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Jeeper killed on the trail. 1000ft drop

This should server as a reminder to be safe out there on the trails. We lost another jeeper on Saturday in the Pacific NW area. A 1000ft drop is a long ways. Prayers for friends and family involved.


https://patch.com/washington/enumcla...-driver-killed

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I'm sorry for human loss of life, but I have zero sympathy if you get injured or killed when you are in a Jeep with the doors off and NOT wearing a seat belt.
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Instances like this, just the liberals another reason to take our freedoms away. This doesn't just apply to jeeps without doors, but the right to bare arms etc.. In My posts, both cases dwelt with not wear seats belts and possible alcohol use. As for the Op's original post, Nowhere does it say if the drive of the jeep was a seasoned professional or a novice..
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Instances like this, just the liberals another reason to take our freedoms away. This doesn't just apply to jeeps without doors, but the right to bare arms etc.. In My posts, both cases dwelt with not wear seats belts and possible alcohol use. As for the Op's original post, Nowhere does it say if the drive of the jeep was a seasoned professional or a novice..
People are trying to take away your right to bare arms?? WTF?? I already hate that I can't wear shorts to work in the summer!!
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I'm sorry for human loss of life, but I have zero sympathy if you get injured or killed when you are in a Jeep with the doors off and NOT wearing a seat belt.
If you aren't wearing a seatbelt with no doors your deserve it, bleach in the Gene pool
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Instances like this, just the liberals another reason to take our freedoms away. This doesn't just apply to jeeps without doors, but the right to bare arms etc.. In My posts, both cases dwelt with not wear seats belts and possible alcohol use. As for the Op's original post, Nowhere does it say if the drive of the jeep was a seasoned professional or a novice..
People are trying to take away your right to bare arms?? WTF?? I already hate that I can't wear shorts to work in the summer!!
God, the no shorts at work is murder, I'm dying from the heat I need to cool off but no, can't wear shorts.
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Cool In Vietnam infantry Jeeps were all Fun

In Vietnam infantry No Doors , No seatbelts , No glass in windshield which was folded down in front , pouring rain whilst driving over suspicious filled-in holes in the dirt tracks , rifle in lap pointed outwards with safety off , canvas seat covers totally soaked with brown dust and mud ; all Fun .
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In Vietnam infantry No Doors , No seatbelts , No glass in windshield which was folded down in front , pouring rain whilst driving over suspicious filled-in holes in the dirt tracks , rifle in lap pointed outwards with safety off , canvas seat covers totally soaked with brown dust and mud ; all Fun .
And only you and the driver was worried about ya'lls safety. Those were the days of the 60's and 70's....
Heck we didn't even have seat belts on the tractors..... really!
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This should server as a reminder to be safe out there on the trails. We lost another jeeper on Saturday in the Pacific NW area. A 1000ft drop is a long ways. Prayers for friends and family involved.


https://patch.com/washington/enumcla...-driver-killed
Unfortunate to hear about the two people. The Jeep did surprisingly well for falling 1000ft though!
Man killed near Mount Rainier in Jeep crash identified | The News Tribune
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This should server as a reminder to be safe out there on the trails. We lost another jeeper on Saturday in the Pacific NW area. A 1000ft drop is a long ways. Prayers for friends and family involved.


https://patch.com/washington/enumcla...-driver-killed
Unfortunate to hear about the two people. The Jeep did surprisingly well for falling 1000ft though!
Man killed near Mount Rainier in Jeep crash identified | The News Tribune
Wow, thanks for the article. What a tragedy
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For those of you that think that doors and roof on a wrangler is safe enough not to wear a seet belt, look at this vid. Sorry, it is in french and the driver was not very experienced to avoid such a stupid accident, I know this exact area, recongnized it when I saw the reel.

And can you tell me how a law for seat belt is taking your freedoms away? What about the freedom of your familly that will have to deal with the result of your stupidity cause you have to eat with a straw for the rest of your life!!!

Anyway, here is the vid.

Un violent capotage filmé par une «dashcam» | TVA Nouvelles
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Cool I installed a legal bottle opener for my freedoms

My Freedoms are So important I screwed a legal bottle opener on a wooden plug , ( not that I would ever use it ) , which fits nice on my JK dash in the square hole on the center console place below the radio . Also , what really irks me is the dumb rule that we Must have airbags , (which airbags have been dangerous and led to recalls ). Myself , I want Freedom from airbags , as well as freedom to have a legal bottle opener .
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For those of you that think that doors and roof on a wrangler is safe enough not to wear a seet belt, look at this vid. Sorry, it is in french and the driver was not very experienced to avoid such a stupid accident, I know this exact area, recongnized it when I saw the reel.

