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Old 09-23-2019, 08:55 AM   #61
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You just read the instructions re what to do with the material. Why would you think itís optional?

In the Dynatrac Progrip system I received, the brake pads already have metal shims clipped on them. But in the Front Brake box only, there was also included an additional set of four rectangular rubber adhesive shims called ACT1. These have to be trimmed, they are not precut. There is nothing in the Dynatrac instructions about using these secondary shims. There was a tiny piece of paper in the plastic baggie with these pieces of rubber. I looked for them online and they are made by EBC and in their instructions, they are supposed to stick onto the brake pads ó apparently they are a replacement for metal shims. Here is the EBC description: EBC Brakes - ASK1 - ANTI SQUEAL SHIM KIT (Bagged)


Are they to be used in addition to the metal shims? In place of the metal shims? I will call Dynatrac today and ask. Meanwhile I completed install just using the metal shims.


Another thing I'll mention about the Dynatrac kit is that the rear rotors are painted black on the inside brake drum where the emergency brake brake pads contact the inside of the drum. That seemed very odd to me and I wasted some time trying to find out why, but could find no mention by anyone, nor any photos. I'll also be asking Dynatrac about this. Will update.

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UPDATE: Spoke the Dynatrac people regarding their Progrip Brake Upgrade. The rubber trim-to-fit EBC shims are just extra that they usually throw away. There are some applications where they might be useful, however they've never had any brake noise just from using the included metal shims which come clipped on the back of each of the new brake pads.



On the other issue I mentioned, the rear brake drums in the Progrip System come from the factory painted black on the inside where the emergency brake shoes contact the drum. Apparently everyone just ignores the paint although that seems strange to me since I've never seen brake drums or rotors with paint on them. What happens to the painted surface and the brake shoes when someone forgets to release the emergency brake?


There is a 200-mile bed-in period for the new calipers and rotors during which you are supposed to avoid panic stops. So I can't yet tell the difference in performance.

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One more for the Dynatrac kit. I would have done the Mopar kit but I have a compressor in the engine bay so no room for the larger master cylinder/booster.

As others said, the Dynatrac kit is awesome and itís a bit easier to install than the Mopar but, really, I havenít heard anything bad about Teraflex or Crown so it sure you can go wrong.


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I was able to put a Viair compressor mounted on the new booster - I used a slightly modified DOR mount, I just drilled an additional hole that allowed the mount to rotate a little bit more out of the way so that it fit well under the hood. I have pics to prove it
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UPDATE: Spoke the Dynatrac people regarding their Progrip Brake Upgrade. The rubber trim-to-fit EBC shims are just extra that they usually throw away. There are some applications where they might be useful, however they've never had any brake noise just from using the included metal shims which come clipped on the back of each of the new brake pads.



On the other issue I mentioned, the rear brake drums in the Progrip System come from the factory painted black on the inside where the emergency brake shoes contact the drum. Apparently everyone just ignores the paint although that seems strange to me since I've never seen brake drums or rotors with paint on them. What happens to the painted surface and the brake shoes when someone forgets to release the emergency brake?


There is a 200-mile bed-in period for the new calipers and rotors during which you are supposed to avoid panic stops. So I can't yet tell the difference in performance.
The paint is likely to help with rust. The paint will wear away as required, only wearing where the brake shoes make contact. The rest of the drum will be protected by the paint and that should help reduce rust. Emergency brakes don't do the same sort of work that normal brakes do. They see very little rotational wear as you are usually stopped when you apply the emergency brake. It is just there to hold the vehicle once it is already stopped.
That said, they offer coatings now on disc brake rotors for the same basic reason (to help prevent rust). The coating wears away only where the pads contact the rotor. That allows the coating to remain everywhere else and that helps reduce rust.
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I was able to put a Viair compressor mounted on the new booster - I used a slightly modified DOR mount, I just drilled an additional hole that allowed the mount to rotate a little bit more out of the way so that it fit well under the hood. I have pics to prove it


I should have clarified that my compressor is the dual arb. I would love to know if anyone has made that work with the Mopar Kit.


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I went with the Mopar kit with master cyl and booster in the front and the Dynatrac kit in the rear.

