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Old 11-16-2014, 07:11 PM
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Toyo MT's vs something else

I will be buying my tires for our JKUR this week. It will have a 2.5 Metalcloak lift. We want to run a 35x12.50 and I have researched to death. I hear Toyos pull right and are heavy but may be corrected with a gas charged stabilizer. I hear trail graps pull left and are also heavy. Despite this all the local Georgia guys are saying these are the 2 favorites. Coming from a sports car background I am hesitant with the weight. This jeep will see 75/25 road to off-road and I do want a capable tire for N Georgia trails and surrounding areas.
What would you run and why???
If I stick with the local favorites of Toyo or nittos would you mount one on the gate until bumpers are bought to better handle the load. I don't want to pay for teraflex hinge knowing I want bumper with carrier.
What gate carrier would you buy for 35 for temporary until bumper?
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You could get 100's of different answers here. Lots of people will tell you to get duratracs, which are a good tire.

Out of the two you posted, I would say toyos, only because I had a set, and they were very good.

You could always wait to mount your spare.

Also, I have not heard of tires pulling left or right, and a steering stabilizer is usually not the answer to a vehicle that pulls either left or right.

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I don't foresee duratrac's in my future as they are on the small side. They may be a better road tire but this isn't a DD for us and we like the bolder more aggressive tires. Georgia clay is serious sticky and even though we aren't chasing mud (hate cleaning the stuff) it is only a matter of time before your in it.
Is there not a decent bolt on carrier for a 35?
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I don't have a ton of experience off-roading with these tires but we went up to the north ga mountains last weekend and did a couple of trails near Helen/hiawasse ga. We have nitro terra grapplers a/t 35x12.5. The jku we have is my wife's every day driver. We both really like the tires as they are quiet on the road but have plenty of grip. I don't have any experience with the trail grapplers but I know the terra grapplers had plenty of grip and traction while off-roading last weekend. I know it's not exactly what you were asking for just wanted to give my 2 cents. Good luck with it! What part of ga are your from?
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I don't have a ton of experience off-roading with these tires but we went up to the north ga mountains last weekend and did a couple of trails near Helen/hiawasse ga. We have nitro terra grapplers a/t 35x12.5. The jku we have is my wife's every day driver. We both really like the tires as they are quiet on the road but have plenty of grip. I don't have any experience with the trail grapplers but I know the terra grapplers had plenty of grip and traction while off-roading last weekend. I know it's not exactly what you were asking for just wanted to give my 2 cents. Good luck with it! What part of ga are your from?
I'm in Suwanee. I don't think I will want a AT tire. I have ATs on my 1/2 ton and they are fine for street but do not cut it off-road if any moisture is in the clay. They turn into slicks and don't spit the mud back out.
Thanks and maybe see you on the trail someday.
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I have the 37/13.5/17 Toyo OC M/T's and I am really liking them more and more each day.
They are wearing very good.
They ride smooth as glass at highway speeds and haven't slipped a bit off road in the gravel and rocks here.
At low speeds you feel the tread and know you have a great tire under you, once you get moving they smooth right out.
Every place I go, people come up and make comments on how great they look.
The reviews I found had them wearing better than the Nitto's and not "chunking" like the Nitto's do.
But, I don't have any mud to deal with as I am in Arizona so that's my $.02
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I've used LT285/75R-17 Toyo M/T's for about the last 25,000 miles. They're a little over halfway through their life. They wear evenly, have extremely durable sidewalls, aren't too loud, and get good traction. Toyo and Nitto are sister companies, and the real big difference between the tires aside from looks is the softer compound used in the Trail Grappler. If mud and clay is what you're worried about a Super Swamper might be a better tire though.
The most important thing about using the tailgate to carry a larger tire is to make sure the isolator prevents the tire from vibrating. You'll probably need a longer one than is currently on the Jeep if you continue to use the stock carrier. I wouldn't pay the $700 for a Teraflex tire carrier either, or really any carrier that utilizes some sheet metal to hold the tire up. If that tire gets caught on a ledge with a body-mounted tire carrier the tailgate will not take it well.
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GAWhiteRubi,

You are dead correct that ATs will not perform as well in NoGa as MTs; I mean, it's possible that one company's AT will outperform another company's MT if that MT sucks, but within any line, I'd stick with the MT.

