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Old 11-07-2019, 06:00 PM
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Can you help the new guy? (engine photo)

ust bought a 1992 YJ 4.0 at a very good price. Even though I always wanted a Jeep, I am new to this. The car looks in good shape and runs ok - I think. I will restore it in the summer. In the meantime can you guys please have a look at the engine bay photo and tell me what is missing, is out of place or needs immediate action? Thanks in advance!

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It's hard to tell from the picture since its just a top view. But usually the first things to look at and change if you dont know the maintenance history is to check/change all the fluids. Antifreeze, engine oil, differential lubrication, transmission and transfer case. Your fuel filter looks corroded - could mean its not been changed in a long time. The cap for your antifreeze tank is missing and the warm air riser from the exhaust manifold to the filter housing might be missing - cant tell from picture. Also missing is the cold air intake hose - helps during the hotter months. Check brake fluid and clutch reservoir for clear fluid - if dark or worse - brown, needs to be purged and bled with fresh fluid. Some basic maintenance things you can handle easily. Good luck.
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What’s missing is the 4.0. That appears to be a 258 C.I. carbureted six cylinder from a pre-‘91 YJ. The following pictures are of a typical ‘91-‘95 YJ 4.0 engine bay.
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That does not look like a 1992 4.0. Definitely a 4.2L with a carb.

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ust bought a 1992 YJ 4.0 at a very good price. Even though I always wanted a Jeep, I am new to this. The car looks in good shape and runs ok - I think. I will restore it in the summer. In the meantime can you guys please have a look at the engine bay photo and tell me what is missing, is out of place or needs immediate action? Thanks in advance!

Definitely not a 1992 it is a 1987-1990 not even the battery tray is right for a 1992.
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Looks like an earlier yj. Not a 92. As mentioned before. Check to make sure the vin plates match the title. I can see one above the battery tray. Check the dash plate and if the doors are original that vin also.
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If you got a title for the 92 you can run that vin to figure out what engine it originally would of had according to the title. But I agree with the other comments that looks like the 4.2L. Easy way to check if the vins been fudged with is the dash plate should have rosette rivits in it.
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What’s missing is the 4.0. That appears to be a 258 C.I. carbureted six cylinder from a pre-‘91 YJ. The following pictures are of a typical ‘91-‘95 YJ 4.0 engine bay.
I'd have posted a pic of my 89 when it used to look like OP's, but I couldn't get rid of all that spaghetti and wiring fast enough I forgot to take pictures. But it used to look exactly like that, only maybe a little less dusty.
Looks like a power washer, change of fluids, belts and hoses would be a good start.
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Welcome to the Forum manosr,

At the moment, my biggest concern is a 4.2 engine in what is supposed to be a 1992 vehicle that came from the factory with a 4.0 engine.
The first thing I'd do is compare the VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) on the title to the VIN on the vehicle.
There should be 3 easily accessible VINs on the Jeep. The main one on the dash that's visible through the windshield on the drivers side.
Then, there are 2 more on metal tags on each side of the firewall, under the hood. They each should have the VIN and other numbers stamped on them. Your pic shows one by the battery. Normally these are painted the same color as the vehicle. Sometimes people clean them off to make out the numbers more easily.
There might be a fourth on a plastic covered paper tag on the drivers door shell or the drivers side "A" pillar. The paper tags deteriorate and are often difficult to make out. If the doors have been switched in the past I don't see the VIN on the doors not matching as a problem if all the rest match.
The VIN on the title and all the VINs on the vehicle should match. If any are missing, or don't match you should try to find out why. It could be a big issue.

If all the VINs match, you can guess one of two things happened:
1- A PO (prior owner) changed the motor, OR,
2- A prior owner changed VINs from a 1992 Jeep to an earlier model.
If #1 is the case, you pretty much own a 1992 YJ with an earlier motor.
If #2 is the case you may have a bunch of #2.

My hope for you is that you mistakenly told us that you have a 1992 YJ when in fact you actually have a 1990 or earlier vehicle.
Having AC is a plus.

Post a pic of the dash, but don't post the VIN. The tenth digit of the VIN indicates the year the Jeep was manufactured. "H" = 1987, so I assume "I" = 1988 and so forth. My catalog is for 1987 so it doesn't address newer vehicles.
Other posters can tell you how to check your VIN digit by digit.

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Find a post by Got it at last. #9 post in this thread. In his signature there's a free link to several Factory Service manuals and a couple Factory Parts Manuals.
Open that link and click on the manual that you need. In your case I'd start with the 1990 model.
In the index on the left side of the page, look for general body information. There you'll find how to decipher your VIN.

I hope it's all a mistake about the year and you have a early YJ with a good VIN. I really like my carbureted 4.2.

