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Old 05-25-2015, 10:00 AM
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Dana 44 Front axle upgrade what to buy?

Good day Gents,

I've got a 2005 Rubicon LJ running 35's with 5.13 gears Dana 44…

I have a bad vibration that I've been chasing down for about 3 months and discovered a front bent axle…

I want to upgrade the front so what do I install, I want to do it one time and prefer them to last.

Thanks for your time!

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Good day Gents,

I've got a 2005 Rubicon LJ running 35's with 5.13 gears Dana 44…

I have a bad vibration that I've been chasing down for about 3 months and discovered a front bent axle…

I want to upgrade the front so what do I install, I want to do it one time and prefer them to last.

Thanks for your time!
Definitely truss the axle housings if you're running heavy tires. If you wheel hard most guys will recommend it

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Already did that when I put in the 5.13's. Now I need advice on what axles to purchase...
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Get a real d44 front axle instead of the rubicon hybrid 30/44

Found in full size wagoners but has a different lug pattern
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Like I said, looking for upgraded axles for my current set up, not looking for a new jeep or someone else's axle…
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RCV is the best option.

Yukon is a distant 2nd best option.
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RCV is the best option.

Yukon is a distant 2nd best option.
This.

Early on the RCV's had some longevity issues (or some user defined problems depending what you read) but today the RCV's are the way to go.

For a set of CroMo shafts you're going to pay in the neighborhood of $750, for the RCV's you're talking about $1050, $300 is not exactly nothing, but it's a small cost for a significant upgrade beyond u-joints.
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I'd rather have a set of the new Revolution chromoly axles with 1350 u joints than RCVs.
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RCV is the best option.

Yukon is a distant 2nd best option.
X2 mind as well shell out the cash for the better option. I haven't heard any complaints about them from guys that wheel hard. Nice profile pic nick love caddyshack
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I would go with a high pinion Dana 30, ARB, and upgraded axle shafts.
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The JKR sized u joints hold up to 37" tires without a problem and don't suffer from the clicking problems that RCVs can have.
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Because people often assume a larger U joint is the best option. If that is was they think then by all means it must be true. They certainly wouldn't ever buy something based on bigger is better mantra.


The OP asked about axles. Not joints. RCV axles are incredibly strong.

Yes 1350 are stronger than 1310. This is where the point is missed and I start giggling.

Comparing an RCV joint to a U joint is an extremely unfair comparison for the U joint.

U joints fail when you are turned to lock and your tires bite. Bang. Done. I've had it happen and countless others have as well. If they are worn this will happen ever easier.

Sure going to a larger U joint will be stronger. But....typically you are also upgrading tire size as already mentioned. So...

The advantage of an RCV joint is that they don't hop, skip or jump at full turn. Nice and smooth. No breaky breaky.

I could be wrong of course. That would also mean that nearly every Ultra 4 team is wrong. and so I giggle.
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Good day Gents,

I've got a 2005 Rubicon LJ running 35's with 5.13 gears Dana 44…

I have a bad vibration that I've been chasing down for about 3 months and discovered a front bent axle…

I want to upgrade the front so what do I install, I want to do it one time and prefer them to last.

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so to clarify did you bend an axle shaft or the axle tube?
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The advantage of an RCV joint is that they don't hop, skip or jump at full turn. Nice and smooth. No breaky breaky.
Neither did my previous Spicer 5-760x or do my current CTM u-joints.
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Because people often assume a larger U joint is the best option. If that is was they think then by all means it must be true. They certainly wouldn't ever buy something based on bigger is better mantra.


The OP asked about axles. Not joints. RCV axles are incredibly strong.

Yes 1350 are stronger than 1310. This is where the point is missed and I start giggling.

Comparing an RCV joint to a U joint is an extremely unfair comparison for the U joint.

U joints fail when you are turned to lock and your tires bite. Bang. Done. I've had it happen and countless others have as well. If they are worn this will happen ever easier.

Sure going to a larger U joint will be stronger. But....typically you are also upgrading tire size as already mentioned. So...

The advantage of an RCV joint is that they don't hop, skip or jump at full turn. Nice and smooth. No breaky breaky.

I could be wrong of course. That would also mean that nearly every Ultra 4 team is wrong. and so I giggle.
Do you run RCV axles?
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when I broke a joint on my AlloyUSA front axle shafts I started looking for something stronger and everything I found came back to RCV axles as being the solution for me.

