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Old 12-05-2019, 08:07 AM
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Computer and F/I delete?

Hypothetical here. Kim Jong un launches a EMF fireball at us, and it smokes everyone's ECM. Time to find a 4 banger Carb intake and ignition system from the good old days of no computers. Is it possible?. Can an early carb intake fit the head? It can be done on my some vehicles as apparently the ECM only controls the FI and not the ignition. Folks have trashed the FI in favor of a Weber carb with good results.

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You are probably gonna take a hit from the guys for ditching the FI, but L.M. and I are both ready for the EMP strike, Neither of us have had any "no spark no start" issues. I may not beat you in a race, but I always seem to get there...

As for adapting a Carb to the 4.0, someone on here may have done it, But most tend to stick with the FI so I doubt there is an easy swap that won't give you some fits with the electrical or resale.
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8thtimer, I have mulled over the same idea with my 4CYL. For example what if any carb could be put on the existing manifold or could it be adapted to fit. And then, the question of replacing the electronic ignition with what? IDK, seems like a whole lot of trouble??
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The FI is a way better setup in most cases. High altitude, cold starts and off camber trails to name a few. When Harley Davidson went to the Delphi FI, for me, there was no looking back.
My pickup and Mrs. Lucky's SUV are FI and I wouldn't have it any other way. If there's an issue they go to the mechanic.
I have a carb because it's simple. If something goes wrong, I can fix it. With FI, there's a great learning curve that I'm not prepared to endure. I'm an old retired buzzard and have enough resources that all I need to do is pray, putter and play. If I want to learn something, I'll pick up a guitar.

If you're concerned about the Chicoms popping off a high altitude nuke, look into ferriday cages. Most military vehicles have armor against EMP. Perhaps you can adapt the military technology to civilian use. I doubt that it's any kind of a secret. That might even be an untapped market that preppers would be interested in.
I'm guessing it'd be a lot simpler to create some sort of electronic barrier around whatever components in your Jeep that a EMP would damage, than to retrofit a carb for the extremely remote chance of an EMP.
Cheap and easy is to store your sensitive home electronics in a steel 55 gallon drum that has a removable top.

If there's ever an EMP the local electrical grid would be down and having a running vehicle would be a big advantage, but there's other things that would be more important.
Shelter, water, food, hygiene, security and medicine come to mind. The order of importance depends on the circumstances.

If you research and come up with a way to harden our heaps against an EMP, please post your findings. It would be nice to have a running F-150 in my fleet along side my Jeep.
"EMP Protection" might even be a good sticky in the general discussion forum.

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Putting a carb on a 4.0 is fairly easy but you still need an electric fuel pump. The early 2.5's should be just as easy if not easier because the early 2.5 TBI engines had a provision for a mechanical fuel pump that is blocked off with a plate. And even if there was an EMP you would run out of gas quickly so it really wouldent matter to much of you had a carb or not. If you want to mentally masturbate about shit hitting the fan just buy a horse and forget about carb vs efi because both choices suck anyways.

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Many of my neighbors have horses. Those horse folks will be near the top of the food chain if the SHTF.
If the worst happens, I figure I'll have a year or more for gasoline. I'll simply siphon it from the newer vehicles that'll be abandoned where they quit. Ethanol gas deteriorates in a couple months, but in a low compression tractor motor like a 4.2, it'll work for a long time.
By that time, either things will be fixed or life will be so different we can't imagine how it will be.
Mrs. Lucky watches the Living Dead shows. It might be like that (less zombies) or some local thug will have taken over the neighborhood. Or it might be different than that.
Read the book "One Second After" if you're interested in that sort of stuff.

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I think you'd find that horses would be shot and eaten pretty quickly... would be a LOT of hungry people without any wilderness survival skills
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Yeah... unless the SHTF situation was relatively short term problem you are going to die anyways. The only prep you need in a EMP SHTF scenario is a single round of 00 buck. The fudds that think they can survive something like that are living in fantasy land.
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Yeah... unless the SHTF situation was relatively short term problem you are going to die anyways. The only prep you need in a EMP SHTF scenario is a single round of 00 buck. The fudds that think they can survive something like that are living in fantasy land.
Now lookie here...I carry a roll of aluminum foil in each vehicle to ward off EMFwaves to the noggen. They say its good knocking out radar guns if ya wad it up and put it in your hubcaps, also good for alien invasions too. Fire in the sky happened right here in my neck of the woods ya know, gotta be prepared. Back to the FI and computers. If my $20 code reader and me cant figure it out then it goes bye, bye. LuckyMac, outta 5 HD's non are FI, I wont go there,to complicated to mess with. I tried that with a Buell doing fuel trim, far to complicated for my brain. Meat, there's more Elk,Deer,Turkey and Pronghorn here to feed an army, so we got that covered. This here is Redneckastan here gentlemen, freedom loving and living America!!!
Mine is a 4 cyl I forgot to mention. Im sure it could be done pretty easily with a Mill and some patients. I will confess electronics are NOT my strong point so getting that working would be a mystery. Cant see electricity, cant make it work or fix it ya know.
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You need a low pressure fuel pump a carb replacing the throttle body with a manual choke and linked via cable to gas pedal

You also need a distributor with points
(Avoid any hei module as it is also subject to emp ) also without pcm cluster will be dead

Course better and cheaper is get an extra pcm and just to be safe extra sensors and put them in a shielded box

Then after emp just replace pcm and sensors and you are good to go

Cluster may also fail so keep an extra cluster in shielded box and be sure you donít have skim


