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Old 03-23-2015, 08:36 AM
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So i thought of a new setup for my 97 TJ with the 4 banger. Im thinking of a three inch suspension lift with a one inch body. 33x10.5 tires under it and regearing to 4.56. I just have a question about brake lines. Would i have to extend them? and any extension for the shifters or steering for a one inch body?

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if you buy a good complete lift kit, it should already come with extended brake lines. I have a one inch body lift and you dont need to extend anything other than the front lines. The steering is fine and the shifter is fine. the only thing your gonna wanna watch out for is your fan cover in the front and your driveline angles. 3 inches is usually the cutoff for needing a CV shaft and a SYE. Plan for the worst, and hope for the best. So don't be surprised if you get some vibrations.

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Some lifts come with extended brake lines, some don't. Do not judge the quality of the kit by whether it comes with extended brake lines. You do need them on the front though.

Your 4.56 gearing will be good if you have the automatic, but if you have the 5 speed you should regear to 4.88.

If you will be going with a kit (rather than putting together your own)
Take a look at the Zone 4.25" combo lift if you're on a tight budget Zone Offroad 4.25" Combo System J25/J26

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i have the AX5 tranny. and how is the quality of the zone products? ive never heard of them before.
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I am not too familiar with Zone Offroad, but it seems that their control arms are fixed. It is a fairly cheap lift kit but it gets the job done. When it comes to suspension you should look at three things at least.

1. Shocks:
they give you the ride quality by absorbing impact from the road. Monotube is usually a nitrogen charged shock and has a rough ride but is in my opinion the best kind out there. Then dual tube uses a hydraulic oil. These shocks can tend to fade as the oil inside can form bubbles during rough rides but these tend to be cheaper.

2. Springs:
Springs hold up your vehicle. They keep the vehicle off the ground. Look for different spring rates. The higher quality spring, the longer it will last.

3. Control Arms:
They usually come with lift kits over two inches. Short arms are cheaper and Long arms give for a better suspension geometry. While I run short arms, long arms are the way to go. They give more flex. You want to look at the types of bushings used on the control arms. These are what allow your axle to articulate. If you have a simple clevite bushing, Your not ganna be able to flex a lot. The Currie Enterprises Johnny Joint is one of the best on the market and allows for a LOT of flex. I run the Rubicon Express Superflex lift and they work amazing. I highly reccomend them. Another thing about control arms, look for adjustable ones. This will allow you to set your pinion angle to what you need.

Just by what little research i have done on Zone Offroad, i am not going to say that they are a bad company, I just think they are not the best company for lift kits. If that is all your budget will allow, then by all means go for it. Just do your research and look into the suspension components. Usually you get what you pay for.
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Some lifts come with extended brake lines, some don't. Do not judge the quality of the kit by whether it comes with extended brake lines. You do need them on the front though.

Your 4.56 gearing will be good if you have the automatic, but if you have the 5 speed you should regear to 4.88.

If you will be going with a kit (rather than putting together your own)
Take a look at the Zone 4.25" combo lift if you're on a tight budget Zone Offroad 4.25" Combo System J25/J26

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Any your right about judging on the quality of the lift for the brake lines, there are so many factors that come into play.

And with the 4 banger, definetely go 4.88. Your engine will rev higher and youll be able to spin the tires easier.
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X3 on the 4.88 recommendation with your 2.5L engine/33" tire/5-speed combination. 4.56 would only be the right choice only if your engine was the 4.0L.

Your steering will be fine with a 1" body lift, and shifting normally is too. Sometimes, depending on the engine/transmission combination, the transmission shifter can be a little restricted from the shifter opening moving up higher on the shift lever but that's an easy thing to fix.

