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Old 03-28-2019, 06:44 AM   #31
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Also I can second the 445u amp with 8" sub recommendation. This is what's in my wife's jeep. It's not a monster system but it's pretty nice and you can hear it when the tops down.

If you do remove the small speakers I recommend leaving the front but adding the bass blockers. It brings the sound stage up.

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The stock system has small 4 ohm speakers in parallel with the regular 4 ohm speakers. They just rob power from the better speakers.

You can disconnect them completely or, for the front, add bass blockers. Try fading to a back corner and disconnecting that one and see if you like it better.

I'll try this out tomorrow for sure!


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Also I can second the 445u amp with 8" sub recommendation. This is what's in my wife's jeep. It's not a monster system but it's pretty nice and you can hear it when the tops down.

If you do remove the small speakers I recommend leaving the front but adding the bass blockers. It brings the sound stage up.

Awesome thanks! I'll look into it.

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The stock speaks in the base system are 4 ohm.

Fair enough, my '08 came with the Infinity system. Those ones are 2 ohm.



The 'small' speakers don't really rob power, but they don't do much in the original configuration. They are tweeters that are meant to fill in the high end that the woofers cannot reach, (so the power in that frequency range is wasted on them, anyway), however the crossover frequency is too high to be very useful. So you won't get any additional volume by removing them & will just lose what top end they do supply.


Stock Tweeter Mod Is the thread I originally found the info in.


What you really want to do is replace the original crossover capaciter with a larger value, so that it lowers the crossover frequency & the tweeter does MORE work. Makes it sound so much better!
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Anything you do will make a huge difference in improving sound quality , wether a speaker upgrade of any kind or a head unit.
Just keep in mind (and I have gone thru this) as you make your system sound better your audio tastes will become more demanding and you will be looking for more.
Eventually you will have spent a small fortune of dropping items in that dont quite work well together. I wish I would have just spent the money in the beginning on what I have right now. It would have been cheaper.
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The posts recommending a new head unit are spot on. The factory radio is crap. Then live with that configuration for a while and see how you like it. It might be all you care to do. If not, then later consider adding an amp.
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...also keep in mind that you won't get any real bass out of the speakers that are in the factory locations. It doesn't matter what the specs say, the limiting factor is the size of the "bucket" that houses the midrange/midbass drivers. There just isn't enough air volume to do real bass. Realistically they probably wont do much below 70-80Hz.


So if you want deeper bass you'll need to start looking at subwoofers.
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Anything you do will make a huge difference in improving sound quality , wether a speaker upgrade of any kind or a head unit.
Just keep in mind (and I have gone thru this) as you make your system sound better your audio tastes will become more demanding and you will be looking for more.
Eventually you will have spent a small fortune of dropping items in that dont quite work well together. I wish I would have just spent the money in the beginning on what I have right now. It would have been cheaper.

This is pretty spot on. I did that with my Silverado and I wish I hadn't lol. Lost out on all that money. I'm throwing the head unit in today and my thoughts are, if this works then great. if it doesn't then Ill have to deal with it until a later point in time lol.


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The posts recommending a new head unit are spot on. The factory radio is crap. Then live with that configuration for a while and see how you like it. It might be all you care to do. If not, then later consider adding an amp.

That's my plan. I'm putting the head unit in tonight and I keep telling myself this is it. no more until this thing is where I want it mechanically.


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...also keep in mind that you won't get any real bass out of the speakers that are in the factory locations. It doesn't matter what the specs say, the limiting factor is the size of the "bucket" that houses the midrange/midbass drivers. There just isn't enough air volume to do real bass. Realistically they probably wont do much below 70-80Hz.


So if you want deeper bass you'll need to start looking at subwoofers.

They are pretty crap even with dynamat. they still have that tinny sound when knocking on it. Fingers crossed i'll be happy with it. I need to find some money somewhere lol. Thanks for the help!
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...also keep in mind that you won't get any real bass out of the speakers that are in the factory locations. It doesn't matter what the specs say, the limiting factor is the size of the "bucket" that houses the midrange/midbass drivers. There just isn't enough air volume to do real bass. Realistically they probably wont do much below 70-80Hz.


So if you want deeper bass you'll need to start looking at subwoofers.

Probably closer to 100 hertz. I have limited mine to above 100 hertz because anything below that bottoms out the cone at higher volumes with no audio effect added.
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There have been a million threads on the subject of speakers. Searched a bunch and haven't found what I'm looking to get answered. I know its not going to sound like a home theater or a $2,000 system that I've had before.