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Another easy one if it's there is a tag sandwiched between the front body mount and frame. Below radiator. If it's there.

Just in case. The hard to get vins are.

-The rear crossmember above pumpkin. That only may be a partial vin though.

- I have been told about a mythical vin stashed under the dash somewhere. Stamped on somewhere. Requires extensive dissassbly to access. If it's TRUE.
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Wow!

Thank you guys for all your messages (and for breaking my heart)
There is a VIN and I decoded it, and guess what...the car is from 1992. So at some point the engine was changed.
So, either I get some money back (since this info was not disclosed) or I have legal battle ahead.
To be honest I'd prefer to get some money since I like it and want to restore it.

Again, I appreciate all your messages...
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So if that's a 4.2 installed into a 92. Then who ever did the install swapped over everything. As mentioned that's the pre-91 battery tray. Next to the battery tray is the diagnostic ports along with the relays from a pre-91. And on the back of the firewall are some vacuum switches that are only pre-91.

If it were me installing an older engine into a newer Jeep there's no way all the vacuum stuff would get installed. It would just me too much of a pain and then installing the computer as well. Seems unlikely that anyone would do that.

When you looked at the VIN on the dashboard. Did the rivets look new? The stock rivets usually have a star pattern instead of being round. Of course swapping the whole dash isn't hard. Does the dash color match the rest of the interior trim?

Not a guarantee, but do you have the family or sports style roll bar? The sport bar is 1990 or earlier if I remember correctly. Although this can be swapped between years. But could be another item pointing you towards something being wrong. I can't remember what else changed between those years though.

I would definitely be a little concerned that the title may not be right. Even more so if the deal was too good to be true.

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In the pic OP posted, everything appears to be proper for 1987-1990. That's why I asked for a pic of the dash.. A pic of the roll bar will help too.

89JeeperYJ is thinking the same thing as I do. Switching all that stuff during an engine swap is unlikely. If that was a 1992 with a bad motor and all I had was a good used 4.2 motor, I'd use the 4.2 short block and keep the head and all the rest from the 4.0.

manosr, do the firewall tags match the dash VIN? Did you buy the Jeep from a dealer or a private seller? I'd go back to the seller and demand all my money back or threaten to go to the cops. If you have an early YJ with a 1992 VIN, I'd hold off actually going to the cops until all this gets sorted out. If the Jeep turns out to be a stolen 1987-1990 vehicle with a switched VIN from a 1992, the cops will confiscate the Jeep and return it to whomever it was stolen from. If you have the proper paperwork you shouldn't be in any trouble, but you will have lost what you paid for the Jeep.

Keep us posted on how all this works out. We care and want to help if we can.

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Bubba probably swapped a 1992 VIN onto a older jeep.
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In the pic OP posted, everything appears to be proper for 1987-1990. That's why I asked for a pic of the dash.. A pic of the roll bar will help too.

89JeeperYJ is thinking the same thing as I do. Switching all that stuff during an engine swap is unlikely. If that was a 1992 with a bad motor and all I had was a good used 4.2 motor, I'd use the 4.2 short block and keep the head and all the rest from the 4.0.

manosr, do the firewall tags match the dash VIN? Did you buy the Jeep from a dealer or a private seller? I'd go back to the seller and demand all my money back or threaten to go to the cops. If you have an early YJ with a 1992 VIN, I'd hold off actually going to the cops until all this gets sorted out. If the Jeep turns out to be a stolen 1987-1990 vehicle with a switched VIN from a 1992, the cops will confiscate the Jeep and return it to whomever it was stolen from. If you have the proper paperwork you shouldn't be in any trouble, but you will have lost what you paid for the Jeep.

Keep us posted on how all this works out. We care and want to help if we can.

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Ok, this took a turn from sad to scary...
I bought it from a dealer, and paperwork seems ok. I am afraid going to cops will result in me loosing my money. I am leaning toward another idea of how this came to be: this dealer is a Jeep fan, building extreme ones for himself. So I think he buys several, takes what he needs and mixes and matches the rest for resale.
You pointed me to right direction though, and I checked the firewall tags and of course did not match. The result from the online VIN decoder only made things worse: a 4.7L/1988 - what is a 4.7? I have never heard of it...
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Yep those rivits are not correct. If its dealeryou have a way higher chance of getting your money back or get the missing tags off him. I think it's a more serious crime if a dealers altering vins. Strange how he went through the trouble of just replacing the one. Normally they would all be replaced if they vin altering.
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I'd be back at the dealer asking what's up. Before finding out later it was stolen or something of the like.
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Yep those rivits are not correct. If its dealeryou have a way higher chance of getting your money back or get the missing tags off him. I think it's a more serious crime if a dealers altering vins. Strange how he went through the trouble of just replacing the one. Normally they would all be replaced if they vin altering.
So, not only he is a crook - but a stupid one?
Its a tough decision, because its a nice project for restoration, but I don't want to get in trouble or being a fool in this deal. The only thing that keeps me safe is that I have only paid the deposit and not the full amount...
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Yep that VIN has definitely been tampered with. As was already said, it being a dealer is a good thing though. Gives way more options for you to pursue. Though I don't think it's just a matter of getting the right tags. Sense who ever the dealer is sold it as a completely different vehicle. And if he's a Jeep fan, then he probably knew it wasn't a 1992. Even if he has mixed and matched parts like say the dashboard, someone went through the trouble of messing with that VIN tag. And any dealer sould be able to tell if the VIN has been altered.