Mopar, because I wanted the OEM quality and I wanted the whole kit together. I also found a great sale price from Mopar Parts Online. If Mopar had the rears, I would have gone with them, but they weren't making them. So I went with Dynatrac in the rear.

Very glad I did the whole system the first time and couldn't be happier with the performance. Not one to be satisfied thinking my brakes are ok. Just ok in an emergency isn't good enough. Cutting corners to save a few bucks just doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
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I should have clarified that my compressor is the dual arb. I would love to know if anyone has made that work with the Mopar Kit.


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I doubt it since the new booster is taller and angles the mount upward. I have the single compressor and it fits on Evo's bracket. Give me a minute and I will attach a pic of my brake setup from my phone (on computer currently)
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UPDATE: Since installing (9 days ago) the Dynatrac Progrip System on my 2014 Unlimited JK with 35" Toyo M/Ts and 18" wheels, the difference in braking power before and after is unreal. Seriously, it's like driving a different automobile and it's hard to believe all I did was change out the rotors and pads. I'm IMPRESSED, I'm excited, I want to get in and go places. The brakes are so STRONG whereas before they were the worst of any vehicle I've ever driven. On the freeway today I was driving confidently at 80 in heavy traffic whereas before, pushing it like that was impossibly dangerous because the stock brakes were non-functional... I tell you what the brakes were like before — it was like having a block of wood stuck under the brake pedal so it would only go halfway down. I could slow, but not stop. Yet the rotors were in perfect shape, and there was still life in the old stock pads. The rolling inertia of 125 lb wheels and 35" geometry just destroyed stopping power. Without a doubt this is the best money I've spent and like the rest of you, I've spent a plenty on my Just Empty Every Pocket. I can sincerely attest that Dynatrac's engineers figured out exactly how to solve this problem in the most eloquent way, so you don't have to disconnect brake lines and the whole system is just over $1,000. All the people who recommended the Dynatrac system were accurate in their description. Of course it's not the only solution so I'm not knocking any others. I'm a big fan of Teraflex products as well. But thanks to everyone again for this thread.
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Another ProGrip success post

+1 for the Dynatrac upgrade. Back rotors were etched badly on the Hydro and needed to be replaced anyway so I went all in on the upgrade. I have almost 300 miles on them so far. Stopping performance and distance is far superior to stock. I would compare it to the LED headlight upgrade I made last year - both are day/night difference.

The install is straightforward. The only surprise was having to drop the rear arms to get to the caliper bolts, I must have missed that step while researching these. I was also surprised how much smaller the rear pads are than the front.

And the only difference I noted in the documentation in the boxes was that those state that it will fit on stock 17" Rubicon wheels and that Dynatrac does not recommend using spacers. Their website doesn't call out the Rubicon wheel or the lack of spacer use. I have the standard 17's with 1.5" Spidertrax and they fit but it's close to the 1/8" tolerance.

I feel way more comfortable on the highway now and really pleased on how easy this install was for me.
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I installed the DynaTrac kit the other weekend too. Absolutely love it, massively better than stock. My little two door now stops almost as fast as my Mustang with the OEM performance pack.

I made an install video and loaded it to YouTube. Nothing fancy, but might be helpful for someone who has never done brakes.

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For those of you that added the Crown BBK, did you have any fitment issues? Saw a few posts in another thread where users were having contact between the rotor and the new caliper adapter.

Did you use the pads that came in the kit or did you upgrade to a ceramic or ceramic/fiber blend?
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For those of you that added the Crown BBK, did you have any fitment issues? Saw a few posts in another thread where users were having contact between the rotor and the new caliper adapter.

Did you use the pads that came in the kit or did you upgrade to a ceramic or ceramic/fiber blend?
I saw your post in the other thread this morning and meant to respond there but forgot

I installed this kit on my 2011 and while fitment was tight there is definitely no contact. I had considered installing a washer between the caliper bracket and the mounting surface to center it on the rotor (due more to my OCD than out of concern) but in a little over 1000 miles of driving there hasn’t been any contact made so I’ll check it again next oil change but I think it’s fine. I used the pads that came with the kit and think they work great.
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Are there any balance issues if you install the front Big Rotors, but just install upgraded pads on the rear? I was surprised to see how much more expensive the Teraflex rear brakes are than the front.

