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Old 11-09-2015, 12:53 PM
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More 06 wrangler issues

First off, thanks to anyone reading this for trying to help. I'll try to keep it short

1. Bought 06 wrangler X June 2014

2. Had howling monkeys, replaced OPDA in August 2014. Messed up install, timing was off.

3. Jeep kept going into limp mode, moved the OPDA until the timing got back to where the jeep ran normal.

4. Jeep got slow to crank, eventually wouldn't crank, check engine light came on with code p0344 - camshaft position sensor. Replaced crown sensor with new mopar from the dealership, everything ran great again.

5. About 3 weeks ago, jeep got slow to crank again, CEL came back on, same p0344 camshaft code came back. Hooked it up to a snapon diagnosis tool, came back bad crankshaft sensor. Tested the sensor, it was getting the volts it needed but putting out way too low and the wave lengths? CEL went off after the scan tool, bought new crankshaft sensor from the dealership and replaced it a week and a half ago

6. Three days ago, the jeep got slow to crank again, but seemed fine

7. This morning, went to crank the jeep and it would not crank. It turns over fine, but wouldn't crank. I stepped on the gas two or three times and it slowly fired up, with the CEL on. This time, the code is p0340, which is also a camshaft code, but a different one

Does anyone have any ideas as to what could be going on/what to try next? I'm getting frustrated and the issues all seem to stem from the OPDA. Thanks for any input/advice!

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You check the wear on the cam gear?

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You check the wear on the cam gear?
No, when we replaced it I think it looked good but I don't remember. I'll have to check it when I've got some help though. My skill level would just mess it up more.

I just cranked it to get it into the garage and it did the same thing. Wouldn't crank unless I stomped the gas a bit. I disconnected the battery and will let it sit for a while to reset everything. Someone mentioned a sensor relearn may help
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Sounds like the timing is still off to me. Did you put the motor at top dead center when you replaced the opda?
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Sounds like the timing is still off to me. Did you put the motor at top dead center when you replaced the opda?
That's what I got to thinking last night, that we didn't get it to TDC, but just close and still off. When we replaced it, we marked the old units place and removed it, and tried to put the new one back in how the old one was. we messed up and got it way off, the jeep wouldn't run. We took it out and put it back several times bumping the starter as we went until it got to where the jeep was running again. It was still a little off, so we just adjusted the OPDA side to side and that seemed to fix it for a while, but I'm still having issues. I think I need to remove it and re do the whole process, making sure it's at TDC this time Will I need to get a new unit, or just try reinstalling the "old" new unit?
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Update: I hooked the battery back up, cranked the jeep and it started right up, no check engine light or anything else. Turned the jeep back off This morning, I go to test drive it and it cranks right up, but with the CEL on, code P0344 this time. I try to drive it, but it is in "limp mode" and won't go above 2500 RPMS without cutting out

Any ideas on why it would go from fine to Terrible in just a matter of a few days?

Help! Thanks!
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Here are a couple others having similar issues. There is also a TSB on this.

Both also changed the OPDA & got the common P0344 code with the Dorman & Crown replacements. They then got a new sensor from the dealer (OEM Mopar, I assume) & are still getting the P0344. I wonder if the dealers are getting sub-par sensors like Dorman & Crown are using but I have not seen any who put the old sensor in the new units have this problem, only putting a new Mopar sensor in. You have to wonder…

Follow these to see it they get it solved.

Cam/crankshaft Difference Degree - JeepForum.com


P0344: OPDA problem - JeepForum.com

Note that P0340 is loss of cam sensor signal & P0344 is intermittent signal loss. I have read that you can’t start it with no sensor signal but when running you can actually disconnect the sensor & it will keep running & it runs fine but you will get the CEL for no signal of course. That tells me when it won’t start you have no signal but if you keep trying if it gets a signal, even briefly, it will start. So a P0344 can keep it from starting sometimes but allow it to start other times. I assume when it is not starting you might see the P0340, then when it starts you would get the P0344 if it loses signal when running. Since it is intermittent, you never know.

They guy in the 1st link can actually get it out of limp mode but the code is still there. Odd to say the least & they have replaced the PCM & checked all the wiring at a pretty good Jeep dealership. Still not fixed.
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I think its definitely a timing issue. Pull the opda and see if you can line up where that plastic pin was holding. Then put the engine at tdc and try it again. There are a few youtubes that will show you exactly. Just do a search for opda. Definitely timing though.
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Loss of signal is not normally a timing issue. I have seen many times where the OPDA is out of time, called out of cam/crank sync, from getting it set in the wrong position. Every time the code is P0016.

P0016 - Crankshaft/Camshaft Timing Misalignment - A rationality error has been detected for camshaft position out of phase with crankshaft.

Search P0016 & see.

With that said, it certainly won’t hurt to check it.
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Thanks for all the information, although those two links depressed me. Seems like neither were able to get it fixed and has diagnoses coming from everywhere.

I think I'm going to have someone help me pull the OPDA, get the jeep to TDC, and put the OPDA back in and see what happens. I was going to try it today but I have no clue about TDC. And marking my unit and putting it back the same way won't help anything.

In the first post, they said they knew how many degrees the OPDA was off. How do you tell that?
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I was having issues and had to replace the whole shaft assy w a new one . Mine was worn out
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Turn over and crank are the same thing so I guess every time you referred to slow to crank it was cranking briskly just not starting very soon?

If really cranking slow think battery or starter as a good battery and a good starter should crank (spin) the engine's crankshaft just fine even without fuel or spark
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Thanks for all the information, although those two links depressed me. Seems like neither were able to get it fixed and has diagnoses coming from everywhere.

