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Old 01-13-2018, 06:27 PM
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Duratrac Disappointment

I love the Goodyear Duratrac tires. I have them on our 04 TJ and our 04 F150. Imagine my surprise when I called to order the Duratracs for our 18JKRR in the stock size 255/75/17 and the nice lady on the phone told me they couldn't be installed on our Jeep.

What? It turns out that size is not an LT size and does not carry a C load rating (6 ply tire). This size is only a 4-ply tire. Because of this, the Goodyear installer will not install them on our Jeep.

What the heck? I'm looking at my stock tires on the Jeep and wondering for what vehicle this Duratrac tire is designed?

So now it's back to the drawing board in the tires search for a new size. Too bad because the price on these tires was $153 each. Looking at C tires and they're all about $100 more each.

Options:
245/75/17= 31.5"x9.6"x7.2"
255/75/17= 32.1"x10"x7.5" (stock)
265/70/17= 31.6"x10.4"x7.3"
285/70/17= 32.7"x11.2"x7.9"

Our TJ is running:
285/75/16= 32.8"x11.2"x7.9"
Our F150 is running:
265/70/17= 31.6"x10.4"x7.3"

Unless I want to go smaller, it looks like the closest match is going to be the 285/70/17 at 1/2" taller and about 1" wider. Too bad these tires are $250 instead of $150 though.

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The last number in the tire sizes I posted is the sidewall height. I found a decent tire size calculator here: https://tiresize.com/calculator/

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That's retarded. What installer refused to mount them? Each tire is rated at almost 2700lbs carrying capacity for the size you want. Find a different installer. Most tires that come on jeeps are p's not LT's anyway.
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This installer is an independent Goodyear shop. They will install the tires on my wheels but since the tire is not appropriate for the vehicle, they will not warranty the tire if it gets damaged or fails. Remember the Firestone/Explorer fiasco a few years ago? Same thing.

I had to sign a waiver for a shop to install 295/30/20 on a 10" wide rim at another shop. Installers around here are doing everything they can to CYA.
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I have the DTs on mine. They are awesome and no issues from the dealer installing them. I don't run rocky trails in the winter so the P rating is just fine...

I run MTs in the summer and DTs in the winter.
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I loved the DTs on our '16 and like the Cooper STT PRO on the '18 just as well.

They're available in the stock size in a C rating. $215 on DTD LINK
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This is a good example of why it a better choice to buy tires from a big chain line discount tire. The dealer you are using is only trying to get out of warranting tires. P rated tires are used on 4 door jk's all the time right off the lot. Grand Cherokee's come with P rated tires, which are why heavier then a TJ. The firestone issue was defective tires, firestone tired to use the "not the proper application excuse to blame ford".
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That is not true.
I had America’s tire refusing to install new tire on wife’s GL450 because it was on ~1” wider that their computer allowed. Installed it in different shop.
Few weeks ago was doing tires on 97 Dodge Ram 1500 and same thing, new tires are too big in diameter to be installed ( WTF u can fit ~10” between stock tire and fender).
They used to be more agreeable to my requests back few years ago.
So from now on if they don’t do it I go to other small shop.




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Sound like that shop only. How else do you get 37's on a jeep that came with 30's. Every discount tire I have gone to has not issue with going larger then stock.
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My issue isn't tire size, it's load rating.

I didn't see the DTs C at DTD. I'll look harder.
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My issue isn't tire size, it's load rating.

I didn't see the DTs C at DTD. I'll look harder.
It is the Cooper STT PRO that is available in a C rating at DTD. Probably not what you wanted to hear.

I have the P rated DTs on my 2015 JK and no issues - I do not run rocky trails in the winter. I will switch back to my MTs for the summer and trail running.
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my DT's are running fine on my 2014.. not rock climbing. These tires are amazing in snow!
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Our new wheels came in today. Looks like it's time to bite the bullet and get the 285/70/17s. I'd rather go slightly larger than smaller. Besides, the old TJ Sport can't have bigger tires than the Rubicon Recon, right? That just doesn't seem kosher.
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Totally blown away at what installers are charging for aftermarket TPMS!

Discount tire: $60 / wheel
Just tires: $85-$90 / wheel
Quadratec: $175 for full set of 5.

One of the two installers told me that they wouldn't install the tires without TPMS and they would only do the install of I used THEIR TPMS. If I brought in my own TPMS already on the wheel and they weren't the factory TPMS, no install.
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Also, one installer told me they're install would be $35 / tire. When I explained to them I was ordering from the Goodyear website and that install was included at $14 / tire, they said okay. Wondering why they charge $35 / tire of I bring them in myself?! That's double the install price of purchased online. Shady?
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Load class:
According to tire rack, it looks like different models have different load classes:
Rubicon: C
Sport: S
Willy's: C

That's odd. I wonder if it's because of axle ratio or expected amount of off-road usage.

Could I please get a few guys out there to verify the load class listed on their door tags for 2-door sport and other model classes?

Thank you.
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Just checked the TJ tires and they are load class P (4-ply).

Hmm...
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Base Sport tires (mine at least) are P225/75r16. That's all it says on the tag.
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Base Sport tires (mine at least) are P225/75r16. That's all it says on the tag.


Thanks for the info.
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2015 JK Willys has 255/75R17 C on the tag.

I am currently running 255/75R17 Duratracs which have a load index of 115, load range of SL and a speed rating of S. Don't think I have 2,721 lbs on each tire.

They are awesome on everything from slick ice through snow floor to deep powder..

I will be switching back to the MTs before hitting the mud and rocks in the summer
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2015 JK Willys has 255/75R17 C on the tag.



I am currently running 255/75R17 Duratracs which have a load index of 115, load range of SL and a speed rating of S. Don't think I have 2,721 lbs on each tire.



They are awesome on everything from slick ice through snow floor to deep powder..



I will be switching back to the MTs before hitting the mud and rocks in the summer


Did you have any issue with the installer putting SL tires on your vehicle even though the door tag requires C?
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Did you have any issue with the installer putting SL tires on your vehicle even though the door tag requires C?
None. The installer is in the Goodyear Tire and Service Network and we have used them for years for all our tires and service needs once our vehicles were out of warranty.

I asked about the SL tire instead of C and their comment was that the SL would not last long on the rocky trails round here but they were unbeatable for winter roads or gravel/dirt forest roads. I plan to run the MTs again in the summer.
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Thanks for all the good information. I don't run Rocky trails and would prefer the lighter S tires. Our TJ has S tires and we haven't had problems with them on the trails we run. The problem is getting an installer to put them on our Jeep since the door tag says C.
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Thanks for all the good information. I don't run Rocky trails and would prefer the lighter S tires. Our TJ has S tires and we haven't had problems with them on the trails we run. The problem is getting an installer to put them on our Jeep since the door tag says C.
Good luck - maybe find an installer who is also a Jeeper? My installer is a small local company, they matched the online price pretty much and the tech that installed them is an ovelander - although unfortunately he drives an FJ
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Since I have spare wheels I guess I don't have to tell them to what vehicle the wheels will be mounted. Since I plan to do more treacherous off-roading with the Rubicon, I'm going to go with the 6-ply just in case I got a sharp edge somewhere.
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