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Old 11-08-2015, 07:44 PM
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Stock vs a Lift kit

I just want to have a general conversation on the pros and cons of a lift kit for a Jeep. I have no intentions of putting one on but just want to get a feel on the various thoughts of Jeep owners.

I have the largest stock tires possible, and thus the most clearance possible for a stock Jeep...3.0 by 9.5 by 15 tires. I get 17-19 miles per gallon all around. I have enough clearance to get into the national forests here in Wisconsin and maneuver just fine. It also handles well on the highway.

But I would like to hear what various readers of this post have as far as either stock tires or lift kits and why. Any regrets, recommendations or simple comments are welcome!

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It sounds like what you have works well for what you use your Jeep for. I think that use is the determining factor as far as mods go.

I am not a forest road enthusiast, but would rather be where the rocks are. Although I daily drive my Jeep, I don't normally go long distances, and I'm not that concerned about mileage. To me, it's part of the price for my hobby. I get an average of around 14mpg, with 5" of lift and 35's. Part of the enjoyment I get from my Jeep is doing the work and mods myself.

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4" lift with 33s here. I bought a jeep with intentions of lifting it for offroading, but happened to find one already lifted. The 4" definitely help with the trails we have around here (More on the rock crawling side), and the 33s keep the mileage reasonable for a DD. I plan on an additional 1" body lift along with 35" tires in the future to handle the more extreme trails. I am getting around 16 mpg with my rig, and its a daily driver. Handles just fine with metalcloak control arms and bilstein shocks. Eventually this will be a dedicated trail rig.

Here are some of the trails we take on here in Colorado, not doable on 30" tires.


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I'm also in WI. stock suspension on 30 x 9.5's. With no rocks, etc It seems enough for my DD requirements. May do a 1 Or 1.25 body lift someday to get a bit of height and improved access to frame for rust prevention.
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I can see if I were in the Rocky mountains...I could see myself putting in a lift. Or maybe if I participated in one of those Jeep Jamborees.
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keep the hope alive, took a big hit with the forest county crap over the last few years, but it still seems as if an ORV park is in the works for the dairy state
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:15 AM   #7
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I own 2 97 Sport TJ's.

One with 4" SL on 33's. Loads of fun in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado.

Second is stock on 31's. The stock jeep is very capable as it is. I do intend to do a 2" lift just for that little extra.

I love the Wrangler TJ platform. Awesome in stock form. Even better with very little effort if you choose to change things up a bit. HTH.
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When I bought my Rubicon in 2003, I was downsizing from a lifted Ford Ranger that I had regeared, lifted, and set up for desert travel. My Rubicon came with small 31" tires, no lift, and Hella aftermarket 50watt Halogen lights.

Regret #1:
I bought an inexpensive lift kit (Pro-Comp 4") after selling my Ford Ranger at a big loss to a local mechanic. "Help the little guy" was my thinking. He fixed the truck which had a misfire in one of the engine cylinders, and it was sold to a guy down the street from me that dented and re-modified the truck before selling it at a dealership nearby for cheap. Had I sold the truck for the asking price $5,500.00, I could have bought a better performing lift kit from the start (minus the Urethane bushings and stiff ES3000 shocks).

Regret #2:
Buying a hardtop expecting it to provide a quiet highway ride. I bought and sold the hardtop - paid UShip to send it from Colorado at a loss. Soft tops weigh less, providing a lower center of gravity for our Jeeps. My new Black Twill soft top is just as quiet or quieter than the hardtop I sold in 2012.

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Not buying the Currie Currectlync sooner - spending $$$ on Moog replacement parts after my Jeep had been lifted 4". Big money wasted - I could have done the work myself!

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Selling my Tomb Raider-spec 16" Alcoas and not buying 15" Alcoas! I bought the ugly "Slider" wheels, instead. They got bent on a trip in Baja, and I gave them to a friend for free - again, at a loss.

Regret #5:
Not sucking it up and spending the big $$ on an Nth Degree suspension/steering system - while they were still in business! All of the best-built Rubicons in the club (Rubicon Owners of California) ran that suspension, and I was touting the benefits of my 4" Pro-Comp at the time.

After nearly a decade, I started to figure things out and have began to right my Jeep-building wrongs. The good thing about the Jeep platform is there are so many ways (right and wrong) to build a stock Jeep. It takes research, expert input, and money. Just empty every pocket!

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I just want to have a general conversation on the pros and cons of a lift kit for a Jeep. I have no intentions of putting one on but just want to get a feel on the various thoughts of Jeep owners.