I have firsthand experience of my Willys on OEM 255 BFG KMs, alongside my good friend's Rubi on 33x12.5 Mickey Thompson ATs (don't remember the exact model, if there are more than one.) Twice this summer I have just slowly walked up wet mud inclines that he couldn't make it up, even with a running start. The ATs just wouldn't clear the clay out of the voids, and the MTs were slinging it out.

Haven't used the Nittos or Toyos, but I'm sticking with KM2s when I wear these KMs out. Have always had BFG MTs before (previous XJ Cherokees), and they work great for me. In the size I want (34x11.25) the weight is 62#, so not very heavy either. Like you, I'm more a sportscar guy than a Jeep guy (just got back from a day of 911 love in the NoGa mountains!) and I'm freaked out by how heavy all these dang tires are!
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I'm on my fourth set of Toyo Open Country MTs on two different vehicles. They are a very durable tire. The sidewalls are very stout. In all sincerity, you could likely get away without a spare. I got around 80k miles on one set. They are E rated tires which means you have to run them at very low pressure or the ride is harsh I've been running mine at 26psi. They're very also VERY heavy. Your gas mileage will suffer and they're probably not the best off-road either, even aired down they don't flex well. I think KM2s are probably a better tire all the way around. The Toyos are good tires on the road, they're tough, they wear well and they look great but that's about it. I'll be looking for a lighter tire next time.

I've never heard the pulling to the right thing but, now that you mention it, mine do pull to the right. They didn't on my Tacoma but they do on my JKUR.
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Old 11-17-2014, 06:08 AM
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Sounds like it is the same old debate.
Toyo/Nitto are very well made. Tough and round but very heavy.
Bfg is lighter but also smaller
Goodyear has duratrac's but that not enough tire and mtrK which I've heard balancing issues and they get louder as time goes and don't last.
Not sure about the cooper family of tires including Mickey Thompson.
All of these companies are coming out with tweenies (hybrid at/mt).
Toyo rt and Nitto exo
Cooper maxx and mt deegan 38
Too many choices and need to (excuse the pun)need to weigh the balance between on/off road use.
Thanks for the replies.
Feel like throwing darts and picking one. Expensive darts.
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I am running Toyo MT and though it is a good tire I would recommend the Kumho Road Venture MT. It is a very aggressive tire and lighter than the Toyo. I have had two sets in the past on other vehicles and absolutely loved them. Since you stated your Jeep is not a DD I believe this is the way to go. You did not mention what wheel size you have but I assume it is a 17 and you get them for only 259 each. The tire weight is 75lbs compared to the Toyo which is almost 83lbs which I found for 412 a tire.
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I have the RTs and have no complaints...they can handle more than what I'm willing to put them through lol
Looks good. Question is are the rt's still load range E? Any lighter then same size MT?
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No one has mentioned this- what is your gear ratio? That is where weight factors in. I initially bought 33" Toyos but replaced them with much less heavy 33" KM2s before install. Don't ask me if it made a difference because either way I only lasted a couple of months before I re-geared - and that was on 33s. With 3.21s any 35s can turn your Jeep into a dog. (Or not; it depends on who you ask).
Someone already mentioned it but pulling to the right is common with many 35s- not just the Toyos. Any alignment issues you may have are exaggerated once you put on big rubber. Proper correction is the way to go but many add a beefier stabilizer.
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Looks good. Question is are the rt's still load range E? Any lighter then same size MT?
They are E rated and roughly the same weight.
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:04 PM   #15
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For what it's worth - I was in the same pickle. Always ran Mickey Thompson MTZ's and liked 'em. Used Nitto Trail Grappler MT's - liked them, too. Ended up with ProComp Xtreme M/T's due to positive things I'd heard, the fact that most of the time I use the vehicle on (wet) roads and that the ProComps have a 40,000 mi warranty. No others did that I could find. I drive about 20k miles a year, so that was a big factor as well. The Mickey's and the Nitto's did not last me more than 25k miles before a noticeable decrease in on-road performance, especially in wet weather.
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Look at the cooper STT. It's almost an identical tread pattern(it's just reversed) and it's much cheaper and is a very good tire like the toyo
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Load rating is THE key, go with a "D" rated tire if you can. That being said I have ran the Toyo's 37"x13.5" "E" rated tire and my light rig felt like I was rolling on steel rims! I now have the 37" Cooper "d" rated STT's? and could not be happier...plus the coopers are cheaper (unless you're buying used, in which case no one sells their Coopers) I have mudded and payvement driven both on the same rig for the same mount of time, and for my money, I'd go Cooper's every time! I saw they even have a 13x37R17 out now too. Just another .02 cents...

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