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Old 07-13-2019, 04:38 PM
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Tire Rotation

Do any of you rotate in your spare tire when rotating your tires? Just got mine 2 months ago and ready to start rotating them. They are 35” Pantagonia’s

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Yes I do, personal preference.
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Wow, there are many threads about this already. Lots of them end up in heated discussions. Many owners rotate in the spare, many others do not. I am one of those that do.

Here's a current thread or why you should or should not do it.

Tire Rotation with Spare Tire involved

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Yes, follow Roadi’s picture above, print it, keep it, and give it to the Tech that’s doing the work. If you are doing it, follow every time. All tires will wear the same,,
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Yes, follow Roadiís picture above, print it, keep it, and give it to the Tech thatís doing the work. If you are doing it, follow every time. All tires will wear the same,,
And you only have to jack up one corner of the Jeep at a time!
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Where I get my oil done (Going to start doing it myself) they only do the 4 and no spare.

Whenever I stop by America's Tire (Where I bought my tires) they rotate all 5 for Free.
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And you only have to jack up one corner of the Jeep at a time!


If you have a floor jack and a couple axle stands you can jack up the whole rear, put on stands, then jack up the the whole front. With all four wheels off the ground it takes less then 20 min to rotate all 5 tires.


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Yes, I use the same rotation as the photo above.
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When working at Les Schwab we do not because since the tire is sitting on the back while the others are being used, it’s wear is different than those that are used.

And this can cause, when it is put on, the others to wear dramatically differently at times, and ruin your tires or cause excessive cupping.

You would replace just one tire because of wear. You’d replace at least two, so why would you rotate in a brand new one when the others are worn past it?
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When working at Les Schwab we do not because since the tire is sitting on the back while the others are being used, itís wear is different than those that are used.

And this can cause, when it is put on, the others to wear dramatically differently at times, and ruin your tires or cause excessive cupping.

You would replace just one tire because of wear. Youíd replace at least two, so why would you rotate in a brand new one when the others are worn past it?
Both methods of rotation are equally valid. If rotating in your spare would cause issues, it would not be very useful as a spare. And if you rotate the spare in it will have basically the same amount of wear as the other four tires. So if you do have to use it in anger you won't have to worry about its condition.
Both ways work.
Many dealerships / shops don't do the five tire rotation because when you have the equipment to lift the entire vehicle off the ground at once rotating five tires is 25% more work than rotating four tires. But when you don't have the equipment to lift the entire vehicle off the ground at the same time (or just don't feel like putting in that much effort) the five tire rotation allows you to easily rotate the tires while only jacking up one tire at a time.
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When working at Les Schwab we do not because since the tire is sitting on the back while the others are being used, itís wear is different than those that are used.

And this can cause, when it is put on, the others to wear dramatically differently at times, and ruin your tires or cause excessive cupping.

You would replace just one tire because of wear. Youíd replace at least two, so why would you rotate in a brand new one when the others are worn past it?
It isn't an issue if you regularly swap in your spare. I do. A lot. Some here think too often. I also measure the tread depth of all 5 tires to be sure to keep wear as even as possible.
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The tire on the back of my Chief is never more than about 3,000 miles less since I rotate all 5 on that schedule. It is even more critical since the BFG LT255/75R17 M/TR (KM) has now been discontinued. So purchasing a set of three to match the spare is not an option.

The position that you don't rotate on a spare because the wear is different than the other four because if you need to actually use the spare and it has still relatively little or no wear on the opposite side of an axle with a tire with moderate to heavy wear it would be more of a problem.
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When working at Les Schwab we do not because since the tire is sitting on the back while the others are being used, it’s wear is different than those that are used.

And this can cause, when it is put on, the others to wear dramatically differently at times, and ruin your tires or cause excessive cupping.

You would replace just one tire because of wear. You’d replace at least two, so why would you rotate in a brand new one when the others are worn past it?
It isn't an issue if you regularly swap in your spare. I do. A lot. Some here think too often. I also measure the tread depth of all 5 tires to be sure to keep wear as even as possible.
People here seem to rotate their tires way more than recommended. So I guess it makes more sense when you do it so often I’ll stick to rotating right before the cupping start and doing less work though.
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People here seem to rotate their tires way more than recommended. So I guess it makes more sense when you do it so often Iíll stick to rotating right before the cupping start and doing less work though.


The point is, if you rotate enough you never get that funny wear and ALL 5 will wear equally even.
Specifically, it is more important to rotate M/T tires more often then A/T tires and A/T tires more then Street tires.
If you wait till the tires start to cup before you rotate itís already too late. By then you will already have weird shakes and vibes. I would buy new tires at that point.


