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Old 04-15-2019, 05:04 PM
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350 swap on my 94 YJ

Hey there...
Looking for some input...
I have a question...
I am getting ready to do my swap from my gutless 2.5L to a 350..
Now I am rebuilding the 350 prior to installing it. So a nice fresh start..
I am trying to decide which Cam to put in..
So some suggestions...
here is the specs of the build and the Jeep,
1. 94 YJ
2. 33” tires to go on (currently 31”)
3. 2” suspension lift
4. 350
5. Holly carb
6. 350TL transmission

Use of this YJ..
Daily driver (when in town)
Occasionally Mudding and playing (I have another YJ with a blown 350 and 38” and 4” suspension lift for playing in the Mud... lol

I will be doing the rebuild later this week early next week..

Thanks again for your input

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Welcome to the Forum Oystershooter05,

There's a bajillion threads about SBC into YJs. The forum search engine leaves a bit to be desired, but, If you enter "350" in the search box you should get plenty of hits.
There's always UTUBE too.

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I wouldent swap in any engine without fuel injection. And as much as i dislike Chevy i would probbaly go with a LS swap for simplicity but thats just my opinion.
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Sounds similar to my conversion: 92, 400 SBC, Holley carb, NV3550 transmission, Ford 8.8 rear axle, 2" lift, etc.

My SBC has a Comp Cams 12-246-3; Grind XE274H-10 which is pretty good although it is flat tappet and I understand roller follower is a much friendlier option. My engine is also built with higher compression ratio, etc. so requires premium gasoline.
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I went with this summit racing camshaft and lifter set https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-k1101. I chose it because it has a great torque band in the low RPMs that is good for off-roading and normal drive ability (It makes my jeep go as fast as it is safe to go). I didn't want a camshaft that didn't make power until 1500 RPMs myself or 1800 RPMs as WICruiser apparently wanted haha.
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I wouldent swap in any engine without fuel injection. And as much as i dislike Chevy i would probbaly go with a LS swap for simplicity but thats just my opinion.
100% agreed, especially on a rig you intend to wheel...

Going from reliable MPFI to a carb is like going from disc to drum brakes...
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100% agreed, especially on a rig you intend to wheel...

Going from reliable MPFI to a carb is like going from disc to drum brakes...
Disagree.... it's WAY worse!
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I appreciate the information for the Cam, I will be picking that up.
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Disagree.... it's WAY worse!
I agree a carbed engine is less expensive and easy to maintain, no electronics for water to mess up.
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I'm running Comp Cams X4270HR in mine, with their full roller rocker assembly.
Also running Vortec heads, Holley EFI, a lil bit of compression, forged internals, and a hot ignition.
Th published "power range" for this cam is 1500-5500rpm.
It's got a lumpy idle and makes lots of power.
In real world use as a DD/weekend warrior I like it but it is a bit "hot rod".
Off road it's got plenty torque from idle to 1800rpm.
On road it's a beast.
I'm running 5.13's and 37" rubber and when it's raining out I have to be mindful to avoid wheelspin in 2nd gear.
I love the sound it makes. My current exhaust is a little too loud but I smile every time I start the motor and it sets into that bumpy idle. And I'll take all the quick smiles I can get.

I didn't choose this cam, it was in the motor when I got it. If I had chosen one I'd probably have picked the comp cams X4258HR based on the lower rev range and the old knowledge that you want all low end power for off road. But I've been more than happy with this setup, especially off road, which is the main reason I built this jeep.

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I agree a carbed engine is less expensive and easy to maintain, no electronics for water to mess up.



your joking, right?




Carbs have always pissed me off on everything i have ever owned with one they are nothing but problems. I have had a few problems out of EFI but $30 sensor later and you are good to go for another 100-200K and they will run upside down. I would never swap a carburated engine into anything besides a junkyard for scrap value.
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your joking, right?




