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Deciding which 285/75r17 at

In the next month or so I will be replacing my factory 265/70r17 ko2s with a 285/75r17 at, however I’m having trouble deciding between ko2s, st maxx, ridge grapplers. I have a 2017 2 door and commute 75 miles a day in the Chicago area, off-road is moderate but I can usually only get iut a couple times a year. Here is my logic on each tire, please let me know if my thinking is off.

Ko2
Cheapest of the 3, great in all 4 seasons, least attractive and I know What to expect. Had 2 occasions they let me down on trails. First was a limestone wall that I did in my jku sahara with stock duelers but that has lsd and a longer wheelbase. Second time was before I lifted and was doing a climb on wet clay and large rocks, skid plates and rails where hanging up on rocks so that may have been more of a size issue than anything.

St maxx
look good but not as good as grapplers, been around and are proven. I feel these will be better in winter and rain than ridge grapplers, especially long term.

Ridge Grapplers
Best looking, available inload c which is good for my light 2 door. Great road manners and off-road traction.

Am I at least looking at these three correctly?

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sounds reasonable. might also look at some Toyo AT2 in that size as they do everything well. I have owned many sets of Toyos, a set of KO2 (34 10.5's) and 3 sets of ST Maxx's. I really like the ST maxx's and the Toyos (price on Toyos in NW is insane due to Les Schwab locking up the market on them.) I have run the Toyos and the ST Maxx's on a 16 2 door and with proper psi they are both smooth and quiet. Not sure you could ever wear either of them out so if you like to change tires often neither would be a good choice.
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In the next month or so I will be replacing my factory 265/70r17 ko2s with a 285/75r17 at, however I’m having trouble deciding between ko2s, st maxx, ridge grapplers. I have a 2017 2 door and commute 75 miles a day in the Chicago area, off-road is moderate but I can usually only get iut a couple times a year. Here is my logic on each tire, please let me know if my thinking is off.

Ko2
Cheapest of the 3, great in all 4 seasons, least attractive and I know What to expect. Had 2 occasions they let me down on trails. First was a limestone wall that I did in my jku sahara with stock duelers but that has lsd and a longer wheelbase. Second time was before I lifted and was doing a climb on wet clay and large rocks, skid plates and rails where hanging up on rocks so that may have been more of a size issue than anything.

St maxx
look good but not as good as grapplers, been around and are proven. I feel these will be better in winter and rain than ridge grapplers, especially long term.

Ridge Grapplers
Best looking, available inload c which is good for my light 2 door. Great road manners and off-road traction.

Am I at least looking at these three correctly?

Be careful with those Shitto Ridge Crapplers. Even though they are rated LT-C, they are known to be very heavy so the load rating is a moot point. They also have a few complaints from owners about those tread blocks with huge horizontal faces causing crappy handling. I'm not a big fan of this brand in general. I've seen too many problems with them.

The ST Maxx is a great tire. Sometimes they are hard to balance. They do tend to last a long time though.

I'm currently running the KO2 in the 285/75-17 size because it's the most lightweight tire in that size and it still has the 3-ply sidewalls. I have found that this tire is smooth as silk from 0 to 80 MPH, very quiet, and does a surprisingly good job in mud and rain compared to the old KO. I was shocked, because the KO sucked.

My favorite tire ever is the Falken Wildpeak A/T3W and it is offered in this size also. It is a bit heavy, however. But...what a great tire. And the prices are usually wonderful on them.
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Be careful with those Shitto Ridge Crapplers. Even though they are rated LT-C, they are known to be very heavy so the load rating is a moot point. They also have a few complaints from owners about those tread blocks with huge horizontal faces causing crappy handling. I'm not a big fan of this brand in general. I've seen too many problems with them.

The ST Maxx is a great tire. Sometimes they are hard to balance. They do tend to last a long time though.

I'm currently running the KO2 in the 285/75-17 size because it's the most lightweight tire in that size and it still has the 3-ply sidewalls. I have found that this tire is smooth as silk from 0 to 80 MPH, very quiet, and does a surprisingly good job in mud and rain compared to the old KO. I was shocked, because the KO sucked.

