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Old 03-21-2015, 09:23 AM
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steering...again

OK so my dead spot has reappeared. I am 100% at a loss. Here is what I've done:
New crown HD steering kit
Durango steering box swap
Then I got a professional alignment. It was driving great for 3 days, now the dead spot is back. Same place as always. Any ideas what would cause it to come back so quickly?

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You have checked to make sure the pitman arm is tight and the ball joints have no slop?

Also check the track bar for wallowing at the axle side and slop at the frame side, and check for wallowing at all 8 control arm ends.

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Old 03-21-2015, 09:40 AM
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You have checked to make sure the pitman arm is tight and the ball joints have no slop?

Also check the track bar for wallowing at the axle side and slop at the frame side, and check for wallowing at all 8 control arm ends.
Pitman and ball joints seem OK. Have been checking the track bar constantly, no movement or anything there.

Control arms will be checked. Have not checked those.
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Dry steering test is your best starting place .
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Dry steering test is your best starting place .
I've done what feels like 27 dry steering tests in the past month
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Can you post a few pics? This is quite the conundrum
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Can you post a few pics? This is quite the conundrum
I will as soon as I can. My clutch also blew today so...Yea. Happy spring to me
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OK so its my drag link end at the pitman. 2nd one I've gone through in a month. I upgraded with the crown HD steering and still broke it. I was told "its the angle because of the lift". They suggested a drop pitman. NO! Ideas?
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Must be why Currie has an angled DLE and TREs on his steering? Pretty smart fellow that Mr.Currie seems to be . You have to keep the ends at their correct operating angles. The normal force that an end can normally with stand will be what will destroy them being angled to much, it puts the force in the wrong part of the joint
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Must be why Currie has an angled DLE and TREs on his steering? Pretty smart fellow that Mr.Currie seems to be . You have to keep the ends at their correct operating angles. The normal force that an end can normally with stand will be what will destroy them being angled to much, it puts the force in the wrong part of the joint
Yea. That's what I'm thinking but I don't have the money to upgrade my steering again this month.
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OK so its my drag link end at the pitman. 2nd one I've gone through in a month. I upgraded with the crown HD steering and still broke it. I was told "its the angle because of the lift". They suggested a drop pitman. NO! Ideas?
I thought the crown steering was the equivalent of the ZJ upgrade? If that's the case, I didn't think the drag link was any different than the factory one. I could be wrong there, but if not then that would explain why the new one failed in the same way the last one did. Steering issues drive me nuts!
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I thought the crown steering was the equivalent of the ZJ upgrade? If that's the case, I didn't think the drag link was any different than the factory one. I could be wrong there, but if not then that would explain why the new one failed in the same way the last one did. Steering issues drive me nuts!
Exactly right. BUT why did it steer well and not break the drag link end before? I've had it since October and didn't have any issues until last month. Daily driver the whole time.
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So, can anyone tell me if the Currie system will fix this?
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it should, as long as you don't have any of the other issues listed above.
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Hey Bones, explain to me "Dead Spot". I seem to have a little more play in my steering after I replaced my old TJ Steering box with the remanufactured Durango.
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Hey Bones, explain to me "Dead Spot". I seem to have a little more play in my steering after I replaced my old TJ Steering box with the remanufactured Durango.
As I turn the steering wheel right, the jeep won't turn until I have turned the steering wheel about 3-4 inches. So, with my hand at 12:00 on the wheel, I turn right and get very little response until my hand hits 2:00. Its also known as "excessive play". Basically, the steering wheel moves right, but the wheels won't match the steering wheel movement
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As I turn the steering wheel right, the jeep won't turn until I have turned the steering wheel about 3-4 inches. So, with my hand at 12:00 on the wheel, I turn right and get very little response until my hand hits 2:00. Its also known as "excessive play". Basically, the steering wheel moves right, but the wheels won't match the steering wheel movement
That is what I thought. WOW!!! 2 O'clock. That is a lit of play. I have the same Crown and the Durango reman, and was wondering how bad yours was.