If I had to guess, the original title was a Savage, and instead of selling you a rebuilt title. He took a VIN from a Jeep he parted out that had a clear title. Just didn't think it through enough.

As far as the 4.7, that's probably just an error in the VIN decoding site. It's a 4.2. the 4.7 is a stroked out 4.0 which wasn't an option from the factory.

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Yea I would bug the dealer more and ask what's up. He may refund your money and take it back on the spot. If hes done this before multiple times he may panic as I'm sure he doesnt want the police snooping around any other vechile transactions that hes vin altered.

Yet the the dealer also told you it's a 4.0L. I wouldn't know if I would trust him. Any die hard jeep guy would of known that's 4.2. He may of run the vin himself and seen it came with 4.0 so that's what he told you.
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Just throwing this out there see how close the set up bar is to the trim. It makes no sense. As I dont think you can get your foot on it as the plastics covering it. Earlier and base model yj didnt have trim there. I wonder what year the frame is?
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As a added not to above it looks factory height and you really only see those on lifted rigs.
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Yea I would bug the dealer more and ask what's up. He may refund your money and take it back on the spot. If hes done this before multiple times he may panic as I'm sure he doesnt want the police snooping around any other vechile transactions that hes vin altered.

Yet the the dealer also told you it's a 4.0L. I wouldn't know if I would trust him. Any die hard jeep guy would of known that's 4.2. He may of run the vin himself and seen it came with 4.0 so that's what he told you.
And the funny thing is I specifically asked him if its 4.2L or a 4.0L (not that I could tell them apart just by looking at them).
And, by the way, I don't trust any dealer. But I expected some hidden damages maybe, not all this...
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Just throwing this out there see how close the set up bar is to the trim. It makes no sense. As I dont think you can get your foot on it as the plastics covering it. Earlier and base model yj didnt have trim there. I wonder what year the frame is?
My 89 Islander has that trim. And the second VIN he found was an 88, but didn't mention the trim type. And it's probably not a base model sense it has air conditioning, or that could have been thrown on as well. But those add on step bars were probably just added for looks, or an attempt to act as rock sliders. Probably the former.

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And the funny thing is I specifically asked him if its 4.2L or a 4.0L (not that I could tell them apart just by looking at them).

And, by the way, I don't trust any dealer. But I expected some hidden damages maybe, not all this...
I had a co-worker swear that I had a 4.0 in my Jeep and that they never had a 4.2. But he just didn't know what he was talking about, even though he insanely confident on it.

But in your case, this dealer is just insanely ignorant about what they are doing. Or it was very intentional. I'm leaning more on the later with you saying he's a Jeep fan. Takes away a lot of that ignorance. And even if the vehicle was that way when they got it from someone else. There would be a lot of ignorance in not checking and noticing an altered VIN tag.

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There's plenty of jeeps up for grabs. Last thing you need to deal with is receiving stolen property. Take it back, demand every penny you have invested, and walk away..
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The way I see the best case scenario, is the dealer has the correct 1988 title (Salvage or not) and the correct VIN plate. He "buys" the '92 (on paper, you keep the Jeep hidden somewhere) and "sells" you the '88 with the title, correct VIN plate and refunds 25% of your purchase price. You end up with a properly papered 1988 YJ and some extra cash.
If he offers to switch the VIN tag back for you, I strongly suggest you decline. You can easily switch it back yourself and return the wrong VIN tag once you have the correct tag & title plus some money in your pocket for your trouble.

I suggest you go to the dealer and talk to him. If he can't provide the 1988 title and VIN plate, plus cash, he needs to unwind the deal and refund all of your money.

If he won't refund your money, I think your next best course of action is to spend a hundred bucks or so and talk to a lawyer. It might not be fair to have to spend money for a lawyer, but it beats loosing the Jeep.

You can write or call the state dealer licensing board and tell them what happened but that could result in the Jeep being impounded until you can prove it isn't stolen. Most if not all states have a way to assign a new VIN to a home built or a component built vehicle. It's a PITA to do so but I expect it can be done if you care to spend the money and time.

Let us know how it goes. We want to help.

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