My favorite tire ever is the Falken Wildpeak A/T3W and it is offered in this size also. It is a bit heavy, however. But...what a great tire. And the prices are usually wonderful on them.
Every once in a while I look at the falkens and they remind me of the ko2. Since I have ko2s already and they’re only $8 more tire I feel a little more comfortable sticking with what I know.
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I just got a set of the Ridge Grapplers and I am very happy with them so far. Picked up about .5 mpg overall. Just as quiet as the KO2's. Handled the mud nicely last weekend. My sales manager says that they do well in the snow. I went with them over the KO2's for the C rating. Running a 2009 Rubicon 2 door with a Q-tech leveling kit and stock rims with 1.5" wheel spacers. No rubbing anywhere last weekend at the park.
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I just got a set of the Ridge Grapplers and I am very happy with them so far. Picked up about .5 mpg overall. Just as quiet as the KO2's. Handled the mud nicely last weekend. My sales manager says that they do well in the snow. I went with them over the KO2's for the C rating. Running a 2009 Rubicon 2 door with a Q-tech leveling kit and stock rims with 1.5" wheel spacers. No rubbing anywhere last weekend at the park.
What size Grapplers and what gear ratio do you have?
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KO2 is good, not too noisy.
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I recommend the Trail Grapplers. They have an agressive design which can provide amazing off-road traction. These nitto tires are quiet and wear really well also.
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weights on Discount Tire site:
Ridge E: 66 lb
Ridge C: 66 lb
ST Maxx E: 65
KO2 E: 61
AT3W E: 66 lb.
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Be careful with those Shitto Ridge Crapplers. Even though they are rated LT-C, they are known to be very heavy so the load rating is a moot point. They also have a few complaints from owners about those tread blocks with huge horizontal faces causing crappy handling. I'm not a big fan of this brand in general. I've seen too many problems with them.

The ST Maxx is a great tire. Sometimes they are hard to balance. They do tend to last a long time though.

I'm currently running the KO2 in the 285/75-17 size because it's the most lightweight tire in that size and it still has the 3-ply sidewalls. I have found that this tire is smooth as silk from 0 to 80 MPH, very quiet, and does a surprisingly good job in mud and rain compared to the old KO. I was shocked, because the KO sucked.

My favorite tire ever is the Falken Wildpeak A/T3W and it is offered in this size also. It is a bit heavy, however. But...what a great tire. And the prices are usually wonderful on them.
I have had 3 sets in the last 2 years 1 set of 295/70-17 and 2 sets of 285/75-17 all took very little weight. biggest issue is they don't wear out . I have 13,000 miles on my latest set and stuck a rock or something thru the tread and knocked a chunk of rubber out exposing the steel cords. They replaced it via road hazard free of charge so now I am going to go with a 4 tire rotation and save the new spare so hopefully they will wear out a bit faster .
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Been extremely happy with my Nitto Ridge Grapplers 285/75/17
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Cooper recently came out with a new AT3 XLT. Has a more aggressive sidewall than the AT3. 285/75/17 weighs in at 58lbs.
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What size Grapplers and what gear ratio do you have?
285/75/17 C rated. 09 Rubicon with stock 4.10 gears.
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What size Grapplers and what gear ratio do you have?
285/75/17 C rated. 09 Rubicon with stock 4.10 gears.
Did you notice a change in drivability or mpgs?
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KO2's score major points. Best all around AT and it's the lightest. Trust me- I've done all the research before making my latest purchase
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KO2's score major points. Best all around AT and it's the lightest. Trust me- I've done all the research before making my latest purchase
Do you have any pics? Not a lot of pics of 285/75r17 floating around the web.
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KO2's score major points. Best all around AT and it's the lightest. Trust me- I've done all the research before making my latest purchase
Not the lightest anymore. The Cooper at3 xlt is 57 lbs in the 285/75r17 and it's getting pretty good reviews. It's also less than 240.00 most places.

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Good catch ChemE.
With OP being in Chicago, which sees lots of snow, I still maintain the KO2's are best. They received the industry severe snow service rating (three mountain peak symbol). Being in CT, that was a big factor for me. I'll take all the snow traction I can get.
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Good catch ChemE.
With OP being in Chicago, which sees lots of snow, I still maintain the KO2's are best. They received the industry severe snow service rating (three mountain peak symbol). Being in CT, that was a big factor for me. I'll take all the snow traction I can get.
I am strongly considering the ko2 as well as the nrg 255/80r17 when the factory bfg mts wear out. Got a while for that though. How tall, actually are the bfg ko2 s mounted?