Carbs have always pissed me off on everything i have ever owned with one they are nothing but problems. I have had a few problems out of EFI but $30 sensor later and you are good to go for another 100-200K and they will run upside down. I would never swap a carburated engine into anything besides a junkyard for scrap value.
No joke carb makes more HP than fuel injection. Love me Holleys. Ill post up some race boat vids stock class engines holley 2bbl and holley 4 bbl you just have to understand how they work. im running holley 500 2bbl on kids 4.2 in his jeep. running Holley 750 double pumper on my 350 in the jeep.
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307 super stock chevy hydraulic flat tappet 7400 rpm. holley 750
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305 chevy stock class 2bb 500 holley. 6700 rpm
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my Chevelle 350 chevy 750 double pumper.
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No joke carb makes more HP than fuel injection.
In what universe? Even a garbage fuel injection system like TBI will prove a 10hp increase over a carburetor any day. Carburetors are terrible at metering fuel efficiently to all cylinders, wear out motors faster because rich start ups and lean highway cruising and you don't have a computer monitoring control over timing. I've noticed more dead spots while accelerating with carburetors than any other TBI, MPFI, or CPI system.....
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In what universe? Even a garbage fuel injection system like TBI will prove a 10hp increase over a carburetor any day. Carburetors are terrible at metering fuel efficiently to all cylinders, wear out motors faster because rich start ups and lean highway cruising and you don't have a computer monitoring control over timing. I've noticed more dead spots while accelerating with carburetors than any other TBI, MPFI, or CPI system.....
If you do not know how to tune a carb yes fuel injection will make more HP.
Well known Fact that carbed engine will make more HP than fuel injection. Ill google it for you.
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https://ls1tech.com/articles/fuel-de...vs-mpfi-vs-di/

However, this is an old school technology that hasn’t been used on a modern car since the 1980s. Why do so many engine builders still use it? Well, other than it’s what they know, a carburetor can make some big power and it’s because of how it’s sending your fuel to your cylinder. When you inject fuel into the intake manifold, it cools the intake runners and makes denser air. Denser, cooler air makes more power and that’s a positive.

fuel injection bypasses the intake, less atomization and hotter intake charge. therefore fuel injection will not make same hp as carb on the same engine.

This is the reason so many co's make cold air intakes for fuel injection to try and cool down the intake charge but the atomization is still lost.
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I am not a power fanatic but i have seen videos fighting over what makes more power carb or FI. And i think it's as stupid as ford/chevy wars i really dont care. I want reliability and in my experience fuel injection is 100x more reliable than a carb. I could count the number of sensors i have ever replaced on all of my fuel injected vehicles one one hand. I don't have enough hands to count the amount of times carbs have given me trouble.


here's one video i seen that talks a little about the carb/FI wars starts at about 7:30. Even if this guy is full of crap i would gladly take a decrease in power to run fuel injection.



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https://ls1tech.com/articles/fuel-de...vs-mpfi-vs-di/

However, this is an old school technology that hasnít been used on a modern car since the 1980s. Why do so many engine builders still use it? Well, other than itís what they know, a carburetor can make some big power and itís because of how itís sending your fuel to your cylinder. When you inject fuel into the intake manifold, it cools the intake runners and makes denser air. Denser, cooler air makes more power and thatís a positive.

fuel injection bypasses the intake, less atomization and hotter intake charge. therefore fuel injection will not make same hp as carb on the same engine.

This is the reason so many co's make cold air intakes for fuel injection to try and cool down the intake charge but the atomization is still lost.
From that page:"If that is true, how come more performance cars donít have them? Well, a carburetor makes efficient power within a certain RPM window depending on where you tune if for, atmospheric conditions, and even as fuel sloshes around in your float chamber (though that isnít so much an issue anymore). "

So overall, fuel injection will make more horsepower over a larger range. Kind of why I said carburetors are known for dead spots. The pressure of fuel injectors also creates excellent atomization of fuel. The runners are more streamlined in fuel injection so the cooling effect of fuel in the manifold is a small point that would only matter at WOT, but many performance people run an intercooler in the intake to greatly outpace that carburetor benefit.....

