukon and Revolution gears. I've found that the gear cuts from Revolution were a little better. But nothing wrong with Yukon. Additionally, I like to "setup gears" (especially with JK's) using the crush-sleeve eliminators. After a desirable contact pattern is achieved will I install the crush sleeve for final assembly.
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I've got 3.73 now and I think I want to go to 4.88 (2017 jkur)


Bearing in mind I'm not a millionaire, I think I'll go for an entire front/rear kit (will be doing it myself). What's a good brand and which ones should I stay away from?
Hey there.

Yeah - I am no millionaire either. For me there is always a fine-line between price and quality, and what it will be used for. Knowing that sometimes my JEEP takes me places where help is a 12-hour hike away, I lean toward quality, even if it means I need to save another month to afford it.

There are a lot of things to consider when selecting your gear ratio. The biggest two are where do you put most of your miles on your Jeep, and what tire size are you aiming for? My 2015 JKU-R-HR is my toy, I sometimes take it to work just because it hasn't moved in a month. But I have a little nimble high-MPG Toyota sports car as a daily driver around town. Even so, I must admit that my Jeep is on pavement more than it is off-road. Out here in Far West Texas, the speed limit is 80 (outside the cities)..... you can be running 85 or so..... and get passed by a smiling state trooper. But in the Jeep and especially pulling my little trailer, I keep it at 65 to 75.

I ordered my Jeep from the factory with the 4.10:1 axles, knowing that was not the optimum ratio stock. I knew I was headed for stronger ball joints, a truss and gussets, and 35s. And I knew even though it was a toy, it still would see more highway that dirt just getting to places. Out here, everything is 5 hours away.

The colorful gear chart posted is a really great graphical representation of what you can expect. Look it over, and pick your poison. I would consider what speed you expect to run on the highway, and pick a tire/gear combination to keep that below 3,000 RPM or lower. I personally am running 35-inch BFG-KO2s. They really run right near 34-inches. In my situation, the 4.10:1 ratio meets my needs perfectly. Optimum, with a slight lean toward performance. I do visit Colorado, and I do pull a small trailer. This set-up for me has been nearly perfect, I've never wished for anything different even in the Rockies.

And in the end when all the information is crunched, it is still your $$$ and your decision. Good luck in your decision, I wish you all the best.

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I'm currently in the process of regearing my Sport myself. It's definitely a lot of work, but it will go quicker the more you familiarize yourself with everything before you get started.
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I'm currently in the process of regearing my Sport myself. It's definitely a lot of work, but it will go quicker the more you familiarize yourself with everything before you get started.

Yeah... I've been through all the videos and the back yard hacks. I think I'm just going to go buy a shop press. I can't see myself freezing pinion gears, heating bearings in the oven, shaving the insides of 'fitting bearings' and all the rest of that nonsense. Makes sense just to go buy my own press and save myself a bunch of work-around heart ache.


Some day the rear axle seals are going to leak and those axle bearings are pressed on too. Just more reason for a proper press.
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Definitely better to have a shop press to press the bearings on. A clamp shell bearing pulled (Yukon) is very handy fo pulling the bearings off.

Set up bearings for the pinion are nice to have. Not expensive to make a new set. The front and rear D44 both take the same bearings.

The hardest part is the crush collar.

As for the rear bearings/seals. They are a PITA. By the time you buy all the new parts and spend the time you are just as well off to just buy a set of Carbon Offroad chromoly axle assemblies with seals, bearings and retainers already pre installed.


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Can anyone please tell me what I need to upgrade gearing to put 37s on my 17 Jeep unlimited jk sport. I now have stock everything. This Jeep is for daily driving . I do have a beater For off road do no plans for that on this one.
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Can anyone please tell me what I need to upgrade gearing to put 37s on my 17 Jeep unlimited jk sport. I now have stock everything. This Jeep is for daily driving . I do have a beater For off road do no plans for that on this one.
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The charts above are a good way to start. Check where you are now from a gear & tire perspective, then find the equivalent for 37's.

Of course for 37's you'll need more than just new gears....

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