I just put in 4 Polk DB651s. Dynamat and Polyfilled both soundbar and speaker units up front. Still running the stock head unit. I do not have the Alpine system.



The sound is a little better than the stock speakers as far as being tinny. I have to crank the head unit to power these speakers. The lows dont sound low and some songs sound majorly distorted when listening to metal or something similar.



I've faded the speakers to test each side out. I saw some info about the speaker adapters from Metra needing the pins to be switched out because the speakers are out of phase? I do not believe this to be the problem as all the speakers sound the same when isolated.



Is this just because the stock head unit isn't powerful enough to drive them? I ordered a Pioneer 2300nex last night. is this enough to get far better sound without throwing in an amp or sub? This is the last thing I want to do with the audio for a good while.




Thanks for any help!
Here is what I did to my system. It definitely doesn't sound like a $15000 system but it is seriously night and day compared to what I had,which was the cheap base audio system in my 2011 JK.

I replaced my headunit with an after market Android headunit (Chinese, Joying). It didn't do much as far as sound but gave me all the features I wanted. Touch screen, Pandora,Amazon Music, back up camera, and most importantly RCA ports.

I dynamated, and polyfilled all the speaker areas and replaced the speakers with these:Mopar JEEP WRANGLER JK KICKER SPEAKER UPGRADE https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004SUO5QS..._tSKNCb5ZJX573
This still didn't do it for me

I then added a JL Audio mono sub and amp thinking that would do the trick:Jl Audio Jx500/1d Mono Subwoofer Amplifier - 500 Watts RMS X 1 At 2 Ohms https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0081K3M5G..._8YKNCbZ4SN4ZC
And
http://www.jlaudio.com/cp110lg-tw1-2...-systems-93323.
Truthfully, if I could do it again I would've went with a Power Wedge instead of separate units like this:http://www.jlaudio.com/acp110lg-tw1-...-systems-93332
This made an amazing difference but wasn't enough for me.

This is what honestly put my system over the top and now I just smile when I turn up the radio.
https://www.skaraudio.com/products/s...-car-amplifier

I mean, seriously, wow! Once everything was tuned in properly it sounds amazing! When you look at the dimensions of everything it fits great in my 2 door and is almost completely unnoticeable but you can hear the difference!

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Here is what I did to my system. It definitely doesn't sound like a $15000 system but it is seriously night and day compared to what I had,which was the cheap base audio system in my 2011 JK.

I replaced my headunit with an after market Android headunit (Chinese, Joying). It didn't do much as far as sound but gave me all the features I wanted. Touch screen, Pandora,Amazon Music, back up camera, and most importantly RCA ports.

I dynamated, and polyfilled all the speaker areas and replaced the speakers with these:Mopar JEEP WRANGLER JK KICKER SPEAKER UPGRADE https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004SUO5QS..._tSKNCb5ZJX573
This still didn't do it for me

I then added a JL Audio mono sub and amp thinking that would do the trick:Jl Audio Jx500/1d Mono Subwoofer Amplifier - 500 Watts RMS X 1 At 2 Ohms https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0081K3M5G..._8YKNCbZ4SN4ZC
And
CP110LG-TW1-2 - Car Audio - Subwoofer Systems - MicroSub? - JL Audio.
Truthfully, if I could do it again I would've went with a Power Wedge instead of separate units like this:ACP110LG-TW1 - Car Audio - Subwoofer Systems - MicroSub+? - JL Audio
This made an amazing difference but wasn't enough for me.

This is what honestly put my system over the top and now I just smile when I turn up the radio.
https://www.skaraudio.com/products/s...-car-amplifier

I mean, seriously, wow! Once everything was tuned in properly it sounds amazing! When you look at the dimensions of everything it fits great in my 2 door and is almost completely unnoticeable but you can hear the difference!

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I honestly have no problem following this for the amp and sub combo you have going on. It seems like everything is reasonably priced.



The only problem im finding is that i need every little bit of space i can in the back. I'm wondering if it would be worth it to get one of the water resistant alpine subs that mount under the passenger seat. Not sure how people will be sitting right on top of it lol. Where did you end up putting the sub and enclosure?



Did you end up running new wires to the 4 speakers? I'm thinking the amp would be the first thing Id do before I get the sub. Any more tips as far as install on that amp? Whered you end up mounting that?
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Here is what I did to my system. It definitely doesn't sound like a $15000 system but it is seriously night and day compared to what I had,which was the cheap base audio system in my 2011 JK.

I replaced my headunit with an after market Android headunit (Chinese, Joying). It didn't do much as far as sound but gave me all the features I wanted. Touch screen, Pandora,Amazon Music, back up camera, and most importantly RCA ports.

