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Old 06-12-2019, 11:46 AM
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2.5L oil filter choice

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So my '89 2.5L has I don't know how many miles on it (at least 23,000) and I am about to do MY first oil change since purchasing it but I am so overwhelmed by the many oil filter choices and I've watched so many comparison videos that my head is still spinning! There is a Valvoline VO-35 on there now. Any thoughts on which I might go with? Mopar?, Wix?, some other choice? Thanks for any thoughts. It would be nice to have a solid direction at this point (if there is one!).

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I would recommend a Wix filter.

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Wix, they have an anti siphon valve

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Wix, they have an anti siphon valve

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Most all name brand oil filters for this application will have an anti drainback valve. Some work better than others.
Wix is good, as is Purolator Pure One and many others.

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I use the Motorcraft FL-1A on my 95 2.5. Gives me an extra .5 quart capacity.


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I've used Fram for 30 years and not a single problem....
Have started buying other brands lately but not really set on one single brand
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I've used Fram for 30 years and not a single problem....
Have started buying other brands lately but not really set on one single brand
Likewise on the Fram. Although, lately having seen videos of the cheaper construction of their lower end filters, I have become concerned and am looking for safer alternatives. Interestingly, their Ultra synthetic top of their line filters are one of the best built out there. Unfortunately, not available for the 2.5L.
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I used to use Fram too. Hey I'm a Chevy guy and they're orange. That was enough reason for me 37 years ago.
We also didn't have the internet. We had a Fram commercial on TV.
"Pay a little now or a lot later."

Times have changed. So has oil, filters, engines AND our resources to compare brands.

It would also be hard to determine how well your filter is performing without strick oil analysis.

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For as long as I can remember, I've used NAPA gold filters. From what I understand, the NAPA gold filters are made by Wix.
I don't put enough miles on my vehicles to hit the 5000 mile limit, so I do an oil/filter and general service in the fall and again in the spring.
I get emails from NAPA and a few other parts suppliers. I buy the oil when it's on sale and keep it on the shelf until I do the bi-yearly service.

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Interestingly, their Ultra synthetic top of their line filters are one of the best built out there. Unfortunately, not available for the 2.5L.
At least on the late YJ’s & Cherokee’s the 2.5 & the 4.0 share the same filter.
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Does anyone have any experience with the Purolator Pure One? Purolator claims to be the inventor of the oil filter. How about that. Also, does anyone know if the Wix or Napa Gold has a larger filter vs the 51626 or 1626, respectively, as an option (larger filter capacity-same screw threads).
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They have an FL-1A match, but I don’t recall the number. A Crossover chart would help.


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Probably more accurate to say "we own the rights to the name of the first automotive oil filter" lol
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Just an aside, I find it interesting that often times while watching the Meecham auto auctions, I often see Ferraris shown coming to the block with what appears to be the low-end Fram orange filter on their engines. And all I see is that filter getting bashed online and should be avoided for filtration use. Just saw a '73 Daytona Spider coming up with the dual fram oil filter setup. And the auto is valued at three quarters of a million. Any comments on that?
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Honestly it's not that big of a deal... just grab a filter in whatever color you prefer....

Even the worst of them filters oil just like it is supposed to...

MUCH more important than oil or filter brand is just keeping up on oil changes and other maintenance
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Honestly it's not that big of a deal... just grab a filter in whatever color you prefer....

Even the worst of them filters oil just like it is supposed to...

MUCH more important than oil or filter brand is just keeping up on oil changes and other maintenance
What Gottagofast says is true.

My take is that cheap things are made cheaply and are more likely to fail than things that cost more.
That said, just because something costs more doesn't mean that it's a better quality item. That's why we ask questions to more knowledgeable people. Then we can decide what will work best for our particular situation.
I'd rather spend a buck or two more and stay away from the bottom tier of anything I buy.
As far as motor oil and filters, if I had severe budget constraints, I'd rather use the cheap stuff more often than the better stuff less often.

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I disagree about cheap filters being good.
Most people will never know whether their filter is good or bad because they'll sell the vehicle or something else will happen rendering it not cost effective to repair.
I'm in industrial maintenance and have seen way too many oil analysis reports from the same piece of equipment with the same oil but different filters. I just had to purchase a $120 spin on oil filter.
If filters of that nature can vary in performance please believe that your $3 filter will too. Spend the $10 and skip the fast food for a day. Win win.