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My 285/75/r17's measure at 33.5" and running 28PSI.
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In the next month or so I will be replacing my factory 265/70r17 ko2s with a 285/75r17 at, however I’m having trouble deciding between ko2s, st maxx, ridge grapplers. I have a 2017 2 door and commute 75 miles a day in the Chicago area, off-road is moderate but I can usually only get iut a couple times a year. Here is my logic on each tire, please let me know if my thinking is off.

Ko2
Cheapest of the 3, great in all 4 seasons, least attractive and I know What to expect. Had 2 occasions they let me down on trails. First was a limestone wall that I did in my jku sahara with stock duelers but that has lsd and a longer wheelbase. Second time was before I lifted and was doing a climb on wet clay and large rocks, skid plates and rails where hanging up on rocks so that may have been more of a size issue than anything.

St maxx
look good but not as good as grapplers, been around and are proven. I feel these will be better in winter and rain than ridge grapplers, especially long term.

Ridge Grapplers
Best looking, available inload c which is good for my light 2 door. Great road manners and off-road traction.

Am I at least looking at these three correctly?
What about GY Duratracs?
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What about GY Duratracs?
I like them and believe they’re ideal for what I want but I would have to drop to 295/70r17 which isn’t necessarily a deal breaker but I have a hard time believing they’re $55 a tire better than the ko2. If they had a 285/75r17 for $280ish I would probably go that route and I may still go that route since 1/2” shorter and 6# lighter might let me keep my 3.73 gears.
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I like them and believe they’re ideal for what I want but I would have to drop to 295/70r17 which isn’t necessarily a deal breaker but I have a hard time believing they’re $55 a tire better than the ko2. If they had a 285/75r17 for $280ish I would probably go that route and I may still go that route since 1/2” shorter and 6# lighter might let me keep my 3.73 gears.
I have them at 315/70 R17. Picked them up for $305 a piece and then received $100 rebate. I am running 3.21 gears still, but will be regearing this winter. Even with 285/75 and 3.73, it will hunt for gears on the freeway. Driveable but not ideal.
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Here's my 285/75-17 KO2 (left) next to the 35x12.50-15 KO (right). The 35s are obviously wider, but the 35 is only 0.48" taller mounted on the Jeep versus the 285/75-17. Interesting...

As far as snow goes, the KO absolutely sucks in snow and in mud, so I'm very anxious to see how the KO2 does for me this winter. If it rocks, I'll be a fan for life. But if it blows, I'm going to switch back to the Falken A/T3W.
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I have them at 315/70 R17. Picked them up for $305 a piece and then received $100 rebate. I am running 3.21 gears still, but will be regearing this winter. Even with 285/75 and 3.73, it will hunt for gears on the freeway. Driveable but not ideal.
I have 295/70r18 stt pros on my wife’s jku and it was fine with 3.73 but it’s definitely better with 4.56. With the jk being 500# lighter and naturally peppier I am hoping a regear won’t be necessary but I have excepted that I may go 4.56 as well.
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Finally got tired of changing my mind every couple of hours and ordered st maxx. They’ve been on and off the road for 6 years proving themselves so I pulled the trigger. I do imagine that I would have been happy with all tires I considered and all that were recommended but I needed to get on with my life and the coopers were leading when my patience ran out.
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Finally got tired of changing my mind every couple of hours and ordered st maxx. They’ve been on and off the road for 6 years proving themselves so I pulled the trigger. I do imagine that I would have been happy with all tires I considered and all that were recommended but I needed to get on with my life and the coopers were leading when my patience ran out.
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Finally got tired of changing my mind every couple of hours and ordered st maxx. They’ve been on and off the road for 6 years proving themselves so I pulled the trigger. I do imagine that I would have been happy with all tires I considered and all that were recommended but I needed to get on with my life and the coopers were leading when my patience ran out.
I totally get this. Why does tire research take up so much time? I guess we just want to get it right before blowing $2K on tires. I too need to more on with my life. Ugh. I'm leaning toward Duratecs.
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Nothing wrong with the S/T Maxx... I've chunked the snot out of mine so they are getting a bit noisy. But still do everything very well.

The best AT tire is the Nitto Ridge Grappler. We've installed around 100 sets in the last 2 years and not 1 complaint. I've got them on my daughters 2dr and would choose them first in most cases.

I've always been an AT guy, but I think I'm going to try a set of the Milestar Patagonia MT's this time...

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