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People here seem to rotate their tires way more than recommended. So I guess it makes more sense when you do it so often I’ll stick to rotating right before the cupping start and doing less work though.


The point is, if you rotate enough you never get that funny wear and ALL 5 will wear equally even.
Specifically, it is more important to rotate M/T tires more often then A/T tires and A/T tires more then Street tires.
If you wait till the tires start to cup before you rotate it’s already too late. By then you will already have weird shakes and vibes. I would buy new tires at that point.


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If you wait till your tires start to cup then

1) you need and alignment

Or

2) you waited way too long.

In my years of changing all types of tires, I’ve never seen cupping that is noticeable on the road or to the inexperienced eye on tires that are within 1000 miles of the recommended rotation date.

Albeit only worked tires for a full year, I’ve never once heard of people rotating on a non 5000 miles basis. Even with MTs we don’t recommend more than 8000 miles or less than 5000, unless the drive gets worse.
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And also, buying new tires because of cupping is stupid. It can be taken care of by a simple rotation or alignment.
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And also, buying new tires because of cupping is stupid. It can be taken care of by a simple rotation or alignment.


If you have noticeable cupping you have lost mileage on that tire. That tire now will wear faster while wearing level again once rotated. If you donít have shakes or vibrations from your cupped tires thatís on you, but that is generally when people notice they have a problem with their tires. I personally change out a full set of tires every 2 years with generally 70,000-80,000klm at which point they still have enough tread to sell them to someone else to enjoy. So just since 2008 my 08 JKU (with 312,000klm) alone has worn 5 sets of tires, all 5 tires from each set just as evenly worn as the others, no cupping, no funny wear. My opinion is you canít rotate too much but you can rotate not enough.
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Do any of you rotate in your spare tire when rotating your tires? Just got mine 2 months ago and ready to start rotating them. They are 35Ē Pantagoniaís
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When working at Les Schwab we do not because since the tire is sitting on the back while the others are being used, it’s wear is different than those that are used.

And this can cause, when it is put on, the others to wear dramatically differently at times, and ruin your tires or cause excessive cupping.

You would replace just one tire because of wear. You’d replace at least two, so why would you rotate in a brand new one when the others are worn past it?
Sorry but am I the only one that doesn't see the logic of the above? The spare "wear" IS different as there is NO WEAR at all while in the "spare" position. And, when it is put into any position, it replaces a tire that has been in that location already and the wear will be uniform as long as it is rotated timely. I am a high mileage driver and have never heard of such a theory or experienced undue cupping or "uneven" wear. While it is true that tires can wear slightly differently based on their location that is compensated for by rotating each tire so that all tires occupy every position and thus even out that inconsistency. My tires wear evenly (over the life of the set of tires as proven by frequent measurement) because I rotate all five every time and timely.

Rotating all 5 will give more mileage for the set of 5 than if you only use a set of 4. You paid for all 5 tires why not get the use out of them? In addition, you never have to worry about matching tread or have a tire that may not be safe due to having an old date code. And if and when a spare is needed you don't have to worry if it is actually safe to use.



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Thanks everyone! I'm going to rotate all five. The nail in the coffin was, I paid for 5 tires, I should use all 5!
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With all the pros and cons on five versus four and all the various ways, I sat down and decided I was going to do five and still reverse the rotation of all the tires. I start going to the right with putting the spare on the right rear, then that tires crosses (and reverses rotation) to the left front. That tire then reverses but stays on the front going to the right front. That tire then crosses and reverses going to the left rear. The left rear then comes off the ground going to the spare (but reverses on the next rotation).

Short cut - spare to RR, RR to LF, LF to RF, RF to LR and LR to Spare. Since the Chief came stock with KMs, I rotate between 3,000 and 3,000 miles. I will probably use the earlier rotation on the GY Duratracs on the TJ when it comes time. Again with the same pattern since I'm starting with five new tires.
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Thanks everyone! I'm going to rotate all five. The nail in the coffin was, I paid for 5 tires, I should use all 5!
I have 50K miles on my set of 5 tires that I paid a lot of money for. (315/70R17 Duratracs) It works out that each individual tire has about 40K on it because it spends 1/5 of the time hanging out on the back.

I can probably run the tires for another 10K if I want but they're getting pretty worn.

If I was not rotating in the spare I'd be past the wear bars on the 4 that I did run with a spare that's been dry rotting for 6+ years and would need to be replaced as well.

Rotate all 5 and the money you spend on the tires goes a lot farther.
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Completely agree. I randomly swap, bringing in the spare every time. Every few months, I do a tread measurement. If any of them are below the rest, it's going into the spare spot for a while.

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