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Old 10-26-2010, 07:03 AM
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Steering Question?

Normal or Problem? That's my question. Being new to the Jeep world (1 month) I have no experience and I'm not sure if I have a problem or not.
Here's my issue;
When driving my TJ on the highway the steering feels really loose, constant minor steering adjustments to keep it in lane. The faster I go the more focus it takes to keep it in line. I've read builds and posts that others are driving at 70+mph highway speeds, but I never hear about the steering feel. Is what I'm experiencing normal? Is there a remedy to tighten it up a bit? I understand it's not a sports car and don't expect it to handle like my bmw, but at the sametime if there is something wrong with it, or something I can do to address this I would like to.
Some details that may help; 2002 Wrangler X, bone stock, except upsized to 31's BFG AT (Alignment done with new wheels).
Would a steering stabilizer help this? It doesn't really vibrate, which seems to be what the stablizer addresses.
Any advice/thoughts?
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Hmmmmm. Check the psi in the tires, if they're way overfilled it will want to skate across the road. Other than that, I have nothing.. Oh, make sure your sway bars are connected... If they're disconnected it'll be all squirrely for sure..

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Old 10-26-2010, 09:35 AM
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Hmmmmm. Check the psi in the tires, if they're way overfilled it will want to skate across the road. Other than that, I have nothing.. Oh, make sure your sway bars are connected... If they're disconnected it'll be all squirrely for sure..
Thanks. So what I'm describing is not normal? I'm sure I'm not doing the best jop at describing the feel. Maybe I'll take it to a shop that specializes in Jeeps and let them take it for a spin. I'm in Clarksburg, MD so any recommendations for the Washington, DC area?
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I just replaced my steering shaft, their is a u-joint in it and on mine it was wore out. No way to just replace the u-joint. Mine was very loose though, but felt better when driving slow, the faster I went the worse it felt. mite be worth a look.
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Just made an appointment for next week with Appalachian Offroad in Westminster MD, so we'll see how it goes. Like I said I'm not sure I even have a problem, kinda hope there's something that can be done. Just hoping it's not too costly.
Thanks for the suggestions, Mike
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Just made an appointment for next week with Appalachian Offroad in Westminster MD, so we'll see how it goes. Like I said I'm not sure I even have a problem, kinda hope there's something that can be done. Just hoping it's not too costly.
Thanks for the suggestions, Mike
Well I made it up to Appalachian Offroad in Westminster MD and they looked it over. But they didn't recommend that I address anything immediately, maybe the track bar, but in his opinion everything was functioning fine, within limits.
I was really hoping to find something that I could address so I made an appointment at High Tech Auto and Truck in Chantilly VA. I dealt with Bobby and I was very pleased with the service. They did a complete inspection and gave me some areas that they thought needed addressing. I ended up replacing my stock steering stabalizer, and replacing the sway bar endlinks. Bobby also suggested that I replace the shocks as I was still rolling on original shocks at 95k miles. I decided to wait on the shocks as I would really like a lift, and didn't want to just throw the money away.
The steering is now much more tolerable than before. There's still room for improvement and on Bobby's recommendation I'm confident the shocks will help that.
Just wanted to give a recommendation to anyone in the DC,MD,VA area to check out High Tech Auto.
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have you had your jeep long? reason i ask is the steering-compared to my other 2 vehicles-for lack of a better term seems to be very touchey. not in a bad way, just takes alot less steering wheel movement to make a turn and at speed a little movement does a lot. you do adjust or atleast i have.talk about a lot of fun-recently doing 60-65 mph with a 30 mph cross wind gusting to 70 mph-definatly keeps your attention on driving. i find that the wind plays a big part on how stable the ride is going to be.
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When I bought my first jeep, I drove it 300 plus miles home....i couldn't get passed 75mph and I was all over the road all the way home! I realized later that's a jeep for ya! I had only previously owned small cars, two door coupes.....so when i drove the jeep home I was like, "WHOA!" I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you're just not used to it....wait a while, you'll barely even notice anything later on. That's assuming everything else is indeed intact....
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How closely did they check your toe-in and caster angle settings? Did they check them and give you a printout of what their angles were? If so, can you post them up here? Your issue really sounds like the toe-in is off with a very slim chance your caster angle might be off too.
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sounds like some steering components are worn out. check ball joints, unit bearings, tie-rod ends, track bar, drag link and such.
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Just made an appointment for next week with Appalachian Offroad in Westminster MD, so we'll see how it goes. Like I said I'm not sure I even have a problem, kinda hope there's something that can be done. Just hoping it's not too costly.
Thanks for the suggestions, Mike
You will learn almost everything is costly on a jeep,LOL.
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Jeeps take a little getting use to. They sit on lots of spring so the cabin will roll and pitch some. At first you may find yourself correcting the steering continuously. Eventually you will lighten up on the steering as you realize that 50% of the movement you feel isn't wheel on the road related.
Driving in cross winds or gusty winds can be fun and you may have to reduce speed as the front of the Jeep will seem to have a mind of its own. Wherever practical, such as in the wet on the highway, using 4WD will help stability noticeably.
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The TJ's part-time 4x4 system is not the kind of 4x4 system designed for use on wet highways, that is normally left to full-time 4x4 systems like are available on Liberties, Cherokees, and Grand Cherokees. A full-time 4x4 system that is suitable for use on paved roads is not available on the Wrangler.