I have the largest stock tires possible, and thus the most clearance possible for a stock Jeep...3.0 by 9.5 by 15 tires. I get 17-19 miles per gallon all around. I have enough clearance to get into the national forests here in Wisconsin and maneuver just fine. It also handles well on the highway.

But I would like to hear what various readers of this post have as far as either stock tires or lift kits and why. Any regrets, recommendations or simple comments are welcome!
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I'm also in WI. stock suspension on 30 x 9.5's. With no rocks, etc It seems enough for my DD requirements. May do a 1 Or 1.25 body lift someday to get a bit of height and improved access to frame for rust prevention.

I'm also in Wisconsin. I have stock suspension with 31x10.5x15 tires. I'm kind of like you where I don't do a lot of difficult offroading right now and will probably never see rocky turain. Down the road I am looking at going with 33x10.5x15 tires with a Zone 4.25" combo lift. I thought about going 33x12.5x15 but figured with the winter I'll stick with a little narrower tire. That will be able to move me to the "next bracket" for wheeling while still being very comfortable, as far as I think, as a daily driver. What trails do you ride around here?
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My TJ is my daily driver. I drive it because it fits me well, and my life style.

I have lifted it. 3.5" metalcloak & 1.25" body lift, plus 33" tires.

Armored it. UCF complete front to rear skids.

Changed gearing to accommodate the tires.
Added a new rear bumper tire carrier. ( metalcloak ). To get the heavy tire off the tail gate.

Basically my goal is to be able to travel over rocks if for some reason I find I need to, as well as drive well down the hyway. I don't mistreat it, but I expect it to get me there and back from where ever I might choose.

It's not a toy for me, it's a piece of survival equipment.

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I don't mistreat it, but I expect it to get me there and back from where ever I might choose.

It's not a toy for me, it's a piece of survival equipment.

I love this statement.
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I'm also in Wisconsin. I have stock suspension with 31x10.5x15 tires. I'm kind of like you where I don't do a lot of difficult offroading right now and will probably never see rocky turain. Down the road I am looking at going with 33x10.5x15 tires with a Zone 4.25" combo lift. I thought about going 33x12.5x15 but figured with the winter I'll stick with a little narrower tire. That will be able to move me to the "next bracket" for wheeling while still being very comfortable, as far as I think, as a daily driver. What trails do you ride around here?
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I like to go in the Nicolet National forest and just enjoy the forest roads, tooling around, enjoying the scenary looking for deer, grouse etc. There are some very rough cut trails that at times I will take. I've gone where few trucks would want to go from what I can see. And my 30 by 9.5 tires do the trick. And the are multi season.

I noticed you wrote you have 31 tires. I presume those are 31 by 10.5. Don't you have problems with those rubbing? I thought mine were the largest that could still fit a rig that hasn't been lifted.

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I like to go in the Nicolet National forest and just enjoy the forest roads, tooling around, enjoying the scenary looking for deer, grouse etc. There are some very rough cut trails that at times I will take. I've gone where few trucks would want to go from what I can see. And my 30 by 9.5 tires do the trick. And the are multi season.

I noticed you wrote you have 31 tires. I presume those are 31 by 10.5. Don't you have problems with those rubbing? I thought mine were the largest that could still fit a rig that hasn't been lifted.

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You're right, 30s are the biggest you can have on stock rims that normally have 5" to 5 1/2" of backspacing...I think. I have rims with either a 3 5/8" or 3 3/4" backspacing. I forget which one. But with that backspacing I don't have any rub at full wheel lock with my 31x10.5 tires.
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stock Jeeps do it all.

lifted Jeeps and over size tires create problems, weaknesses to the stock Jeep package.
every modification creates a need for more modifications....

benefits? mostly ego, bragging rights, a need to be different, a love of tinkering, building, changing. And if you spend enough? you can build a stronger, more capable Jeep. But you will need a lot more than tires and a lift kit.
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stock Jeeps do it all.

lifted Jeeps and over size tires create problems, weaknesses to the stock Jeep package.
every modification creates a need for more modifications....

benefits? mostly ego, bragging rights, a need to be different, a love of tinkering, building, changing. And if you spend enough? you can build a stronger, more capable Jeep. But you will need a lot more than tires and a lift kit.
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Old 11-13-2015, 12:39 PM   #16
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chicks dig a lifted jeep.