For longer front brake lines (the rear brake line is fine as is), just go with OE brake lines made for a YJ. YJ brake lines fit a TJ perfectly but are a little longer which is perfect. Plus you can't beat the OE quality. Many of the aftermarket brake lines are cheap junk from China.
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Hey thank you for all the responses. I am now looking into the Zone 4" suspension. I'd be spending about the same for a 3 inch and a 1 inch body that i would be for the zone 4 inch. Might as well get another inch of active spring in there. What all is involved for re-gearing? never done or seen anyone do it yet so I'm new with that
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Just looking at Extreme Terrain and they have the rough country 4" lift for $500. Zone's 4" lift is $530.... Suggestions? i need to save all the money i can for tires and re-gearing.
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Hey thank you for all the responses. I am now looking into the Zone 4" suspension. I'd be spending about the same for a 3 inch and a 1 inch body that i would be for the zone 4 inch. Might as well get another inch of active spring in there. What all is involved for re-gearing? never done or seen anyone do it yet so I'm new with that
This is a mistake. The 4.25 combo lift has many advantages over the 4" suspension lift that you aren't considering.

If you get the 4" suspension lift you're going to need an SYE and DC driveshaft and adjustable control arms which is expensive and will kill your budget. The other option would be a fairly large transfer case drop (1" or more) which negates the added ground clearance gained by the larger suspension lift.

I have the zone combo lift and would absolutely buy it again. Ride is better than stock and it clears 33s with room to spare. Plus it sets me up in the future for a tummy tuck and tube fenders to clear 35s in the future if I decide to go that route.
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This is a mistake. The 4.25 combo lift has many advantages over the 4" suspension lift that you aren't considering.

If you get the 4" suspension lift you're going to need an SYE and DC driveshaft and adjustable control arms which is expensive and will kill your budget. The other option would be a fairly large transfer case drop (1" or more) which negates the added ground clearance gained by the larger suspension lift.

I have the zone combo lift and would absolutely buy it again. Ride is better than stock and it clears 33s with room to spare. Plus it sets me up in the future for a tummy tuck and tube fenders to clear 35s in the future if I decide to go that route.
X2....The zone 4" lift will leave you with a giant transfer case drop which will actually loose you clearance in the center (if you don't go ahead and also buy an sye dc drive shaft, rear adjustable control arms, yada, yada). The 3" suspension lift in the Zone combo kit combined with the small body lift and motor mount lift will sill get you the height (actually a little more), but without the need for all the extras. It also will use your stock control arms which are FAR superior to the fixed CA's in the Zone 4" kit.

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Just looking at Extreme Terrain and they have the rough country 4" lift for $500. Zone's 4" lift is $530.... Suggestions? i need to save all the money i can for tires and re-gearing.
Re-gearing is very labor intensive and is definitely for the expert only. Pretty much you have to take apart your axles completely and rebuild them. It sounds easy on paper but i encourage you to look at other threads about doing so. If you are off with the tolerances just the slightest bit, you have a possible grenade waiting to go off in your diff housing. I was an automotive tec and I did mine with my coworker one weekend and it took about 11 hours. I would suggest having it professionally done and that is big bucks. I have never had it quoted out by a shop but figure 10 hours of work or more at $100 an hour. Plus at least $600 in parts. your talking well over $1600 just for that.
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Just looking at Extreme Terrain and they have the rough country 4" lift for $500. Zone's 4" lift is $530.... Suggestions? i need to save all the money i can for tires and re-gearing.
I RC is going to ride hard and sag in short order, and both use inferior lower CA's and a large t-case drop....but it's your money. If it were me, I would spend a little more on the lift, and wait a little while longer on the regear.
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For longer front brake lines (the rear brake line is fine as is), just go with OE brake lines made for a YJ. YJ brake lines fit a TJ perfectly but are a little longer which is perfect. Plus you can't beat the OE quality. Many of the aftermarket brake lines are cheap junk from China.
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What all is involved for re-gearing? never done or seen anyone do it yet so I'm new with that
You'll need new special tools that you probably don't have, patience, and a damn good understanding of how re-gearing goes. I was nervous doing my first re-gear. It's time consuming but doable if you have a pretty good mechanical aptitude. If it's your DD, I would have a shop do it or find a loaner car. The first time you do this it will be frustrating. It is very detailed work that requires moving/adjusting shim thickness down to .001 of an inch...and yes, that makes a difference. You also might do it wrong causing failure down the road...which equals more money and time spent.