How much lift do you have?
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That is what I thought. WOW!!! 2 O'clock. That is a lit of play. I have the same Crown and the Durango reman, and was wondering how bad yours was.

How much lift do you have?
4.5". Totally different animal. And that's why its so bad for me. Angle of the dangle. Yours is stock right?
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4.5". Totally different animal. And that's why its so bad for me. Angle of the dangle. Yours is stock right?
Almost. I have a 2" budget boost, some shocks, extended brake lines and that is about it. I fit 31"s under it. Like I said before, the same Crown set up, Durango mod, and I also just put in new ball joints, hubs, and 1 axle u-joint and the other maybe Sunday.

I have about 1/2" to an inch of play and I really think it is the gear box. SUCK!!!

I really need to do away with that budget boost, and get some new HD 2" or 3" springs, new shocks, some adjustable control arms, oh, and I guess while I am dreaming, of course some new axles!!!!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!
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Almost. I have a 2" budget boost, some shocks, extended brake lines and that is about it. I fit 31"s under it. Like I said before, the same Crown set up, Durango mod, and I also just put in new ball joints, hubs, and 1 axle u-joint and the other maybe Sunday.

I have about 1/2" to an inch of play and I really think it is the gear box. SUCK!!!

I really need to do away with that budget boost, and get some new HD 2" or 3" springs, new shocks, some adjustable control arms, oh, and I guess while I am dreaming, of course some new axles!!!!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!
I remember you did that other stuff I wasn't sure about the budget boost. Did you check that the pitman is tight on the box? In a few other threads on some unnamed jeep forums I read a few people had issues there. I was really wishing this was my problem.
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Almost. I have a 2" budget boost, some shocks, extended brake lines and that is about it. I fit 31"s under it. Like I said before, the same Crown set up, Durango mod, and I also just put in new ball joints, hubs, and 1 axle u-joint and the other maybe Sunday.

I have about 1/2" to an inch of play and I really think it is the gear box. SUCK!!!

I really need to do away with that budget boost, and get some new HD 2" or 3" springs, new shocks, some adjustable control arms, oh, and I guess while I am dreaming, of course some new axles!!!!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!
OH let me know if you need any extra hands doing the bigger mods. Always willing to drive a little north.
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I remember you did that other stuff I wasn't sure about the budget boost. Did you check that the pitman is tight on the box? In a few other threads on some unnamed jeep forums I read a few people had issues there. I was really wishing this was my problem.
I have not checked it, but I will.

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OH let me know if you need any extra hands doing the bigger mods. Always willing to drive a little north.
I will do that my man. You just make sure to hit me up when you are ready to go do some wheeling!!!!

Hey, on another topic, you working over at Stephen's yet? How is it going? Let me know if you have any questions or need anything. I spent many a year in that business.
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There is no dead spot in my Currie steering. My Jeep steers and corners like a freaking Miata. One of my coworkers is scared of Wranglers since he rolled a CJ back in the day, apparently it rolled over three times. He kept telling me how dangerous my lifted TJ is. I took him for a ride, got to a large, open parking area, on company property and had an impromptu auto-cross. He no longer thinks my Jeep is going to roll over. He also will not ride with me anymore-------! My Jeep corners FLAT and steers tight!
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Have you checked everything for slop? What I mean is, start where the steering shaft comes through the firewall, make sure everything is tight at each u joint, I think there are two before you get to the gearbox.

Having a helper slowly turn back and forth helps. Engine off.

If no slop up to gearbox, then make sure that steering movement at the input of the gearbox translates to pitman arm movement, again, no slop or delay from input to output movement.

If there is that large of a dead spot it should be visible.

Have you checked your ball joints and unit bearings?
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I have not checked it, but I will.

I will do that my man. You just make sure to hit me up when you are ready to go do some wheeling!!!!

Hey, on another topic, you working over at Stephen's yet? How is it going? Let me know if you have any questions or need anything. I spent many a year in that business.
Yea I started 2 weeks ago, working on my first sale right now (I hope). As soon as I get the Currie system on mine we definitely need to wheel, I have hardly done any in this wrangler.

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