And can you tell me how a law for seat belt is taking your freedoms away? What about the freedom of your familly that will have to deal with the result of your stupidity cause you have to eat with a straw for the rest of your life!!!

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Un violent capotage filmé par une «dashcam» | TVA Nouvelles
Okay, I just endured 30 seconds of a French rap music ad to watch an idiot(jeep or not) drive head first into a concrete lane barrier. Seat belted or not, this person should not have been behind a wheel of any vehicle.

And I don't think anyone was arguing that seat belt laws are taking our freedom away. I read it as, this is all the more reason for nanny states such as PA to take our doorless jeep freedom away.
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Instances like this, just the liberals another reason to take our freedoms away.
NEWSFLASH: libtards don't need a reason to take our freedoms away. The motivation is innate.

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If you aren't wearing a seatbelt with no doors your deserve it, bleach in the Gene pool
Inane comment about bleaching the gene pool aside, what in hell does having the doors on or off have to do with whether or not seat belt use is important?
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This happened less than a mile from my house
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And I don't think anyone was arguing that seat belt laws are taking our freedom away. I read it as, this is all the more reason for nanny states such as PA to take our doorless jeep freedom away.
PA baffles me. I was at Rausch Creek on Saturday. As soon as you cross the border into PA, suddenly there are motorcycle riders without helmets.

How are they ok with that, yet won't let Jeep's run doorless??
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Deiving w/o doors should no be a problem in PA, specialy since the vid was procing that they do not hold the driver in w/o a seat belt. Btw, I drive w/o doors or complet soft doors from la may to late september. And sorry about the french rap, but some is good, but not all of it for sure.
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Thats terrible, not much will save you from a 1000ft fall.
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What's with all the nonsense liberal hating? liberals own jeeps, guns and love "wheeling" too.
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Instances like this, just the liberals another reason to take our freedoms away. This doesn't just apply to jeeps without doors, but the right to bare arms etc.. In My posts, both cases dwelt with not wear seats belts and possible alcohol use. As for the Op's original post, Nowhere does it say if the drive of the jeep was a seasoned professional or a novice..
i believe the point is that our liberal friends tend to reactively legislate with the intent to protect but they do not usually go after the true cause. You can't legislate morality or common sense.

A gang banger shoots some poor kid with a handgun and our liberal friends want to ban all guns instead of going after the gang bangers.

Some idiot decides they do not want to wear seatbelts while in an open Jeep and falls out of it and they want to ban running with no doors.
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i believe the point is that our liberal friends tend to reactively legislate with the intent to protect but they do not usually go after the true cause. You can't legislate morality or common sense.

A gang banger shoots some poor kid with a handgun and our liberal friends want to ban all guns instead of going after the gang bangers.

Some idiot decides they do not want to wear seatbelts while in an open Jeep and falls out of it and they want to ban running with no doors.
More people die by killing themselves with a gun vs "gang bangers". Inner city gangs are a problem and should be solved. I think getting kids out on the trails in jeeps would go a long way to keeping them off the streets. Great opportunity for jeep clubs to get inner city kids out.

Prevention seems to get the "best bang for the buck" so if we could diminish the ROI of "gangs" and make "living the good life" more affordable and more opportunistic we could solve a lot of our social problems. But we don't talk about that - we talk about taking guns away or whatever the "gang banger" problem is..

Instead of fixing problems though we call people "libtards" and say they want to take away our guns or make us have doors when neither of which have happened.

I advocate for gun safety. It's a shame the gun community ignores that 63% of all gun deaths are self-inflicted. That alone should scream "we have a mental health issue" but instead of improving our healthcare, we're fighting to destroy it (And exclude mental health coverage)

If it comes about that driving with doors off is causing a statistically measured harm to society, well, we'll probably have door laws. We all know we could prevent door laws by being smarter and if door laws do come about, its probably because we let stupid win.. Which i think explains more of our problems then we care to admit.

I guess in the end, i wish we could work together on reality.. There is no bill about doors on jeeps nor is there any bill about taking away guns on any legislative search i can find. We can pretend to blame liberals, or we can own our destiny and be sure to not do anything that causes problems that end up in legislation..