If you do want to learn how to do it, it is very rewarding. I knew with the possibility of re-gearing in the future plus having to re-gear if you break something, I should learn how to do it. My Jeep was not my DD so it could sit in the garage while I got frustrated with it. I had a couple of JF members guide me through it....without them, it would have been a lot more difficult.

Bottom line, it's not for the faint of heart as it will end up costing you more in the long run if you do it wrong (not to mention getting stranded).

Oh yeah, did I mention you need a LOT of patience?
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Okay I guess the combo would make more sense now that I actually am thinking of it. Ill probably go with the Zone 4.25" combo. and for the gearing... how poorly will it run on 4.10s? I am sure I know people who can do the gearing for me but just wondering how it will run without regearing. Once again thanks for all the advice
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You can run 33's with 4.10's. Your probably not ganna like it. I ran 33's with 3.07's for about a month and i completely lost 5th gear and had almost no top end in 4th. Wheeling will be difficult but its not impossible. I did average about 8mpg tho.
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Okay I guess the combo would make more sense now that I actually am thinking of it. Ill probably go with the Zone 4.25" combo. and for the gearing... how poorly will it run on 4.10s? I am sure I know people who can do the gearing for me but just wondering how it will run without regearing. Once again thanks for all the advice
The 4.10's won't be great with 33's, but it will be better than the 3.07's some of us have run for a while with the 4.0L and 33's.
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I have 4.10s with my 4.0 and 33s and have no problems. For me the tires are only about 1.5" larger than stock so it didn't change much of anything.
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So I could run it on 4.10s even my 2.5L? and tires.. I want 33x10.5 but I want to put them on my stock wheels. How much clearance will I have with those tires on stock wheels? I was thinking 1.5" wheel spaces maybe
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4.10 wouldn't be enough gear for 33's and the 2.5 engine. You really need 4.88 if you have the 5-speed or 4.56 if you have the 3-speed automatic.
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4.10 wouldn't be enough gear for 33's and the 2.5 engine. You really need 4.88 if you have the 5-speed or 4.56 if you have the 3-speed automatic.
Will it still be able to roll down the road? I really only drive it around town and occasionally up to my buddy's house hour and a half away. I have the AX5 btw
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Kinda barely sorta. 5th gear will become pretty much unusable and starting off in 1st gear will feel like you're in 2nd gear.
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This is my my tire and engine/tranny combo and it is not as bad as some people might lead you to believe. On hills, yeah it's a pain. But on flat ground it's really not that bad. And 5th is still useful as long as your on flat ground. Gas mileage also isn't too bad if you can stay out of it. I average 17.5 in the mountains where I go to school and 19.5-20 on the flatter ground back home over breaks. It does take a very patient driver though. My girlfriend hates it which is another reason for me not to regear. Keeps her from wanting to be in the drivers seat
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Just finished my Zone combo a week and a half ago, and regeared to 4.88 on Sunday. I got it done by Robert at RwkHaus Supply for less than a grand, incl. Revolution gears and labor. (Not including zip lockers front and back) he finished in about 4 hours.
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well ill be running 4.10s for a little with 33s. just need to start working soon to get the rest of the money lol. thanks for all the responses!
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Honestly don't see regearing your 4.10 being worth it. Have you driven it yet? How has it been?
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I certainly won't be regearing mine anytime soon. Heck, unless I win the lottery I doubt I ever will.
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Another question... i want to keep my stock wheels and run 33x10.5 M/T tires. will i be able to do that without rubbing?

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