I found RCV axles were a lot like ARB lockers..... when asking questions about either product..... The people that talk them down are usually not running them and they haven't had the first hand knowledge of them. The people that love them are running them and would run nothing but them again.....

Good luck with whichever axles you decide to run.

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Do you run RCV axles?
Not in my TJ. I run Yukon axles with the Spicer joints mentioned by Sir Jerry. At full turn they hop, skip and bite just like every other U joint.

I have installed RCV's in two D60's and one Rockwell. Both rigs turn smoother than my TJ
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Not in my TJ. I run Yukon axles with the Spicer joints mentioned by Sir Jerry. At full turn they hop, skip and bite just like every other U joint.
Perhaps your Yukon axle ears are getting in the way because my TJ with its Superior Axle Evolution axle shafts turns smoothly with its u-joints. I've never run Yukons but I've run both Warn and Superior axle shafts up front with both Spicer and CTM u-joints and don't recall ever experiencing what you're describing.
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I'd rather have a set of the new Revolution chromoly axles with 1350 u joints than RCVs.
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I'm with 88Hatchey, not to mention the US manufactured and forged 30 spline RGA shafts with the 1350's are less spendy. No doubt the RCVs are a superb product but so is the RGA. Heck so are my Superior Axle Evolution front shafts and so were my previous Warn shafts. RCV is not the only good quality axle shaft vendor.

And I still don't recall ever having jerky steering with either of my front shafts or u-joints. If it was like described above, I'd want the RCVs too but...
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I'm with 88Hatchey, not to mention the US manufactured and forged 30 spline RGA shafts with the 1350's are less spendy. No doubt the RCVs are a superb product but so is the RGA. Heck so are my Superior Axle Evolution front shafts and so were my previous Warn shafts. RCV is not the only good quality axle shaft vendor.

And I still don't recall ever having jerky steering with either of my front shafts or u-joints. If it was like described above, I'd want the RCVs too but...


I agree with you 100% RCV is not the only one building quality parts in the US. I don't think you'll go wrong with any upgrade over the stock axles.

I am surprised Jerry that you have not felt the condition I speak of. Every 4WD Jeep or truck I've owned or driven for that matter bites at full turn when 4wd is engaged. It is considerably less noticeable when on gravel or snow but when on pavement or slickrock it is very noticeable.
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I agree with you 100% RCV is not the only one building quality parts in the US. I don't think you'll go wrong with any upgrade over the stock axles. I am surprised Jerry that you have not felt the condition I speak of. Every 4WD Jeep or truck I've owned or driven for that matter bites at full turn when 4wd is engaged. It is considerably less noticeable when on gravel or snow but when on pavement or slickrock it is very noticeable.
are you sure that's from u-joints and not the fact you're turning sharp on pavement with 2 axles locked to each other ?
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It's the U joints, it's the same for all U jointed axles. If you haven't noticed it, maybe you don't go wheeling.
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It's the U joints, it's the same for all U jointed axles. If you haven't noticed it, maybe you don't go wheeling.
Maybe you should try driving my TJ then.
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Yeah, I'm sure TJs are exempt ! Their U joints are special. Like you !
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I run yukon front alloy shafts in my XJ HP30 (shafts were on it when I bought it, not sure what brand u-joints) with 35's, full time locker, and don't recall any of this hop skip stuff mentioned above in turns. That being said i think RCV makes a great product. I know years ago when I did a TJ build i skipped the shafts and truss and all that crap and just went with 1 tons.. So many other pluses to that route vs putting bandaids on smaller axles.
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So, when you guys are in 4wd, crank your tires ALL the way to one side and apply gas, you don't feel anything like what's described? I've never NOT felt it with and of the Jeeps I've owned. Next time your front tires are bound up on rocks, and your tires are all the way to one side,just gas it and see if you feel and hear a loud bang. That's your U joint breaking.
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To the OPs original question, some folks go with G2 axles, Teraflex, and Dynatrac ProRock for aftermarket axles. Personally, I'd go with East Coast Gear Supply. You get a 5-year warranty and have a ton of options, including trusses, tube sleeves, c-arm gussett, gear and locker choices, etc.

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