I dynamated, and polyfilled all the speaker areas and replaced the speakers with these:Mopar JEEP WRANGLER JK KICKER SPEAKER UPGRADE https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004SUO5QS..._tSKNCb5ZJX573
This still didn't do it for me

I then added a JL Audio mono sub and amp thinking that would do the trick:Jl Audio Jx500/1d Mono Subwoofer Amplifier - 500 Watts RMS X 1 At 2 Ohms https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0081K3M5G..._8YKNCbZ4SN4ZC
And
CP110LG-TW1-2 - Car Audio - Subwoofer Systems - MicroSub? - JL Audio.
Truthfully, if I could do it again I would've went with a Power Wedge instead of separate units like this:ACP110LG-TW1 - Car Audio - Subwoofer Systems - MicroSub+? - JL Audio
This made an amazing difference but wasn't enough for me.

This is what honestly put my system over the top and now I just smile when I turn up the radio.
https://www.skaraudio.com/products/s...-car-amplifier

I mean, seriously, wow! Once everything was tuned in properly it sounds amazing! When you look at the dimensions of everything it fits great in my 2 door and is almost completely unnoticeable but you can hear the difference!

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

I honestly have no problem following this for the amp and sub combo you have going on. It seems like everything is reasonably priced.



The only problem im finding is that i need every little bit of space i can in the back. I'm wondering if it would be worth it to get one of the water resistant alpine subs that mount under the passenger seat. Not sure how people will be sitting right on top of it lol. Where did you end up putting the sub and enclosure?



Did you end up running new wires to the 4 speakers? I'm thinking the amp would be the first thing Id do before I get the sub. Any more tips as far as install on that amp? Whered you end up mounting that?
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I honestly have no problem following this for the amp and sub combo you have going on. It seems like everything is reasonably priced.



The only problem im finding is that i need every little bit of space i can in the back. I'm wondering if it would be worth it to get one of the water resistant alpine subs that mount under the passenger seat. Not sure how people will be sitting right on top of it lol. Where did you end up putting the sub and enclosure?



Did you end up running new wires to the 4 speakers? I'm thinking the amp would be the first thing Id do before I get the sub. Any more tips as far as install on that amp? Whered you end up mounting that?
My 4 channel amp is nestled in next to the glove box, completely out of site. Zip tied in and 100% secure. The mono amp is under the passenger seat and completely out of sight unless you push the front seat fully forward. The subwoofer and box is in the "trunk" area ratchet strapped into place. For best sound from a sub it should be mounted into place so it doesn't move, vibrate, and lose bass response. But because of my very limited space in a 2 door permanent mounting was out of the question so this was my best option for temporary mounting. I also used banana posts for wiring to easily disconnect everything. Sorry for the dirty Jeep lol

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I honestly have no problem following this for the amp and sub combo you have going on. It seems like everything is reasonably priced.



The only problem im finding is that i need every little bit of space i can in the back. I'm wondering if it would be worth it to get one of the water resistant alpine subs that mount under the passenger seat. Not sure how people will be sitting right on top of it lol. Where did you end up putting the sub and enclosure?



Did you end up running new wires to the 4 speakers? I'm thinking the amp would be the first thing Id do before I get the sub. Any more tips as far as install on that amp? Whered you end up mounting that?

You do need a sub.
The factory speaker enclosures are too small to reproduce reasonable low end. You're lucky if you can reproduce down to 100htz or so with even high grade speakers. If you don't have a sub then you completely lose the low end of your music.


I have the factory in-floor sub connected to its own amp because I value the space too, but under the seat is fine. Amp can go under the other seat. Smaller amps can go where the factory alpine amp would be mounted if you had alpine sound (in the dash under the steering column.... although it's a pain in the ass!)



The Chinese android head units NEED larger amps (or an inline preamp) because their preamp outputs are the old standard (1.4volts P to P) while the new standard found on the more traditional units is 3 to 5 volts. So needless to say if you're running a traditional head unit you don't need a huge amp.



Also a word of caution on polly filling speaker boxes.... if your aim is more accurate reproduction then the fill is a good thing. If on the other hand your aim is just plain loudness, then skip the fill.