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Simple solution just tuck your head down between your legs and kiss your arse goodbye as you probably won't want to be around for the after math or just call 911 im sure they will send some one right over.
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5.2/5.9 swap? The LA motors are carbed with mechanical fuel pumps. Old skool and more power, win-win.
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I guess I need to get my 6.2 tj swap done... that sucker will run without even a battery if I bypass the fuel cutoff solenoid....
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I guess I need to get my 6.2 tj swap done... that sucker will run without even a battery if I bypass the fuel cutoff solenoid....
That 6.2 would be a nice one. Don't see much on diesel conversions. Wonder what a 4BT would be like in a YJ. Buddy had a 78FJ40 with the 4cyl diesel, 28 mpg and just chugged along forever. Wouldn't get anywhere fast though. Lucky we have no smog regs here so a 4BT is a doable conversion.
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4bt would be cool except super loud very heavy and LOTS of vibration...

I don't know for certain if I'll be able to squeeze the 6.2 in the way I want yet but I have a roller tj and a 6.2 both sitting in my shop so one day I'll find out.... I require air conditioning, a turbo, cruise control, and would very much prefer to have the stock clutch fan... I have a nv 3550 w np231 from an s-10 and also a 700r4/np242 to choose from
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4bt would be cool except super loud very heavy and LOTS of vibration...

I don't know for certain if I'll be able to squeeze the 6.2 in the way I want yet but I have a roller tj and a 6.2 both sitting in my shop so one day I'll find out.... I require air conditioning, a turbo, cruise control, and would very much prefer to have the stock clutch fan... I have a nv 3550 w np231 from an s-10 and also a 700r4/np242 to choose from
Well get cracking on that would ya,and let me know when your ready to part with it
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I dont know much about EMP effects but it seems that the distributor would be shot. So a diesel conversion might be the way to go.

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Yes, a points and condenser dist. Which one, is there one??? I figure if push came to shove an old carter or FoMoCo could be 'rigged' up.
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8thtimers original question was about a 4 banger.
If he's serious, I suggest looking for an old CJ motor that has a carb and a points distributor. Rebuild it and either install it or keep it handy just in case.
Other posters or personal research can tell him what years will work. I seem to remember terms like "Iron Duke" and Chevrolet 4 bangers, but it's been a long time.

BTW, 8thtimer, the aluminum foil doesn't do any good in your glove box. You have to have at least 3 layers laid up nice and neat in your cap or hat.

I suggested that hardening civilian vehicles might be a good business that preppers might be interested in.
I'v been looking to start a part time business for the extra income. I think I'll start selling foil lined caps and jockstraps. EBAY, here I come.

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Seems like an aluminum "jock strap" might have a real corrosion problem for us older folk but maybe foil lined Depends disposable might work.
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8thtimers original question was about a 4 banger.
If he's serious, I suggest looking for an old CJ motor that has a carb and a points distributor. Rebuild it and either install it or keep it handy just in case.
Other posters or personal research can tell him what years will work. I seem to remember terms like "Iron Duke" and Chevrolet 4 bangers, but it's been a long time.

BTW, 8thtimer, the aluminum foil doesn't do any good in your glove box. You have to have at least 3 layers laid up nice and neat in your cap or hat.

I suggested that hardening civilian vehicles might be a good business that preppers might be interested in.
I'v been looking to start a part time business for the extra income. I think I'll start selling foil lined caps and jockstraps. EBAY, here I come.


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I Dunno L.M., them preppers typically like to stay off the grid, Now that Ebay charges tax and the government is involved you may be better off using Offer UP, That way they can come to your house for pickup, of course you may want to put up a 10' chain link fence with Razor Wire on top so they will trust you.
On second thought, maybe we should find you a little more stable side hustle...LMAO
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8thtimers original question was about a 4 banger.
If he's serious, I suggest looking for an old CJ motor that has a carb and a points distributor. Rebuild it and either install it or keep it handy just in case.
Other posters or personal research can tell him what years will work. I seem to remember terms like "Iron Duke" and Chevrolet 4 bangers, but it's been a long time.

BTW, 8thtimer, the aluminum foil doesn't do any good in your glove box. You have to have at least 3 layers laid up nice and neat in your cap or hat.

I suggested that hardening civilian vehicles might be a good business that preppers might be interested in.
I'v been looking to start a part time business for the extra income. I think I'll start selling foil lined caps and jockstraps. EBAY, here I come.

Good Luck, L.M.



The early AMC 2.5 had a carb thats why the TBI blocks had a block off plate for a mechanical fuel pump. It wasn't until the MPFI 2.5's that they got rid of the mechanical fuel pump provision. The one thing i dont know about is if the TBI 2.5's had a lobe on the camshaft to drive the mechanical fuel pump. It might be as easy as putting carbed AMC 2.5 distributor and intake/carb on the existing TBI block.



But thats a lot of work for a tinfoil hat idea to cruise around in a jeep for an extra week or two if it happened at all. You would be better off with a diesel and growing peanuts and making your own fuel. You would spend all of your free time looking for food and trying to stay alive driving a jeep around would be the farthest thing from my mind. And if you were driving around after an event like that would just make you a target anyways.
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It's usually later at night when the threads turn silly.

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LOL. The OP did say "hypothetical".


Oh, and btw. Did none of you see the movie 'Terminator', the very last scene where Sarah O'Conner drive off into the sunset in a Jeep???


I bet that movie alone sold more Jeeps than any AMC ad campaign at the time.

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