Also noticed that Quadratec only carries the front big rotor kit.
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I only have front BBK with Hawk LTS pads on all four corners.
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Are there any balance issues if you install the front Big Rotors, but just install upgraded pads on the rear? I was surprised to see how much more expensive the Teraflex rear brakes are than the front.

Also noticed that Quadratec only carries the front big rotor kit.
I have the full kit (DynaTrac), but so far have only installed the fronts. No issues. But I will be installing the rears in the near future, more good is more better.
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For those of you that added the Crown BBK, did you have any fitment issues? Saw a few posts in another thread where users were having contact between the rotor and the new caliper adapter.

Did you use the pads that came in the kit or did you upgrade to a ceramic or ceramic/fiber blend?
No fitment issues, 2012 JK Sport. I used the pads that came with the kit. My rears are Powerstop semi ceramic pads.
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I got the Dynatrac big brake (rotors) kit because I wanted to improve both the front and rear, since the rear wears out so much quicker. And I didn't want to have to mess with the master cylinder or bleeding them.

Bedded them per instructions and they work awesome, stops very quick now. I can lock them up really easily if I want to. After putting in the Rubi t case it was nearly impossible to stop when going downhill in 4 low, but no problems now. I also pull and 2700 lb camper (dry weight) and didn't even notice when the trailer brakes went out on me once. For the record I'm on 37s with 4.56 gears.

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I find that when going down hill with my Rubi's, placing the auto trans in 'N' saves a LOT on the amount I have to push on the pedal and in turn, how much brakes I wear out. That LOW LOW 4:1 transfer case is great going up hills but murder on brakes going down.
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I find that when going down hill with my Rubi's, placing the auto trans in 'N' saves a LOT on the amount I have to push on the pedal and in turn, how much brakes I wear out. That LOW LOW 4:1 transfer case is great going up hills but murder on brakes going down.
Yeah I HAD to do that a few times before the brakes. But maybe a good idea to do it more often anyway!

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I have the dynatrac progrip, very happy with the setup but I'm about a year(and 15k) into it and have developed a squeak everytime I initially get my Jeep moving. No squeaking while driving, only on initial movement when I first start up the Jeep, even if it's only been parked for 5 min. It's getting annoying enough that I might have to see if I can fix it.
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Here's one data point. I think there are lots of routes to achieve better braking in our rigs, and I made my selections working with with a guy who builds track and race cars for a living. We did calculations on line pressure, sweep area, rotor leverage, and how this is all impacted by the options out there. The X factor is you can't know the friction coefficients of the various pads available.

Anyways, Mopar BBK front and Dynatrac rear. Braking is now awesome (easy to activate the antilocks, which I couldn't do before), pedal feel is better, pedal stroke is shorter, and balance (front to rear) seems spot on. Very happy with my choice. But this is both a spendier way to go and requires some significant extra work versus some of the simpler options.
Was speakin with some smart automotive friends on another group. They generally hate me changing anything on any of my vehicles. Anyways, I mentioned upgrading my rear brakes since I need new ones anyways. I was given this response:

"I don't know how adaptable modern ABS systems are, but anything that adds significant braking power to the rear could throw off the calibration of the system. I don't think they are like engine management systems that make adjustments based on a feedback loop."

I'm planning on grabbing the Dynatrac rear kit. Is there any merit to this concern on these Jeeps?

I was also reading this: https://www.brakes-shop.com/brakeped...t-fundamentals

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Was speakin with some smart automotive friends on another group. They generally hate me changing anything on any of my vehicles. Anyways, I mentioned upgrading my rear brakes since I need new ones anyways. I was given this response:

"I don't know how adaptable modern ABS systems are, but anything that adds significant braking power to the rear could throw off the calibration of the system. I don't think they are like engine management systems that make adjustments based on a feedback loop."

I'm planning on grabbing the Dynatrac rear kit. Is there any merit to this concern on these Jeeps?

I was also reading this: https://www.brakes-shop.com/brakeped...t-fundamentals

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1. Would you rather be able to actually stop while driving, or to steer under those very few times that you can't stop?