You can use the factory speaker wires if you're trying to save some money, but it's best to use your own and up-size just a bit.
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The in-floor subs are great if you want to maximize your space. They are NOT cheap though.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jeep-Wrangl...frcectupt=true
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The in-floor subs are great if you want to maximize your space. They are NOT cheap though.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jeep-Wrangl...frcectupt=true
Or for a better option that will give you a better bass response: https://www.crutchfield.com/S-dOwZFq...4aAgWlEALw_wcB

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I have the 9 speaker Alpine system with the in floor rear sub. It sounds pretty good but I have never had a stock system for any real length of time my whole life. So......I am considering upgrading a little. I understand the value of replacing the head unit and have done it many times. This time I do not want to replace it and mess with the Maestro bundle and NAV issues etc. The sub has it's limitations for sure but sounds pretty good for stock. I have found that I do not ever set the bass over 0 so I am fine with the low end. What I am asking is if I just want to replace the dash and sound bar speakers and keep all else the same......are the Kickers or anything else a worth while straight replacement over the stock Alpines? Thanks.
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I have the 9 speaker Alpine system with the in floor rear sub. It sounds pretty good but I have never had a stock system for any real length of time my whole life. So......I am considering upgrading a little. I understand the value of replacing the head unit and have done it many times. This time I do not want to replace it and mess with the Maestro bundle and NAV issues etc. The sub has it's limitations for sure but sounds pretty good for stock. I have found that I do not ever set the bass over 0 so I am fine with the low end. What I am asking is if I just want to replace the dash and sound bar speakers and keep all else the same......are the Kickers or anything else a worth while straight replacement over the stock Alpines? Thanks.

If you have the alpine system then the best choice is either to leave it, or rip it out completely and start over again. It is not your average system. It has some pretty unique characteristics about it and the speakers are set up to work with that specific amp. The rear speakers for example are biamped, the sub is a quad coil being fired by 4 separate amplifiers, and the front tweets aren't even really tweets but more a midrange speaker. You might want to ADD tweets to the front for a bit better high end, but that's probably the most you would want to do to the alpine system.


As for replacing the speakers... there is really little sense. Other than adding a bit of high end, you will not improve the low end at all... even with high end speakers. The size of the speaker boxes are the limiting factor there. To get better lows you need bigger boxes, not necessarily better speakers. I in fact replaced my alpine rear speakers with good quality Hertz speakers (cost me $300), and ended up going back to the alpine speakers a week later. The fact is that the alpine's are pretty good and you would be hard pressed to better them.


Now I did end up ripping out the entire alpine system because I wanted more power. Kept the sub which now runs on its own amp (and really rocks now!), but in general you can forget doing any sort of serious tweeking on the alpine system. It's too much of a unique individual.
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So update. I got the head unit in and there’s no difference. Sick lol. I need to try to mess with the EQ settings. I know they aren’t the same for everybody but maybe someone could upload a pic of their custom settings with just new speakers and no amp. Just want to try to get decent sound out of her For now. Pretty disappointed in digging into this project and wish I hadn’t. People have different opinions on what good sounds like and I guess my ears are spoiled. Lol
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So I went ahead and ordered the Alpine KTP 445u and some pioneer tweeters for up front. Hopefully can get it installed this week. No sub after that until I save some money up. figured it’s better to try to hide 2 small amps than one larger one. It’ll be easy to throw one in eventually. Going to also unplug the tweeters in the soundbar because I’m sure they’re interfering with the tweeters on the polks in there. Did some more research and spoke to someone from Crutchfield and learned I don’t need to run new speaker wire for 45 watts. Just going to cut the wire connection from the idatalink and head unit and tie into the harness that comes with the alpine. Hopefully this works out
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Probably closer to 100 hertz. I have limited mine to above 100 hertz because anything below that bottoms out the cone at higher volumes with no audio effect added.

Yeah, going from memory I think mine are crossed over around 85Hz. One of the biggest hurdles in a jeep sound system is trying to get that visceral mid bass slam. Unfortunately, running subs up high enough to meet the mids tends to make them muddy.



Then again, we don't buy Jeeps to put precision sound systems in them. "Pretty good" is a more realistic goal.
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If you have the alpine system then the best choice is either to leave it, or rip it out completely and start over again. It is not your average system. It has some pretty unique characteristics about it and the speakers are set up to work with that specific amp. The rear speakers for example are bi-amped, the sub is a quad coil being fired by 4 separate amplifiers, and the front tweets aren't even really tweets but more a mid-range speaker. You might want to ADD tweets to the front for a bit better high end, but that's probably the most you would want to do to the alpine system
Hey Bob. Really appreciate the feedback and personal experience. This is pretty much what I was figuring was the situation. This may indeed end up being the only factory system I ever keep like it came. However, knowing me I will probably amp the rear sub individually with a remote gain since I have a new Fosgate amp and remote in a box already. Cheers.

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