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Old 09-13-2014, 05:07 PM
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TJ's OMG My Brain Hurts.....Lift Thread

So I just got home from the Great American Jeep Rally. I had a great time but I was able to talk to Rock Krawler and Clayton Offroad about lifting my 2014 JKUR. So here comes why my brain hurts, at Clayton we talked about a long arm lift so I get the best of both worlds. Ride quality is my number one need with number two being great off road ability. So i went over and talked to the guys at the RK tent and when I brought up a long arm they immediately talked me down to mid arm system as that's all I would need. My JK is on 35's now with a Teraflex leveling kit and I want to get my lift installed before the snow flys here in RI.

A little more history, this is my second JKU my first was a 2010 Sport with a 2.5" inch Teraflex coil lift with JKS track bars and Bilstein 5100's. I rode ok on the road and did well on the trail. I know there is better out there and I'm looking for it.
So here's where I need help:
1. Long or Short arm
2. I want at least 3.5" lift
3. Budget w/front drive shaft & drag link flip 5k max (The less I spend the more add on parts I can get!!!)
4. Looking at these brands but will consider others: AEV, Clayton, Metal Cloak, Rock Krawler, Teraflex, Synergy, and Evo.
5. I'm loosing my mind and please help me

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Those are all good brands to choose from. I have 3.5 MC with rancho 9000's and am very happy with it. Quality parts, rides great and plenty of flex.

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I would of loved to go .. Jeeps in pieces and dads In the hospital recovering from heart surgery ... Busy day.

You'll be fine with a mid arm. RK's X factor actually moves the axle back further then any other mid arm.

I can't comment on Clayton's coils but RK's ride really nice. Coil and shock choice will play a big part in ride.
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You don't need long arm to get great ride quality. The talk from Clayton (which I like) was salesmanship.

The person from RK steered you in the right direction with the mid arm. For ride quality go with RK or AEV. Get some shocks that are tuned for the coils for best performance.
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Thanks for the replys!!

A friend of mine has a older RK 3.5 x factor with bilstein 5100's and he says by far it doesn't ride anyway near factory. My goal is to have a better than stock ride (claims made by multiple lift manufactures) with the benefit of added suspension travel for trails.
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My rk X factor rides better than stock. It's also the components around the lift. Get road friendly shocks, like the ranchos, and get either a 17 or 18" wheel which allow the tires to absorb some road crap. The new RK coils are now triple rate also which helps with ride quality. 5100's I've heard can be pretty stiff which might be causing the issue with your friends...also he probably has dual rate instead of triple rate coils
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Thanks for the replys!! A friend of mine has a older RK 3.5 x factor with bilstein 5100's and he says by far it doesn't ride anyway near factory. My goal is to have a better than stock ride (claims made by multiple lift manufactures) with the benefit of added suspension travel for trails.
The older progressive/linear combo doesn't touch the new triple rate coils.
5100's are a firmer riding shocks. Some love them other hate them.
Take advantage of the Rancho rebate. There's also the 90 day ride guarantee.

I saw your post on WAL. Somebody made a comment on RK control arms being too long. This is only a issue with the rears and trying to install one set of uppers. RK actually uses 2 different size lowers.
RK will also custom cut the arms to any length you want. So let's say you want to adjust rear pinion angle. Request a set of uppers that adjust stock plus.
The X factor kit moves the whole axle back 1-1.5, the arms --although longer-- work together.
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OK think I have made some headway here.... Sent Clayton an Email asking for total cost of lift installed still waiting on a reply. I also had some communication with a semi local AEV Jeep dealer and got a quote on having the AEV 3.5" SC lift installed with new front drive shaft and was shocked that they install for under 600 bucks!!! Right now I leaning AEV and I know most have a love hate relationship with them I know my everyday driving will not suffer in ride quality.
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Problem with AEV at 3.5 inches is it does not address rear axle geometry. At that height, it really needs longer/adjustable control arms to push the axle to the rear.
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I will add rear arms to the AEV lift at some point. RK moves the rear axle back to help clear the rock rail on most JK's. I have trimmed my rail so that I do not have a clearance issue. We need to remember as the suspension compresses the rear axle moves towards the rear of the jeep.
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I'll add my unnecessary two Cents as I'm a TJ guy... But I love my Clayton kit. High quality and when I had questions regarding install they were easy to get in touch with and cleared everything up.

That being said... I was under the impression that the JK control arms are much longer from the factory. This leaves a much better geometry than the TJs were faced with. So if it's a matter of Clayton being more than any other kit, or them requiring welding or things like that ( mine did) then I would go with another company that uses stock mounts, keeps stock skid plate and cross member locations, etc. Easier=better as far as I am concerned. But if the Clayton kit is bolt-in and $500 cheaper... Then pull that trigger quick! Cause they made great stuff for my Jeep.
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Long arm or mid arm Clayton ?

You don't have the means to install yourself ?
If I go clayton it would be long arm. As far as install I do have means to do the install but my other half wants me to have it installed.
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Those are all good brands to choose from. I have 3.5 MC with rancho 9000's and am very happy with it. Quality parts, rides great and plenty of flex.

I have this same set up on my 4door. The Metal Cloak stuff really is great. Look into their Game Changer Lite kit, comes with literally everything you will need. But as the quote above, I too went with the Rancho RS9000s really just because I wanted adjustability. The OME shocks that the kit comes with are just fine.
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I have the MC 3.5 ARB lift installed on my 2012 JKUR. Rides great on and off road. Kit is complete. I mean complete. Even has replacement brake lines. The only thing I added was a grade 8 bolt replacement kit. Installed myself and I'm no mechanic highly recommend you do yourself, you'll learn a lot about your jeep and how to maintain it or fix it on the trail.
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Thanks again for the replies I appreciate your opinions. I have narrowed it down to three choices the AEV dual sport sc 3.5 inch, Rock Krawler 3.5" x factor with rancho 9000xl shocks and Metalcloak 3.5" game changer lite. I received the quote back from Clayton today and the cost of the left in the install is about 2000 north of my budget.
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Well I made up my mind and ordered my lift and add on parts today. Ended up going with the RK 3.5" X Factor, Rancho 9000xl shocks and a Synergy Drag Link Flip Kit.
I called Adams for the drive shaft and I was told that he needs a measurement before I can order my drive shaft. So I'll wait on that till after the install.
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Well I made up my mind and ordered my lift and add on parts today. Ended up going with the RK 3.5" X Factor, Rancho 9000xl shocks and a Synergy Drag Link Flip Kit. I called Adams for the drive shaft and I was told that he needs a measurement before I can order my drive shaft. So I'll wait on that till after the install.
Nice dude..

Hmm .. Adams asked for my lift height. I was 3"
At the time but going higher soon. He got me a shaft for 4" of lift. Said it won't be a problem.
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I guess its because I have a 2014 from what I was told.

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