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Old 12-22-2018, 11:36 AM
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BFGOODRICH ALL-TERRAIN T/A KO2 vs GENERAL GRABBER A/TX

1. BFGOODRICH ALL-TERRAIN T/A KO2 ... LT265/70R18 .... $249

2. GENERAL GRABBER A/TX ... LT265/70R18 .................... $226

3. GENERAL GRABBER AT 2 .... 265/70R18 .................... $191

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2013 Sahara JKU stock rims. It's my understanding the largest I can go on the stock rims is 265/70R18 with no mods of any kind.

I am looking to get 5 tires and am contemplating the above three, the top 2 being "LT" tires.

This is my daily driver and 95% is on highway, with some snow in the winter. Probably will always be, but if I decided to go off road (or move to the mountains) which of the above three would be good for a guy on a tight budget but, still be good in snow and occasional unpaved mountain roads.

The tread style between them looks very similar but the prices are not, difference of $115 between 1 & 2 for 5 tires and between 1 & 3, $290.

Anyone understand the difference between the two Generals other than one looks to be a passenger tire?

Anyone have experience with any of these tires?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Lots of views no comments, no one uses any of these tires?

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A lot of threads here about this, but I can only give you input on the ko2. It is awesome. Great dd tire, excellent manners in the snow sleet rain and muddy roads. Mine are E rated, and 275/70r18. I have no regrets. They are so far wearing like iron but stick like glue.

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A lot of threads here about this, but I can only give you input on the ko2. It is awesome. Great dd tire, excellent manners in the snow sleet rain and muddy roads. Mine are E rated, and 275/70r18. I have no regrets. They are so far wearing like iron but stick like glue.

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Thanks for the reply, didn't see any recent threads about these two tires (KO2) as the General A/TX is relatively new and quite a bit more $$ than the familiar AT 2
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I've used the KO2 and AT2. Haven't used the ATX yet.

The AT2s last forever. Great tires. Didn't have any issues with them. No flats, no odd wear, no noise. Just really good tires.

The KO2s are wearing a little fast, but are quiet and smooth and seem to offer good traction.

My advice is to NOT buy from Tire Rack unless you enjoy wasting money you don't have to. Tire Rack is expensive AND they tack on shipping. That's crazy. Try Tire America or Discount Tire Direct or Tires Easy instead.
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tirebuyer.com is another to check. They will ship to local tire shops for free and give mounting balancing up front if you have them shipped to one of their local installers. Discount tire direct does this to but have no local installers in my area.
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+1 on both Tire Buyer and Discount Tire Direct for all the reasons mentioned above. Between these two companies it also opens up your selection criteria. Consider also the Falken Wildpeak AT3/W which was awesome under my Grand Cherokee.
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I've used the KO2 and AT2. Haven't used the ATX yet.

The AT2s last forever. Great tires. Didn't have any issues with them. No flats, no odd wear, no noise. Just really good tires.

The KO2s are wearing a little fast, but are quiet and smooth and seem to offer good traction.

My advice is to NOT buy from Tire Rack unless you enjoy wasting money you don't have to. Tire Rack is expensive AND they tack on shipping. That's crazy. Try Tire America or Discount Tire Direct or Tires Easy instead.
I use tire rack for comparison and they have good details about each tire and ratings from supposed actual users.

The last set of tires I bought for my wife's Grand Cherokee were from Walmart, free shipping and they were about $50 a tire cheaper and were only about 6 months old.
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+1 on both Tire Buyer and Discount Tire Direct for all the reasons mentioned above. Between these two companies it also opens up your selection criteria. Consider also the Falken Wildpeak AT3/W which was awesome under my Grand Cherokee.
How are they in snow?
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How are they in snow?
I ran Falken AT3/Ws on my Grand Cherokee WK. One of the most remarkable drives was from Denver, CO through Wyoming, Montana and to Coeur d'Alene, ID. Temps ran from -17 to 35 degrees that trip. Parts of Wyoming and Montana freeways were iced over even closed in sections, yet those tires felt controllable under that Jeep. Even have the 3 peak symbol.
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#soberbyker - not that this helps in your decision making, but since you are in SEPA, you can pick up tires at the tirerack warehouse in DE.
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I have the Grabber AT2's and really like them. No hydroplaning in HEAVY rain, wearing great, very low noise - overall for the price I like them a lot. May get a set for my pickup next.
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Thanks everyone for the replies.

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I ran Falken AT3/Ws on my Grand Cherokee WK. One of the most remarkable drives was from Denver, CO through Wyoming, Montana and to Coeur d'Alene, ID. Temps ran from -17 to 35 degrees that trip. Parts of Wyoming and Montana freeways were iced over even closed in sections, yet those tires felt controllable under that Jeep. Even have the 3 peak symbol.
Thanks, I've been reading up on the AT3/W and the newest version has good reviews and a lot less than the Goodrich tires.



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#soberbyker - not that this helps in your decision making, but since you are in SEPA, you can pick up tires at the tirerack warehouse in DE.
Yes, I'm aware of that, I'm about 32 miles away, but so far all the tires I've been looking at offer free shipping from Tirerack if I was to buy from them. Plus I'd be buying 5, not sure all would fit in one trip.

I use tirerack for reviews and comparisons for the most part but buy wherever the overall price is best.