I think I'm going to have someone help me pull the OPDA, get the jeep to TDC, and put the OPDA back in and see what happens. I was going to try it today but I have no clue about TDC. And marking my unit and putting it back the same way won't help anything.

In the first post, they said they knew how many degrees the OPDA was off. How do you tell that?
If you pull the OPDA be sure it is at TDC & the alignment holes are lined up or close to lining up BEFORE you pull it or you will have a bigger task. There is really no reason to pull it though. Just get the engine to exactly TDC & see if the 2 holes, 1 in the bottom of the housing & the other in the wheel, are exactly lined up. If they happen to be across from each other turn the engine around 1 more time again exactly to TDC & check the holes. If the holes are off you can loosen the bolt & turn the housing to get them lined up & retighten the bolt being careful not to let the housing turn.
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Turn over and crank are the same thing so I guess every time you referred to slow to crank it was cranking briskly just not starting very soon? If really cranking slow think battery or starter as a good battery and a good starter should crank (spin) the engine's crankshaft just fine even without fuel or spark
Sorry, I should have explained that better. When I say slow to crank, it will turn over fine but will not start and run.
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So yesterday we took the cover off the OPDA and put the jeep at TDC, the holes lines up perfectly. So it's not that. I took it for a test drive yesterday and it drove fine, but the CEL was still one. Today I took it for a test drive and Limp mode was back. I'm torn between taking it somewhere and having them check it out or seeing if replacing the sensor again will get things back to normal, at least for a while. Last time I replaced the sensor it got me 6 months of normal driving.
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Sure you are not out 180 on cam ODPA and out 360 on crank

TDC comes around twice for every opda rotation you want TDC on compression stroke not exhaust stroke
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To me that (good for 6 months) tells me it is most likely the sensor. It is cheaper & easier than paying someone to go through everything & probably recommending a PCM like happened to the guy in one of the links I gave you & that did not fix his.

If you do replace the sensor & it fixes it be sure to post. Others with the same problem (2 that I know of) would appreciate it.
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We put it at TDC once and it was opposite of the hole, sent it around again and it was dead even. We used a finger in the plug hole to check for compression.

I'm planning on buying a new sensor tomorrow to see what happens. I'll be sure to post once I do
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Sounds like you got it covered, I just have no way to know what people do and don't know

When I was much younger a friend down the street got my help adjusting the valves on his solid lifter 1969 boss 302 mustang

I did the cold adjust and left advising him to run it till warm then repeat the procedure for hot adjust

He called me back after it was barely running after he did/attempted the hot adjust on the wrong top dead center
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Sounds like you got it covered, I just have no way to know what people do and don't know When I was much younger a friend down the street got my help adjusting the valves on his solid lifter 1969 boss 302 mustang I did the cold adjust and left advising him to run it till warm then repeat the procedure for hot adjust He called me back after it was barely running after he did/attempted the hot adjust on the wrong top dead center
Yeah I have no idea about any of this stuff. Thankfully I had my grandpa to help and he's always been a mechanic. Unfortunate all this electronic sensory stuff is outside his realm
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To me that (good for 6 months) tells me it is most likely the sensor. It is cheaper & easier than paying someone to go through everything & probably recommending a PCM like happened to the guy in one of the links I gave you & that did not fix his. If you do replace the sensor & it fixes it be sure to post. Others with the same problem (2 that I know of) would appreciate it.
I'm praying that I just got a bad one and that a new sensor will fix it
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Do y'all think I will need to take the jeep to the dealership for a sensor relearn after I put the new one in?
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No, you should be able to disconnect the battery to reset the CEL & be good to go.
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No, you should be able to disconnect the battery to reset the CEL & be good to go.
Thanks! The dealership said they'll have the sensor tomorrow so I'll disconnect tonight
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So I switched out the two sensors, reconnected the battery and drove it 10 miles and it drove like a new one. We'll see how it does the next few days. I'll be driving it to work and back 40 miles or so each day for the next few.

Is there a time frame that I should give it before I believe it's fixed? So many miles, hours, etc?
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You got 6 months on the last one so who knows? There doesn't seem to be a definite time on the replacement Dorman/Crown ones, some not a day, others a while, probably some are still going & OK. Until recently I hadn't seen the OEM ones doing this so???.
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You got 6 months on the last one so who knows? There doesn't seem to be a definite time on the replacement Dorman/Crown ones, some not a day, others a while, probably some are still going & OK. Until recently I hadn't seen the OEM ones doing this so???.
True. It's probably cheaper to replace the sensor every 6 months than to pay someone to dig through it. I'll update this if any thing changes, but as of know, we're good!
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I think the can bus 05 and 06 had a lot of unresolved issues but since only the TJ was still using that engine and the JK was about to be released they just kinda got by on all the new emissions crap expecting the real fix to be the JK and since the 4.0 was on its last production and only for one platform that they knew was ending they saw no reason to invest in any real fixes to the issues they had with the new can bus system
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And it's back. Came on going down the highway on the way to work

It's a different code this time - P 0016 this time.

This is so frustrating. Any ideas?
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Loss of signal is not normally a timing issue. I have seen many times where the OPDA is out of time, called out of cam/crank sync, from getting it set in the wrong position. Every time the code is P0016. P0016 - Crankshaft/Camshaft Timing Misalignment - A rationality error has been detected for camshaft position out of phase with crankshaft. Search P0016 & see. With that said, it certainly won’t hurt to check it.
I have little idea about what all this stuff is but I curiously read through this thread because I'm bored at school but this post earlier in the thread seems to be your answer!

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