Steering-wise, a Wrangler should have stable steering. I barely have to touch my steering wheel on the highway. Unstable steering is normally caused by a bad front-end alignment or sometimes (rarely) bad tires.
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Comparing the steering on my Jeep to the steering on my Van is like apples and oranges. The Jeep is very much "gentle touch" steering on the highway, with little or no wind. The short wheel base is a contributing factor.

One can debate the "in the wet" use of 4WD as has already been done about a week ago. The Jeep.com site says:
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With a Part-Time system, prolonged driving in 4WD High Range is recommended only for wet, loose, or slippery road surfaces. With a Full-Time system, you need not worry about switching to 2WD mode when road surfaces improve.
Engineering FAQs is what they call the section from which that came. Another FAQ answer:
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Part-Time 4WD systems effectively lock the front and rear driveshafts together, forming a single driving unit that does not allow for differential action between the front and rear driveshafts. Driveline noise and binding (Crow Hop) may occur when operated excessively on dry surfaces or in turns. This binding can lead to heat buildup and early part failure.
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Steering-wise, a Wrangler should have stable steering. I barely have to touch my steering wheel on the highway. Unstable steering is normally caused by a bad front-end alignment or sometimes (rarely) bad tires.
Ya, I'm good now. Replacing my stock steering stabalizer, and replacing the sway bar endlink made a world of difference. I'm happy now, and totally feeling the jeep. Shocks up next, gonna do that with a little 2" BB lift, I think.

I've read the Lift/Suspension thread but was wondering if anyone has experience with both SkyJacker Nitro and Rubicon Express Monotube. I know the Rubicon is more, but don't mind spending a little bit more if it's worth the $$$.

Thanks everyone for all the suggestions and help.
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The Skyjacker Nitro is one of the stiffest riding shocks known to mankind, it's not one I would go with. The RE Monotube rides very well but is not a great shock for driving at moderate or faster speeds on rough dirt roads. The OME Nitrocharger is a good riding high quality shock and while it's a tad stiffer riding than the Monotube, it does much better on rougher terrain.
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The Skyjacker Nitro is one of the stiffest riding shocks known to mankind, it's not one I would go with. The RE Monotube rides very well but is not a great shock for driving at moderate or faster speeds on rough dirt roads. The OME Nitrocharger is a good riding high quality shock and while it's a tad stiffer riding than the Monotube, it does much better on rougher terrain.
Thanks for the input Jerry. About 80% of the driving will be highway the other 20% just around town. Only offroading will be the seasonal Pumpkin Patch run, and to the Christmas tree farm . Honestly no offroading or wheelin' just prefer the look of a lift. In your opinion would the OME Nitrocharger serve me well for highway use?
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Absolutely, my Wrangler is a primarily a daily driver so the OME is a good all-around choice. It doesn't give a "cushy" ride like Skyjacker Hydros or the slightly firmer RE Monotube does but it's not overly stiff like the Rancho R5000, Skyjacker Nitro, ProComp ES-3000, or RE twin-tube is either.

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