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Old 06-18-2014, 01:08 PM
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Brake Pads

Let's assume that Black Magic brake pads are the best.

What is second best?

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EBC Yellowstuffs???

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In terms of outright friction, fade resistance, stopping power without extreme rotor wear, noise/dust production, best balance of____?

Insofar as the question is generalized, possibly EBC yellows, depending on whether or not some other products I've used are available for these calipers I'd likely agree.
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In terms of outright friction, fade resistance, stopping power without extreme rotor wear, noise/dust production, best balance of____?
I don't have a need for extremes in any area. Rotor-friendly is good. Quiet is good. Better than average stopping power, but no need anything exceptional. Dust is not a consideration.

I tried EBC GreenStuff last time and was not overly impressed. Was considering Akebono ProAct, Hawk ceramic or Centric Posi-Quiet.
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EBC Yellowstuffs???
I'd agree with EBC YELLOW.
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My 00 is still fairly stock but I am running 33x10.50s and noticed a slight difference in braking with the larger diameter tires. I put Wagner Thermoquiet pads on the front a few weeks ago and have been very pleased. It took a few days for them to break in.
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I tried EBC GreenStuff last time and was not overly impressed. Was considering Akebono ProAct, Hawk ceramic or Centric Posi-Quiet.
I wasn't that impressed with EBC altogether on the car I tried them on, I found the Hawk HP+ to perform much better, however they were noisy and made a ton of dust (for those who care).

I also used the Hawk DTC70 extensively, and actually like it a lot but it's not much of a street pad. I never did try their ceramic pads so I have zero on those.

I have replaced a set on my old '99 with the Wagner pads, but it was really a stop-gap deal and while I wasn't distraught over the purchase, they were simply "acceptable". From everyone who's ever tried BMB's and Yellows (with the exception of one guy who was always argumentative and confrontational) everyone who like the yellows more than anything they had tried prior, liked the BMB's that much more.

I know that doesn't help much since I don't have first hand with any of the compounds you are considering, but it is a compilation of my general experience and research findings that I am giving in an attempt to be helpful. Good luck, and I hope you enjoy whichever way you end up going.
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Thanks for all the good info. I am generally not adverse to spending money for quality, but I am just not convinced that I need racing pads. I did find a deal on some Hawk ceramics, so I will probably give them a try.
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Let's assume that Black Magic brake pads are the best.

What is second best?
I've used Black Magic, Carbotech, EBC Yellowstuff and OEM pads. OEM pads are scary bad.

I'd consider the Carbotech better than EBC Yellows. Both are worse than Black Magic. Carbotech is more expensive than Black Magic too.

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Thanks for all the good info. I am generally not adverse to spending money for quality, but I am just not convinced that I need racing pads. I did find a deal on some Hawk ceramics, so I will probably give them a try.
Black Magic pads are not racing pads....you wouldn't want racing pads on your Jeep anyway. You'd never get them hot enough....racing pads are typically designed for max braking when the rotors are red hot or close to it. For your Jeep, you want good pads with an effective operating temperature around what you'll see on the street and trail. BMB's do that very well, which is why people recommend them.

Also keep in mind if you ride your brakes lightly and/or come to a gradual braking stop, with minimal pedal pressure, then you're in trouble. That will wreck brake pads by glazing them over...regardless of brand. If you want good brakes you need to use them.
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All true. Brakes need to be used assertively, and racing compounds do not have good cold friction which is why they really suck at street driving duty.

I know that I was happy to see that the pads on my LJ have lots of miles left. Not because I think they are a great compound, but because it gives me time to save up for the Vanco big brake kit rather than buying just BMB pads and CP rotors, then having to buy the kit later (that comes with the BMB pads and CP rotors). Between the experience of others and a brief PM exchange with Blaine, I know I'll be buying BMB for my rig as anything lesser would be counterproductive to my intended uses and setup.

I do understand that not everyone wants to outfit their rig with the best equipment for financial or other reasons, but $250 (or whatever they are currently) isn't a lot of money relative to quality brake components that perform.
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Black Magic pads are not racing pads....you wouldn't want racing pads on your Jeep anyway.
Having put forth my best effort to exclude Black Magic from the discussion, it wasn't Black Magic that I was thinking about, it was Yellow Stuff.

EBC does make a number of references to racing and track use when describing its Yellow Stuff line.

Here is a quote from EBC regarding Yellow Stuff (emphasis added):

Although a full race material and capable of high temperature use with very good wear life, this new formulation sets a new trend in race type brake pad compounds and has been used by numerous championship race and rally drivers and is truly a milestone in brake pad material development. Ideal for Fastest street, Trackday, Rally, Drags and Drifting.

If EBC says their product is a racing pad, I am not going to argue.
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If EBC says their product is a racing pad, I am not going to argue.
I'm not disagreeing with you. Just saying my experience has been: Black Magic > Carbotech > Yellowstuff, for DD/weekend warrior usage on a Jeep.
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I got no name pads. My jeep stops great. Think there would be a recall if they didn't work. Fork over the dough.
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Regular autozone, better pads have served me well for many years as a DD. I don't need to spend $100 per axle.
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I did find a deal on some Hawk ceramics, so I will probably give them a try.
Post up your impressions of them so others have another point of reference regarding pads that are outside of the BMB/Yellowstuff equation. In any case I hope they work well for your intended purposes.
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Are you running the factory grade brake pads on a stock setup or are you running bigger tires? The setup has a lot to do with the need for better suited brake pads.
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If EBC says their product is a racing pad, I am not going to argue.

How EBC chooses to market the yellows doesn't impact how the pads perform. I've been running them for a few years and they work good considering the lame OEM calipers. I would have gone the BMB route if I'd known of them at the time, though.







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