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Old 07-16-2015, 09:52 AM
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My old Jeep please help

I purchased a willys jeep yesterday(7-16) and the guy a bought it from didn't know much about it and could not find a vin...

He told me in the ad it was a 1946 but without a vin that was just word of mouth. I started a bit or research today and what he told me was a post war civ jeep it shaping up to be a military vehicle. Any help would be helpful!!!

what I know so far:
Grill is a 41-45 willys/ford
Has rear storage in the wheel wells
has a glove box (that a pervious owner cut a hole for a speaker into!
MOTOR IS NOT LOCKED UP!
the tub is in rough shape =/ looks like a 5 year old learned how to weld all over the poor thing.
it being in texas there are a few rust issues but the floor pan looks to have been replaced in the past.
headlight are aftermarket and too big

I would love to figure out exactly what year my willys is if any of yall have any tips or year specific trails to help me identify the old girl it would be much appreciated

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Old 07-16-2015, 01:26 PM   #2
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First of all, I'd like to say: Welcome to Wrangler Forum!

It would help if you posted more pictures but for now I'll try to answer based on the one pic and your description.

It looks like you have what is often referred to as a "salad Jeep". Meaning it looks to be made up from several different Jeep models or at least there was lots of body work. It’s hard to tell from the one pic but it looks to be WWII body (MB or GPW) with an M38 windshield.
The Willys MB and Ford GPWs had the tool boxes in the wheel well and the gas tank filler under the driver’s seat. Also they do not have a tailgate and provisions for axe and shovel on the body outside the driver’s seat. Additionally, the headlights were recessed in the grill.
The CJ2A looked very much like WWII Jeeps but a few differences. The fuel filler cap was on the outside just aft of the driver’s seat, it had a tailgate and the tool box was under the passenger seat. Also, the headlights were built into the grill. I believe these same differences apply to the M-38 as well.
The windshield is definitely not a WWII military one and neither is it from a CJ2A. It looks exactly like the ones on the M-38s. If the body is an M-38 then there will be a fuel cap on the outside just aft of the driver’s seat and there would be slots for the shovel and axe outside the passenger seat area.
The only confusing thing is looking at the body on the driver’s side, I can see neither the fuel filler cap nor the slots for the tools. In my opinion, you have either a Willys MB or Ford GPW body which would place it 1946 or before. It looks like they have larger headlights and the windshield from an M-38.

As far as the VIN number goes, check the frame just aft of the front bumper on the driver's side (picture with a tape measure where the VIN would be).


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thanks for the info!!! I figured the windshield was out of place by doing research. The weird thing and I will get more pictures up tomorrow is that the floor board has been patched around driver seat and the fuel cell is in the back of the vehicle. but I have a circle welded into the tub on driver side that looks like it could have been located there but on the rear end I have what appers to be a fuel cap door that looks original..

this the amount on welds on it, it could be a few put together. but I don't see any makings of the shovel and axe groves but the whole side of the tub has holes that look like where a bunch of accessories have been mounted long ago.

I will alos check the vin in that location once I get home thanks for the help!
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Old 07-17-2015, 10:40 AM
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Alright..... the jackwagon that owned it has welding everything to everything else this will be a big pain now =/
the tub at one point in time had the indentation for the shovel

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owner decided to take all badges off and put some speakers in the thing

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welded a ball hitch, crushed a panel, weled a tire carrier on a random piece of metal, put a roll bar and yes that's wood attached to the window

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oh yeah remember where the vin should be... p.o. decided to weld a bracket right over that area and gusset the bracket

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surprise! old headlight lens broken so that the wrong ones could be screwed into the grill!!

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the drivers side when replacing the floorpan/gas tank p.o. decided to get rid on the axe and shovel placement and those beautiful welds again

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But HEY $340 for a jeep that has a the motor, trans, tcase, both axles, 4 headlights, some fires wood, and fishing seats isn't too bad of a deal!
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340 is a great price for someone who knows what the problems are, and is willing to spend the money, and has the know how. It seems you are just now finding the problems rather then seeing them before you purchased. I pretty much made the same mistake. I ended up selling my Willys and buying another that some one else did most of the work, for a fraction of what it would cost to actually do the work myself. You could do the same thing right now and actually make money, versus doing a bunch of work to it then selling it for a loss. OIr you can just look at it as a project for fun, and to get out of the house in the evenings! Either way, good luck !
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when I purchased the willys, I just knew it would be a good deal and all I wanted was something to get driving, he said it was a civ jeep. Once I started looking found out it was a ww2 jeep which kind of changed my outlook from just messing with to eventually wanted to restore it.
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Looks like you have a great project there

A few things that I can see to help identify things: From the position of the steering box, it looks to be a CJ2A or M-38 since the MB & GPWs had them closer to the fire wall. The tub looks to be from an MB or GPW based on the tool box locations, shovel & axe creases and I can see the trailer electrical plug-in above the left tail light. The grill is definitely from an MB or GPW as you suspected because you can see the hinge brackets that hold the headlights in place.

Hopefully the drive train is from a CJ2A as well because the T-90 transmission is better than the T-84s in the MBs & GPWs. Fortunately many of the parts were interchangeable between the Ford GPWs and the Willys MBs and CJ2As.

Good luck with your resto.
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I will look more in dept this weekend! I think it is a early jeep and they added that steering bax after the fact, thats why there are all those welds surrounding it. I will post more pictures probably on monday with updates! Thanks beastmaster
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I really do hope you the best, I really love the flat fenders. Mine's a wagon.There are great websites out there dedicated to restoring these gems and many places to get parts for them. Some places are more expensive then others for the same part so, watch out. In an effort to help a fellow Willys owner, I'll PM you on some places to take a look at. Good luck !
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Thanks for the help guys!

I pulled the head this weekend everything seems to be working fine, but the lack of compression is due to home much crud in in that motor the werid part is inside the motor the coolant was as green as it gets which gives me hope that it hasn't been nearly as long as I thought since its been running.

Thinking about it more and more and knowing I will need a new tub without a vin that I can find on the frame it looks like I will need a new frame also. Thought on that is I get everything mechanical running at top shape then get a repro tub and start working on that part of the journey and just keep a eye out for a decent frame with a vin and maybe even a title!

Once I start making a little more progress I will make a build thread.
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the head is from a 50-52 willys 800376 was numbers on the head and the markings are on the water pump are hard to make out I saw 59048 but im missing a number on it somewhere
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Pretty complete Jeep for what you paid, looks to be a later model MB to me.

What's your plans for it? Good enough to drive? Full resto?
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I am going to slowly restore it! i checked frame tonight and i have some original wood in the hat channel and the machine gun bracket on frame so i suspect the tub and frame have not been separated.
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Look at the front cross member. Is it a tube or a formed piece of metal? Tube is a Willys. Form member is a Ford. Willys put a W on most parts and bolts. Ford put a script F on almost everything. rear compartment doors flat Willys. Embossed is a Ford. Rear foot pegs, one has a hole in end other does not. Data plates should be on dash with Vin number. Vin number is also on frame near front left shock mount. If it starts with a W it's Willys. If it starts with GPW it's a Ford. I hope this helps.

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