Another thing I've NEVER understood.
Getting cheap on oil, filters, tires or brakes.
Back to oil and filters.
Peolple spend $50k on a vehicle then go to a quick Lube and ask for the $19.95 special. Really??
Harley guys are real bad. I've built many performance Harley engine's and I'll do an initial break in and first oil change. Then they'll ask what's the cheapest oil they can run. Seriously??? You've got a $30k bike, we just did $5k in performance work and you bitch about a $50 oil change... OK

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My 94 sahara came to me in 2007 with 170k miles on it and I have reamed the absolute hell out of it for 12 years and 120k more miles since then w whatever oil was cheapest at the time and fram oil filters.... did a compression test last year and at 290k miles it is still within factory spec....
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From a quality standpoint, I agree with spending a buck or two more for what I know to be the better made or longest lasting product I can get my hands on without being stupid crazy,

From a performance standpoint, how much filtration do you need? Most A/C guys will tell you not to waste your money on 3M's $15-$20 turbo filters that will filter out a fly's fart ( unless you have the need due to allergies, etc.) due to the amount of air that the filter will restrict making my air handler and compressor work longer and harder than it needs to. In the AZ. summer heat. I need to move as much cooled air as quickly as possible through the house so my system doesn't run 24/7. I change my oil whenever it starts turning brown anyway so my running Fram filters since I was a kid isn't keeping me up at night, but I Did order a round of Wix filters for my next oil change just because I appreciated the quality differences I saw in the posted video, but I am going to be watching my pressure gauge to see if it bumps up significantly. I'd rather be moving as much oil around inside the block rather than worry if every last micron of particulates makes it into the filter material.


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Oil pressure won't go up for two reasons...
1 the gauge sender is well after the filter
2 it's a bypass filter system... only as much oil as the filter will allow goes through and the rest goes directly to the engine.....if the filter were to be completely blocked, a spring loaded valve would be letting all of the oil go right around the filter...
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Oil pressure won't go up for two reasons...
1 the gauge sender is well after the filter
2 it's a bypass filter system... only as much oil as the filter will allow goes through and the rest goes directly to the engine.....if the filter were to be completely blocked, a spring loaded valve would be letting all of the oil go right around the filter...
Exactly to my thinking, More oil volume through a "looser" filter that won't restrict volume through the filter.
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High quality oil filters use synthetic nanofiber media that by design allow high flow rates but have "more surface area" ( that's the key) to trap and hold dirt. Said media will also hold up to many times more dirt before significant pressure differential sends it into full bypass mode
Not all oil filters are created equal. For your 3000k mile oil change it might not matter but for an over the road trucker running 25k + mile oil changes it matters.

Big problem with today's synthetic oils and cheap Lube centers. They sell you an oil that can go 10-15k and a filter that's probably in bypass long before.
I'd rather save a few bucks on the oil and spend more on a filter.
Look at the oil requirements for some engines 0w20. Seriously?? That's ALL about fuel economy.
Now think about how tight the tolerances are in order to run a 0 weight oil. OK now think about a dirt partical that can't pass through that clearance and is now taking a ride up and down the cylinder wall with the piston. High quality filter is a must for those tolerances.

So, for a Jeep with 290K miles set up to run 10w40 is it crucial? No, a jelly bean would pass through.

As for air handlers, the cheap see through blue high flow filter allows dust to pass through that then accumulates on the AC coil, eventually reducing cooling and resulting in a call to your friendly service tech for a coil cleaning.
That is not the same as a condenser cleaning outside.
Coil cleaning will cost ya...
If dust makes it to the coil it also makes it to the duct, and then inside the living quarters.

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Eh I posted something else but it's not necessary.
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Sooooo sonny, as long as we remember that we are specifically talking about 30 yr old jeeps here, maybe we aren't so far apart from common ground....
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Actually we're talking about home air conditioning units, keep up. :-) just kidding.

Yeah you're kinda right.
I just can't put things up on the internet saying that a cheap oil filter is as good as a know quality filter or that oil filter choice doesn't matter. I can't make a statement telling a guy just because his vehicle is 30 years old oil filter and oil choice isn't important.
Once it's online you can't take that stuff back, plus I don't believe it's true.
I got my XJ with 155k and it's got 242k and even though any damage was done before I got it I still only run Purolator Pure One filters.
Not because I believe they're the best, But I believe that they have a quality vs price point that makes it a good choice.

I'm not one that believes run a cheap filter and change it often, or run a good filter longer than recommended, I'm one that believes run a high quality filter and change it before its recommended ( based on drivng conditions)

I think I just know a bit about filtration and that won't let me take a short cut. I'm sure I've posted a boat load of useless information to most people about a stinking filter but hey I speak what I believe, AND this is where we come to learn.
I've bought vehicles to sell and still put a Napa gold, Wix Purolator Pure One, etc on it.
I guess because filters only vary from $3-$15 so it's not a big deal. Hey between my girlfriend and myself we've got 3 Jeeps and 7 motorcycles.
Oil changes get expensive but I've still gotta do it how I believe is best and I can't recommend a product that I wouldn't use.
Like I said, I ran basic Fram filters for many many years going back to 1981. Once I learned better I chose better.
I have spent a lot of money on K&N air filters over the years too. I guess I drank the Kool-Aid but I was really bummed when I found out they aren't actually a great filter, they just flow a lot of air.

I've know people with Exxon / Mobil and have discussed the multiple stage filters that are used before oil goes in a bottle. To them, filters matter.
If you could choose oil A that was run through a cheap paper filter before entering the bottle or oil B that's had high quality multi stage fine filtration for only a few bucks more per oil change which would it be? Oil B for me.

It's great we have choices.
FWIW @Gottagofast I do believe you know more about the Jeep YJ than I do and I do agree with many things you say, I even learn a thing or two now and then :-)



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