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Old 03-21-2016, 08:52 AM
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When to track-bar relocate?

I installed a 1.75" spacer lift on my LJ yesterday. The front went really well, but the rear had some fitment issues with the track bar. We got things back together, but I have to say, that track bar concerns me.

So I started doing some research today, and I'm not finding much information on how much lift would warrant a track bar relocation bracket?

I feel like I'm probably ok for now, but I'm going to be taking things apart (partially anyway) in a few weeks when I replace my shocks. So I thought I'd get some relocation brackets in there at the same time if theyre needed.

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Old 03-21-2016, 09:31 AM   #2
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Fitment issues with the rear track bar on an LJ at 1.75" of "lift" would cause concern for me too. I have an LJ currently on 2.5" springs that the PO put on it and I had zero issues with the stock track bar that was on it (other than the worn bushings) and I have zero issues with the Metalcloak bar I have on it now.

What is the fitment issue exactly? Is it the stock track bar?

Also, when you put on new shocks you are going to need to cycle your entire suspension and add bumpstop extensions to make sure you don't have issues with coil bind (going to with a spacer lift), shocks bottoming out, or clearance issues with parts.

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the OME rear track bar bracket should work for you, its designed for a 2" lift and is only $20
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The fitment issue. The driver's side rear spring was pretty difficult to get out, and then even harder to get in after the spacer. Even with spring compressors. We had to disconnect the sway bar to get enough travel to get the spring back in. Then reconnecting it was fun. It was an inch or so away from lining up to get the bolt back in. We had to play around with lifting the axle this way and that to get the bolt l lined up. Once things were back in place if seems OK.

There front was no problem at all. Not nearly as difficult.

The suspension was completely stock when I started. So the track bars are stock.

I did fab up some extensions for the rear bump stops. Mainly because it looked like I had no choice. I wasn't aware of the coil bind issue. I'll get some extensions for the front when I do the shocks.
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did you jack up the opposite side of the axle to cause the side your working on to droop?
that should help enough where spring compressors arent needed.

ratchet straps help when trying to reattach things like track bars and sway bars
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did you jack up the opposite side of the axle to cause the side your working on to droop?
that should help enough where spring compressors arent needed.

ratchet straps help when trying to reattach things like track bars and sway bars
Yea, we tried that, however, we had the spring on the passenger side in already. Maybe we should have tried to do the drivers side first, then we would have had all the room in the world to move the axle up and down.

We used ratchet straps, and a floor jack to get the job done. Moving the axle up and down moved the track bar enough.

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At least you have the experience now so that when you install shocks with a different collapsed length you can cycle your suspension without the springs to see how much extension you need on your bumpstops, should you be so inclined.
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At least you have the experience now so that when you install shocks with a different collapsed length you can cycle your suspension without the springs to see how much extension you need on your bumpstops, should you be so inclined.
Yea, I already have bigger plans for this jeep. so more suspension work will be coming. I expect to get a few years out of the spacers though. So i'm just going to get shocks that are suggested for a TJ with 2" of lift for now.

Next step is going to be a long arm kit, also high clearance fenders, maybe not in that order. But the cost there means it's a few years away. When I do that, all of the work I'm doing on suspension now will be tossed.

I want to keep it low-ish, but get up to 35's or 37's.

Thanks for the track bar input. Sounds like I'm ok for now, but if i go any taller before I get a new kit, i'll need to address it.
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At least youll have a couple years to talk yourself out of long arms on a lcog build or long arms in general.

I made a final build plan, did some research, changed half of the plan, did some more research and changed even more, but I havent wasted too many parts since I knew where I wanted my rig to be.
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At least youll have a couple years to talk yourself out of long arms on a lcog build or long arms in general.

I made a final build plan, did some research, changed half of the plan, did some more research and changed even more, but I havent wasted too many parts since I knew where I wanted my rig to be.
I haven't done a ton of research yet (because I'm nowhere near ready to buy). Why steer away from long arms? It's my understanding that they'll provide better handling, and more travel off road. Is that not the case?
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Travel is dictated by shocks, short arms won't limit it unless you use low quality joints. As for handling, the difference is minimal on the higher quality kits and worse with the lower bolt on stuff.

They do reduce clearance and tend to get hung up on the rocks.

I will be doing a custom mid arm 3 link front and 4 link rear, but that takes a lot of research to get the geometry right so that it is an upgrade
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Travel is dictated by shocks, short arms won't limit it unless you use low quality joints. As for handling, the difference is minimal on the higher quality kits and worse with the lower bolt on stuff.
Well, technically, there is a point where the length of your arms does indeed limit travel. Yes, you'll probably hit your shocks first.

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They do reduce clearance and tend to get hung up on the rocks.

I will be doing a custom mid arm 3 link front and 4 link rear, but that takes a lot of research to get the geometry right so that it is an upgrade
I'd like to clarify. Long arm might have been the wrong term to use, but i was replying on my phone, right after I woke up.

What I want, is a decent triangulated 4-link in the rear. The length of the arms is going to depend on the design of the 4-link. The front is up for debate. But it'll get some attention too.

I've had my eye on the TeraFlex enduroLCG kit. Which may or may not be the way I eventually go, but it's a good example of what I was thinking when I replied.
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Ha! just ran across this.

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if your shocks arent your limiting factor, they arent the right shocks. if you're running quality joints(johnny joints or duroflex joints), they will get you ~35deg of rotation in either direction, with one at each end making it 70deg in either direction or 140deg total.

you're on the right path with more of a mid arm set up, but id wait and watch out for a savvy mid arm kit. they make things on a much higher performance level than others and i'm sure this new kit will not disappoint
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if your shocks arent your limiting factor, they arent the right shocks. if you're running quality joints(johnny joints or duroflex joints), they will get you ~35deg of rotation in either direction, with one at each end making it 70deg in either direction or 140deg total.

you're on the right path with more of a mid arm set up, but id wait and watch out for a savvy mid arm kit. they make things on a much higher performance level than others and i'm sure this new kit will not disappoint
You'll never come close to using all of that misalignment... I have MC and and love them, but as others have pointed out on other forums, marketing can be overstated. Technically, yes there is that much misalignment, but no you will never need it all.

Blaine is finishing tweaking the savvy mid arm project right now which will be triangulated. There's a thread over on JF right now...
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Well, again, it's not like I'm buying tomorrow. Well see what has hit the market by the time in ready.

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