Here's a test of the same motor running EFI and carburetor on back to back tests. LS1 Carburetor V.S. Computer Performance Test - Super Chevy Magazine
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I want reliability and in my experience fuel injection is 100x more reliable than a carb. I could count the number of sensors i have ever replaced on all of my fuel injected vehicles on one hand. I don't have enough hands to count the amount of times carbs have given me trouble.
Same.... I've had accelerator pumps fail and leak, clogged jets, stuck floats, clogged venturi tubes, backfires catching the carb on fire because rich starts, and way too many more to name......
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you have to run an intercooler to try and out pace carb, way too many parts to try and make the same hp a carb can make, thousands of dollars to do what 500 carb can do. then all the break downs from all the sensors, hoses and coolers. not to mention the extra weight with all the extra crap you need to compete with a simple carb. you can sugar coat it all you want but carb has it beat.
You need a pickup bed full of parts to do what a carb does.
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I really do respect all the knowledge that I get from you guys have all the experience with different setups you've had over the years, Helps me a lot with all the choices I make when working on mine.

All I can add to this thread is that I have to run down to Autozone to rent a Fuel pressure gauge set to take to my son's house for Easter dinner tomorrow, Because his Dodge Ram 1500 HEMI isn't getting fuel, But I will be doing it in my Carbureted 4.2...Ö.

Rock on, enjoying the Debate.
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you have to run an intercooler to try and out pace carb, way too many parts to try and make the same hp a carb can make, thousands of dollars to do what 500 carb can do. then all the break downs from all the sensors, hoses and coolers. not to mention the extra weight with all the extra crap you need to compete with a simple carb. you can sugar coat it all you want but carb has it beat.
You need a pickup bed full of parts to do what a carb does.
For any vehicle that I drive often, I want EFI. For a vehicle I don't drive much, a carburetor would be fine. For any offroad, I prefer efi. Even the motorcrafts 2100/4100's and rochester quadrajets set up for offroad cannot compete with EFI for offroad reliability. BTW, throttle body injection still has a wet intake like a carburetor and very few sensors to make it run.

I also had a holley street avenger on my performance built 383 stroker in my old 69 firebird that ran great. After swapping over to holley stealth ram multiport and tuning it, I picked up 65hp and 40lb/ft torque at the wheel on a dino
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Now that mowing season is here i hope my Cub Cadet still runs i will probbaly have to take the carb off it and clean it again. I really need to upgrade to a fuel injected mower so i dont have to fight with this relic of the past every weekend lol.
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^I will agree that I love the EFI on my Yamaha V-star, Honda Accord and Truck., but they are not 30 yrs Old. Time and a place for everything I guess.
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I have owned and maintained many 4.0 jeeps. And other than a chronic O2 sensor problem i had that turned out to be a cracked exhaust manifold i have never replaced a O2 sensor on a jeep. I have replaced 1 Crank Position sensor on my black YJ when it had around 200k on it. I replaced the throttle position sensor on my YJ a few years ago when it had a high idle problem (fixed it).

I have never replaced a sensor on any Toyota i have ever had but i dont have as much wrench time on them. I have a third gen 4runner with 270k on it and all of the maintenance records since it was new. It has been through 4 timing belts, a rear axle countless oil changes but no record of any sensors being replaced.

Usually when you hear of people with jeeps having sensors failing they are Chinese cheaply made aftermarket sensors they bought from autozone. If you buy good sensors there is no reason they shouldn't last 100-200 or even 300k. Try that with a carburetor.
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Folks this is unreasonable.... this thread is about Oystersgooter05's project and a dozen posts arguing back and forth about carbs vs efi on everything from dragsters to race boats is beyond hijacking
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Folks this is unreasonable.... this thread is about Oystersgooter05's project and a dozen posts arguing back and forth about carbs vs efi on everything from dragsters to race boats is beyond hijacking
See, he got his answer already so thread and an argument of
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I don't think it's high-jacking if we have two different Jeepers with opposing views on Carbed-350's verses MPFI-350's.

We're talking about dropping some major coin on doing an engine swap so it's wise to look at the advantages and disadvantages of both setups, since the O.P. specified he was looking into a Holly-Carb it was ok to mention about the benefits of Fuel-Injection, it might be a different angle that the O.P. wasn't considering.

Carry on please, interesting stuff.

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