This liberal loves our country, loves the outdoors, loves offroading and loves his family, friends, neighbors and even strangers.. the jeep community is an awesome one, would be great to keep it centrist and cut back on the name calling. I think there are a lot of advantageous conversations we could have.

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I know this forum isn't about politics but I'm not going to let you spout crap without posting your sources. Where did you get you gun death numbers? The CDC? If so you need to be intellectually honest and admit that number also includes.... wait for it... SUICIDE!
As a former cop I'm well aware of the "child deaths" per year due to guns. Approximately 1 child died a day in the United States due to a firearm. While each is an individual tragedy, the numbers are statistically insignificant in a nation of over 330 million people. Those numbers are also off because the CDC counts any person under the age of 18 as a child (including the 15-17 YO "gang bangers" your word not mine).
The reason many scream "liberal" and get angry is, as a group, liberals tend to think additional government regulation is is a fix for societies ills. Additionally I would argue firearms and automobiles are highly regulated industries and education without additional regulation is a better solution to "problems" than the overhead and tax burden regulation creates. Just saying our cops would be better served fighting crime then writing tickets for not wearing safety belts and our tax money would be better served teaching gun safety in school rather than trying to ballistically fingerprint firearms. But I know..... opinions are like.....
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I know this forum isn't about politics but I'm not going to let you spout crap without posting your sources. Where did you get you gun death numbers? The CDC? If so you need to be intellectually honest and admit that number also includes.... wait for it... SUICIDE!
As a former cop I'm well aware of the "child deaths" per year due to guns. Approximately 1 child died a day in the United States due to a firearm. While each is an individual tragedy, the numbers are statistically insignificant in a nation of over 330 million people. Those numbers are also off because the CDC counts any person under the age of 18 as a child (including the 15-17 YO "gang bangers" your word not mine).
The reason many scream "liberal" and get angry is, as a group, liberals tend to think additional government regulation is is a fix for societies ills. Additionally I would argue firearms and automobiles are highly regulated industries and education without additional regulation is a better solution to "problems" than the overhead and tax burden regulation creates. Just saying our cops would be better served fighting crime then writing tickets for not wearing safety belts and our tax money would be better served teaching gun safety in school rather than trying to ballistically fingerprint firearms. But I know..... opinions are like.....
As a former State Trooper - this is my point exactly. Well stated. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
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PA baffles me. I was at Rausch Creek on Saturday. As soon as you cross the border into PA, suddenly there are motorcycle riders without helmets.

How are they ok with that, yet won't let Jeep's run doorless??
from my understanding as long as you have a min of 10k insurance on the bike you can ride lid less on a bike.
ill gladly stay in nj even tho they are slowly shutting down all our trails
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I know this forum isn't about politics but I'm not going to let you spout crap without posting your sources. Where did you get you gun death numbers? The CDC? If so you need to be intellectually honest and admit that number also includes.... wait for it... SUICIDE!
As a former cop I'm well aware of the "child deaths" per year due to guns. Approximately 1 child died a day in the United States due to a firearm. While each is an individual tragedy, the numbers are statistically insignificant in a nation of over 330 million people. Those numbers are also off because the CDC counts any person under the age of 18 as a child (including the 15-17 YO "gang bangers" your word not mine).
The reason many scream "liberal" and get angry is, as a group, liberals tend to think additional government regulation is is a fix for societies ills. Additionally I would argue firearms and automobiles are highly regulated industries and education without additional regulation is a better solution to "problems" than the overhead and tax burden regulation creates. Just saying our cops would be better served fighting crime then writing tickets for not wearing safety belts and our tax money would be better served teaching gun safety in school rather than trying to ballistically fingerprint firearms. But I know..... opinions are like.....
I'm not sure who you're replying to. My gun stats merely said that 63% of gun deaths are from suicide or self inflicted and I mentioned that mental health coverage should be something gun owners should advocate for. It was never about kids or deaths per million. It was in response to the "gang banger" which I can only presume to be gun violence related..

If we want to solve problems, it most certainly won't happen by ignoring them and playing partisan sides. I'm tired of it and if i see people on here calling others libtards and throwing around BS, i'll call it out. Would be nice if others would to. I'm happy to discuss facts, but it's like no one even read what i said and they just championed their own views.

but yeah, back to jeeps. If we don't want door laws, we should make sure people are wearing seatbelts and not causing undue stress on emergency/search and recovery responders in any statistically identifiable way.

as for 300+ million people, we all get along with each other day in day out without giving a hoot what our politics are.. we all love jeeps. If politics should stay out, lets not make it one sided.

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