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Old 09-24-2015, 11:19 AM
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Just finished my ZJ tie rod conversion

So I just finished swapping out my tiny stock TJ tie rod/ drag link (.66" hollow tube) set up with the much heavier duty ZJ tie rod/drag link set up(1" solid tube), and I have to say im more than impressed

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Definitely a good mod. I put a ZJ tie rod on mine back in March and have no complaints.

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Yeah, just gotta paint it and call it good, easy cheap mod, gotta love it!
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This mod will hopefully be put in when I do a lift. Also I didn't know the stock tie rod was hollow tube?
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This mod will hopefully be put in when I do a lift. Also I didn't know the stock tie rod was hollow tube?
Yeah, its a simple upgrade, can be done for cheap, I salvaged the entire setup off of a 93 Grand Cherokee V8, only thing that needed replaced was the dust boots.
There are quite a few write up on this swap, heres a few I found most useful.
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How much in total did that mod cost you?

Ill be looking to do the same mod in a few months time.
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How much in total did that mod cost you?

Ill be looking to do the same mod in a few months time.
If you decide to go all new parts its gonna cost you around $100, but if you have a salvage yard near you, you can pluck one off any Zj Grand Cherokee with a V8. Cost me under $30
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awesome mod- I have it done on mine to...but one thing I would never ever ever salvage is the tie-rod - the tie-rod going on you could very easily cost you your life or someone else's. If you're going to do this mod, spend the money and go new - the cost difference is so negligible there is no reason not to.
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Brand new for 100$ I love it!
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awesome mod- I have it done on mine to...but one thing I would never ever ever salvage is the tie-rod - the tie-rod going on you could very easily cost you your life or someone else's. If you're going to do this mod, spend the money and go new - the cost difference is so negligible there is no reason not to.
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awesome mod- I have it done on mine to...but one thing I would never ever ever salvage is the tie-rod - the tie-rod going on you could very easily cost you your life or someone else's. If you're going to do this mod, spend the money and go new - the cost difference is so negligible there is no reason not to.
Same could be said about the drag link too I suppose.
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Same could be said about the drag link too I suppose.
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Care to elaborate?
Don't use old/used parts when it comes to suspension/ steering parts...good enough?
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Don't use old/used parts when it comes to suspension/ steering parts...good enough?
Yes thank you for the attitude as well, it really helped to get the point across...
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Yes thank you for the attitude as well, it really helped to get the point across...
Just checking if you needed more info.
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Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us invalids, its unfortunate we weren't all born with the great knowledge you posses. Now if you could only figure out how to get that Cialis to work faster
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Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us invalids, its unfortunate we weren't all born with the great knowledge you posses. Now if you could only figure out how to get that Cialis to work faster
If you take 2 it may work better for you.

Best of luck with that, sorry to hear about your problem.
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Good one, nothing like a good ad hominem
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Lol u guys. Be nice

The point is you don't know the history of the junk yard part, and if a tie rod or drag link fail while driving, you could wreck your vehicle and someone else's and possibly injure someone.
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And when you bury a bolt pay $200 for a 20 cent bolt by requiring the supplier exhaustively test and certify it right after he pulls it out of the 20 cent bin
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When buying junk yard parts it says buyer beware somewhere on that receipt. If one is buying junk yard parts I would gather that they have the knowledge to figure out if the said part is wore out or not. If not there is natural selection to consider.
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I think the general consensus from this thread is that for a part considered wearable by most, it's worth the extra $75 or so to get new parts. Tie rods do wear with time, just like brake rotors or serpentine belts, so none of those would be high on my list to pick up from a junk yard.
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Thank you for a genuine responses, I had the parts all looked over by a master mechanic, doesnt guarantee that the parts are 100% but for the time being they'll do. Once I have the extra cash flow i will be purchasing new parts.
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So never buy a used vehicle never trust a recharged battery never drive with gas over two weeks old

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not at all there are 1000 parts I would buy used from a junkyard... a tie-rod and or ball joint is one of the few things that I 100% advise against and will never think is worth it or a good idea.

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I don't quite know how to interpret this- bolt grades are graded as such for a reason and they were well thought out given the load/stress applied to each. You don't need expensive "certified" bolts- you need the correct grade bolts for the task at hand. Every bolt has different stretch factors- some are TTY and require you to buy a new bolt after you remove it because it has already been "stretched"

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A tie rod is a part that is considered "wearable" like stated above already. It isn't the easiest part to determine if it is good - yes there are tests to do, but I have seen a "good" tie-rod that passed the "test" fail a week later. Coming from a junkyard car you don't know the history, you don't know the impact it has sustained (if in an accident, front or rear because it may of been subjected to "binding"), you don't know if it had been replaced with a "cheap" replacement etc etc.

Now, you'll say ya that is every junkyard part- you're right...but the big difference with the tie rod vs any other part...is virtually any other part can fail on you and it will give you a sign it is failing...or it can outright fail and is not a danger to your life or others. A tie-rod on the other hand if it fails, it fails with zero warning other than you have no steering and a very high potential fatal/serious accident on your hands.


Here is something to think about- you can buy a brake caliper at a yard...if you check it out to be fine and it starts to fail- you'll feel that brake start to stick, you'll hear your brakes squeal- if the seal blows out...hey maybe you lose 2 brakes, but your master cylinder is partitioned so you'll still have your other 2 brakes- not an ideal situation, but you still have control and are generally fine...

take another part- lets say shocks...they fail or start to go bad, the ride gets bouncy, maybe you bottom out...you're fine

The tierod fails, it fails with no warning...you can't steer, and if you're lucky and it happens on a side street when you're going 20mph you probably walk away and or have minor damage to your vehicle and possibly property or someone elses- if you are less fortunate and it happens on the highway... count your blessings if you walk away.

Or it could end up like my buddies kia...driving along going home on some back streets doing 40mph, went to make a turn around a bend and the tie-rod gave out...happened so fast the only thing he remembered saying was "shit" then went face first into a big tree... seatbelt ripped and the air bag malfunctioned and he ate the steering wheel (he's a big guy though) ...he came to and had paramedics standing over him and a crowd around his vehicle. He's lucky to have lived. I told him he should have sued kia, but that is another story. No reason the seatbelt should ever tear...

back to the topic at hand- don't get me wrong, I am a huge advocate for buying junkyard parts- they can save you a lot of money and there can be some gems to grab...but critical wearable parts like that in my opinion shouldn't even be legal for resale.
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The bolt is based on how the goberment buys a bolt.

They don't buy just a grade X bolt of a certain size they want a twenty point test result and guarantee it meets a list of specs and a few suppliers find it profitable to take their standard already graded bolt and either really do the tests or at least certify they did and sell the bolt plus the paper with the price jacked up a few or several thousand percent

Now I guess I missed the frequent tie rod failures

Tires yes axles yes
Most ball joints or tie rod ends get loose rather than shear off unless you mean a collision where even a new one can fail

Seen a corvette destroyed secondary to a novice driver and a stuck acell cable seen a few wheels fall off. Seen a few failed tires and rolled cars even seen steel railroad wheel fail and derailment.

Tie rod failure short of collision just ain't on my worry list kinda like rabid zebras potential risk but not worth the worry

Unless the junk yard vehicle shows front end damage or scraping I think your worry is grossly overestimated

Granted donT know how many curbs were hit but same with all used cars sold and ever rental car you drive and no one changes the tie rods just in case.

The ones I pass on that are bent up grint have yet to have a sheared tie rod

Kinda like three headed babies sure donT want one but pretty dumb to spend a lot of time in pregnancy worrying that you might have one

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