That's tongue in cheek for the kids that think a manual transmission is a panty dropper. (see thread about the age old argument manual vs. auto)

Best case is you do what is right for you and how you use your jeep. Nothing is the same for everybody. Stock jeeps are pretty capable machines to start with and mine is built around my wants as well as needs for my area, Moab and San Juan mountains around Ouray. Ego? Bragging rights? At 63 and on my 7th jeep since the early 70's, I don't have to worry about ego and nothing to brag about, it is a hobby for me and something I enjoy working on, nothing more, nothing less.
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chicks dig a lifted jeep.
*Chicks dig Jeeps* Then again guys dig Jeeps too, therefore, the argument is irrelevant because you are more likely to have a crowd of dudes surrounding your Jeep than a crowd of chicks. Funny how that works

Like what the majority speaks, build your Jeep around you and your needs. If you just want a fun vehicle to drive around town, no need to pavement pound on 40s. Then again, "You build your Jeep to meet your standards, not ours"
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stock Jeeps do it all.

lifted Jeeps and over size tires create problems, weaknesses to the stock Jeep package.
every modification creates a need for more modifications....

benefits? mostly ego, bragging rights, a need to be different, a love of tinkering, building, changing. And if you spend enough? you can build a stronger, more capable Jeep. But you will need a lot more than tires and a lift kit.
Well, stock jeeps don't really do it *all*. You ever try crossing a 4' ditch or crawl through a rock valley with one? Hard to almost impossible in some cases.
They are, however incredibly capable when compared to other trucks & compact SUVs in a stock form.
You're right about modifying them, though. Trucks are easier to lift since their components are normally already over built for payload and towing. Jeeps aren't designed for that so naturally, they have drive train and suspension components designed to push their own stock weight and not much more.
It takes A LOT more than a set of coils, shocks, and tires to make one more capable. Extended brake hoses, bumpstop extentions, aftermarket rims, SYE, DC driveshafts, adjustable arms and the list goes on and on...
And the least-invasive lift methods(IE:coil spacers) net little performance return.

To the PO, whatever works for you. You *can* fit 31s stock. And if you have rubbing at full lock, just slip some washers behind the steering stops. My 2000 rubbed with 31s, my 2005 didn't with the same tires and rims.
If you do desire a little higher of a ride(even if it's just for looks) there are cheap options that can get you a little bit of lift. Coil spacers 1" - 2" cost about 50 bucks. And the most you would probably need is bar pin eliminators for your front and rear shocks(to extend them a bit). It'd maintain the same highway manners.

If you like your 30s with your stock suspension, more power to you. True Jeepers love em' all from stock to decked out.
I have to admit, I have a real soft spot for those stock jeeps I see with a ratty clouded soft top, half doors, and the stock 28" tires on those tiny SE wheels with the rectangle holes in them.

Truthfully, if you want to keep your jeep stock but also amp up it's offroad capabilites, you could install either selectable lockers and/or a Detroit trutrac in your front and/or rear. It would be pricey, but I guarantee that jeep would claw you through a lot of things that a lot of jacked up jeeps on 33s would struggle with.

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Well, stock jeeps don't really do it *all*. You ever try crossing a 4' ditch or crawl through a rock valley with one? Hard to almost impossible in some cases.

Jeeps were crawling up the Rubicon long before the CJ5. And they won WW2. Try and find a new Jeep which will run completely submerged.

New Jeeps are cool but they do nothing old Jeeps have not already done.
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New Jeeps are cool but they do nothing old Jeeps have not already done.
In all honesty, if you couldn't get over an obstacle with the old MBs, with enough guys you could literally pick up and carry the Jeep over the rock
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Well, stock jeeps don't really do it *all*. You ever try crossing a 4' ditch or crawl through a rock valley with one? Hard to almost impossible in some cases.

Jeeps were crawling up the Rubicon long before the CJ5. And they won WW2. Try and find a new Jeep which will run completely submerged.

New Jeeps are cool but they do nothing old Jeeps have not already done.
Oh of course, jeeps of today aren't half of what the old Willys and even CJ5s were. I was more so talking about a stock TJ since it's TJ tech anyways.
Jeeps used to be produced to be offroad workhorses. Hell, some of the old CJs came stock with winches.
Now they're quickly becoming street queens. You need to order a multi-thousand dollar package along with your JK nowadays to even make it compete with old stockers.
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Just my .02 but I cannot stand a stock jeep.... I think they look silly. That is just me. Just an opinion take it easy!!!!! I like a 3-5" lift and 33's+. I know what I want and I'm building mine exactly as I want. I've learned that if you don't buy what you want up front you will buy it later after buying crap you settled on. It is expensive but I love doing the work on my own and seeing the progress and feeling it on the trail. I can't believe how much more capable my jeep has become over the last 6 months.

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