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even if they offer free shipping, if you pick up, they give you a credit.
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even if they offer free shipping, if you pick up, they give you a credit.
Yes, I saw that too, just not into the 60 some mile ride, I rather have them delivered to where they'll be mounted and balanced at. I have nowhere to store 5 tires and fitting them in the Jeep would be a pain in the ass.

It is something to think about though, and Delaware is tax free, can't remember if tirerack charges the PA tax.

Thanks for the heads up though.
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I have the Grabber AT2's and really like them. No hydroplaning in HEAVY rain, wearing great, very low noise - overall for the price I like them a lot. May get a set for my pickup next.
Glad you've had a good experience. I haven't.

I have the Grabber AT2 in 305/70/16.
I feel as though they were good in snow for the first year and now I honestly don't feel comfortable when there's snow on the ground.

Also, I've found that if I hit a decent sized puddle where only one side of the tires (front left and rear left or front right and rear right) hit the puddle it wants to pull in that direction fairly hard. It's scared the crap out of me a few times. I don't think I'm going to go with Grabbers any more once these tires run down.

And I do 5 tire rotations every 3K miles.
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Glad you've had a good experience. I haven't.

I have the Grabber AT2 in 305/70/16.
I feel as though they were good in snow for the first year and now I honestly don't feel comfortable when there's snow on the ground.

Also, I've found that if I hit a decent sized puddle where only one side of the tires (front left and rear left or front right and rear right) hit the puddle it wants to pull in that direction fairly hard. It's scared the crap out of me a few times. I don't think I'm going to go with Grabbers any more once these tires run down.

And I do 5 tire rotations every 3K miles.

If I remember correctly the GENERAL GRABBER A/TX is an updated version of the AT2 and much better all around, including the snow and wet roads you mentioned.

FWIW I still haven't bought new tires nor do I know which one I'll buy if I have enough tax return money left over after paying some bills, but I have added the Falken Wildpeak AT3/W to my original list of possible tires to buy. I do want decent tires but lack of money is a part of the equation.
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If I remember correctly the GENERAL GRABBER A/TX is an updated version of the AT2 and much better all around, including the snow and wet roads you mentioned.



FWIW I still haven't bought new tires nor do I know which one I'll buy if I have enough tax return money left over after paying some bills, but I have added the Falken Wildpeak AT3/W to my original list of possible tires to buy. I do want decent tires but lack of money is a part of the equation.
Yeah, the only issue I have is that the A/TX in the size I'm currently running is the tire load "E" rating on the tire. The AT2 are "D" rated.
I know some people don't say it's a big deal and you can't tell the difference but others have said it's a harder ride. I have a light Jeep so I'd rather stick with a "D" rated tire unless I get a chance to test out a Jeep on "E" tires.

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Yeah, the only issue I have is that the A/TX in the size I'm currently running is the tire load "E" rating on the tire. The AT2 are "D" rated.
I know some people don't say it's a big deal and you can't tell the difference but others have said it's a harder ride. I have a light Jeep so I'd rather stick with a "D" rated tire unless I get a chance to test out a Jeep on "E" tires.

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I went from D to E ko2s on my current 2 door jk, and there is zero noticeable differnce in feel on the road at 32 psi

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Thanks

Thanks again to all who shared their experience and opinions.

I did end up getting tires, but didn't have enough $$$$ to play with to get the tires I was originally looking at, $250+ each.

I ended up with Nitto Terra Grappler G2. Had them put on yesterday. Took them out today for a highway ride, got up to 80 mph for a couple miles, no vibration no more noise than the Goodyear Silent Armor they replaced.

It's supposed to snow overnight, a couple inches expected, and rain this weekend, so I'll get to see how they handle in all that mess.

Again thanks for the insight and ideas.

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Sweet! They look a fair amount bigger than the others.
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Sweet! They look a fair amount bigger than the others.
Yeah, taller for sure.

The (old) Silent Armour tires are 255 70/18.

The Nitto are 265 70/18






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There are a lot of things that go into a tire molding process, just the #s XXX/XXR18 doesn't really give you much.
Its like shoes, you know which brands fit and what ones don't, a size 11 should be a size 11 right? But are they? Not really very often.
So a 255 or 265 in one brand will be different than the next brand, close but they are all a bit different.


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Yeah, taller for sure.

The (old) Silent Armour tires are 255 70/18.

The Nitto are 265 70/18






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Look great!

I had those under my F150. They were great in the snow. Felt like they hydroplaned with the truck in heavy rain at 80mph. A different setup for sure, still a good long wearing tire.
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I ended up with Nitto Terra Grappler G2. Had them put on yesterday. Took them out today for a highway ride, got up to 80 mph for a couple miles, no vibration no more noise than the Goodyear Silent Armor they replaced.

It's supposed to snow overnight, a couple inches expected, and rain this weekend, so I'll get to see how they handle in all that mess.
So how did they do in the snow and rain?
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So how did they do in the snow and rain?
We've had snow 3 times and the past week and all three it melted the next day, lots of snow, although not deep, 3 inches maybe, and in all the water and rain the tires did fine. Got into some fresh snow on a slight incline and gunned it, no problem walking up in 2 wheel drive.

So in not real deep snow and water I felt they kept a grip on the road, this was all at slow speeds though.

So far I'm happy with the choice I made.
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So how did they do in the snow and rain?
Yesterday on a slight incline, on a saturated grassy surface, in a misty rain, I had to put it in 4 wheel as my ass end was fishtailing a bit, but walked right out in 4 wheel.

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