2. These brakes aren't going in stock vehicles, they're going on modified vehicles with larger tires etc. If anything, it's taking them BACK to their stock braking power.

3. I have had the Dynatrac kit on mine for about a year and a half now. The abs worked 100% of the 1 time it needed to kick in.

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Was speakin with some smart automotive friends on another group. They generally hate me changing anything on any of my vehicles. Anyways, I mentioned upgrading my rear brakes since I need new ones anyways. I was given this response:

"I don't know how adaptable modern ABS systems are, but anything that adds significant braking power to the rear could throw off the calibration of the system. I don't think they are like engine management systems that make adjustments based on a feedback loop."

I'm planning on grabbing the Dynatrac rear kit. Is there any merit to this concern on these Jeeps?

I was also reading this: https://www.brakes-shop.com/brakeped...t-fundamentals

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As mentioned, the vehicle is already not stock by the time you are throwing bigger brakes at it. And modern ABS systems are actually pretty sophisticated and aren't sensitive to changes in braking power. For example, throwing a set of higher friction brake pads doesn't throw them off. Modern systems are closely watching wheel speed of all four wheels and comparing them to each other. The braking power provided with larger rotors doesn't change that. Early systems actually looked at wheel speed and simply would not allow a wheel to slow down faster than a known limit. That worked, but as soon as you replaced the tires with stickier tires it became a problem as the system could not adapt. Modern systems are not as dumb.
There is a balance between front and rear brakes, and while the ABS system will help counter any changes made to that balance I would suggest you go with a kit that provides an equal increase in braking power front and rear. Thus you maintain the balance. But if not, the ABS system will figure it out, I promise you.
And maybe you need smarter automotive friends. What the factory does is rarely the best that it could be done. It is usually good enough at the lowest cost.
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Good info, thank you GuzziMoto and chitown35. The friends I reference are smart dudes in the automotive industry, they just rightfully question a lot of aftermarket stuff -- some is good, some is bad.

It looks like more than plenty of people are running the BBKs without issue, so that's good enough with me!

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Good info, thank you GuzziMoto and chitown35. The friends I reference are smart dudes in the automotive industry, they just rightfully question a lot of aftermarket stuff -- some is good, some is bad.

It looks like more than plenty of people are running the BBKs without issue, so that's good enough with me!

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The early days of ABS were rocky. Fit sticky tires, or more aggressive brake pads, and it could mess with the ABS. Nowadays ABS systems are really good.
Also, the Jeeps TC / BLD systems are tied into the brakes as well. But those systems are also really smart and don't seem to have any issues when you upgrade the brakes.
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Are there Hawk pads that fit the Teraflex Calipers ?
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Are there Hawk pads that fit the Teraflex Calipers ?
Yes, I run them on my fronts:
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(and rears, too; but the ones for the stock rear caliper, obviously.)
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Cool so that means the Teraflex and Crown BBK's both source their parts from the Ram 1500...good to know!

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(and rears, too; but the ones for the stock rear caliper, obviously.)
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I have a 2.5" AEV lift with 37's and I went with the Dynatrac kit. Absolutely no remorse, it has performed as advertised.
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Initially I was hesitant to consider the Dynatrac kit because of the need for replacement parts, but I see on Dynatracs website they offer replacement rotors F & R at $90 each.

Just to confirm, since the kit re-uses the factory JK calipers, I can use any store-bought pads for JKs with this kit, yes? Just thinking about service later on as I intend to have my Jeep for many years and many miles.
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Initially I was hesitant to consider the Dynatrac kit because of the need for replacement parts, but I see on Dynatracs website they offer replacement rotors F & R at $90 each.

Just to confirm, since the kit re-uses the factory JK calipers, I can use any store-bought pads for JKs with this kit, yes? Just thinking about service later on as I intend to have my Jeep for many years and many miles.
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Auto / 4.56 Gears / ARB Front, Auburn Ected Rear Locker & LSD / G2 Core 44 35 Spline Axles / Alpine 9-Speakers & Sub / MC 3.5" w 6pak shocks / 37" KM3s on Method 105 Beadlocks
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