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Old 11-04-2018, 05:08 AM
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Figuring no one will help but might as well ask!

Considering no one replies to newbs on here or try’s to help them out I’d figure I’d say fuxk it and just post this anyway. So I made a post a while ago about fitting 305/70/16 on a stock 2dr Jk. Well it worked and they fit great. Problem is that I took them down to a tire warehouse to have them mounted and balanced and after about an hour the guy tell me sorry we cannot balance these whatsoever. He then put bags of “equal” in them to make them balance. I was not agreeable with this but he really didn’t give me an option. Now my tires shake horribly bad anywhere from 30-45 mph. What the hell am I supposed to do now. Would be nice if someone could give a crap on here

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All I can think of is try another tire shop. What brand tire did you buy? If you bought a "name brand", I'd call them to investigate the problem.
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Did they suggest road force balancing the tires? You might want to look into that and see if it can be done for your application. That is what is usually done with tough to balance tires. Most shops don't have the equipment, and it isn't cheap to do.
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. Might want to leave the attitude if you expect to get help. As far as what to do take them back.
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Nice attitude you have going there. After your first post the preceding ones are all pissy complaining no one answered your question. Did it ever occur to you that the reason that no one answered you is that they didn't have the answer to your question? No one hear owes anyone anything, its a forum of free exchange. Don't immediately assume the worst of everyone just because they didn't answer your first question because if you do your just cutting yourself off from a wealth of information here.

In answer to your question, take it to another tire store and have them re-balanced AFTER the clowns at the first tire store take out the sugar packets. They obviously don't know what they are doing to even suggest such a fix. There, someone helped you. Now we can all be friends again.
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It is hard to tell what to do from your post. Did you use spacers, and if so, do they fit tightly, and do the wheels spin without any wobble? Do the tires have any wobble? Are they perfectly round? It is fairly common for tires to be a little out of round. Do all four tires have problems, or just the front, for example?
In summary, you need a knowledgeable tire store, not one that does a quick and dirty job at the lowest possible price because they don't check anything.
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Running that size tire on a stock 16" wheel will require spacers. It sounds like the rotor retaining clips were left on and that will cause the wheel shake.
Like other have said, take it to a tire shop that know what they are doing, not a high volume warehouse that is just pushing customers through.
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Maybe that chip on your shoulder is throwing the balance off.
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"I took them down to a tire warehouse to have them mounted and balanced"

Sounds like you bought em online. You never said what brand tires. There's some pretty crappy stuff coming out of China and other "don't-give-a-crap" companies around the world. What did you pay for them? Quality tires are mostly balanced during the manufacturing process with small adjustments necessary after install.
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Deffinately need alot more info to be able to help. Brand of tire? New or used? Spacers? Did u have any problems with prior wheels? Equal bags added?? This info just to start talking about this.
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Hey guys sorry for being a dick it’s just that when you spend 1500+ on a wheel and tire setup and some shmuck messes it up, I don’t think anyone would be happy. To the dude who said to leave, boo boo cry me a river I’m staying son.

Ok, now I purchased MB 352 16/8.5 4.5 BS -6 offset wheels for the tires to go on. There are milestar Patagonia’s 305/70/16 so essentially 33/12.50/16. They fit perfect with a no rubbing and sit a little bit outside of the fenders. Problem is I bought the tires from Walmart with a 100% return policy so if said shmuck could have told me they wouldn’t balance I could have exchanged the defective ones. Called a firstone locally and they said the dude is nuts and now I have to pay to have the packets vac’d out and then re mounted and rebalanced the correct way on a road force. Called back tire warehouse where they installed the “equal flex” and they said sorry can help no refund. Gotta love scamming scum.
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So what they added to balance the wheels was called Dyna Beads, or Esco is another name brand.
Not Equal, that goes in your coffee.
And not a scam but you need to know what you are doing for it to work.
Milestars are a Taiwanese Tire by Nankang Rubber, far from a quality tire.
Good luck getting them balanced, if I was you before you do anything take them back to WalMart and get your money back.
Save up another $1k or so and get a well known name brand tire.

Good Truck tires start at about $200 per tire, $200 x 5 = $1000

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Hey guys sorry for being a dick it’s just that when you spend 1500+ on a wheel and tire setup and some shmuck messes it up, I don’t think anyone would be happy. To the dude who said to leave, boo boo cry me a river I’m staying son.

Ok, now I purchased MB 352 16/8.5 4.5 BS -6 offset wheels for the tires to go on. There are milestar Patagonia’s 305/70/16 so essentially 33/12.50/16. They fit perfect with a no rubbing and sit a little bit outside of the fenders. Problem is I bought the tires from Walmart with a 100% return policy so if said shmuck could have told me they wouldn’t balance I could have exchanged the defective ones. Called a firstone locally and they said the dude is nuts and now I have to pay to have the packets vac’d out and then re mounted and rebalanced the correct way on a road force. Called back tire warehouse where they installed the “equal flex” and they said sorry can help no refund. Gotta love scamming scum.
Get the road force balance. I had to go to three different shops to get my old mickey thompson's balanced and they still aren't perfect..rode awesome for a few thousand miles, but got a shake at 46-49 mph currently. Large mud-terrain tires are difficult to balance, especially as they wear out. I wouldn't just assume they were scamming you without more info. Not many places will issue a refund for their labor charges, especially if it's weeks/months down the road.

Equal packets like the artificial sweetener?? I've heard of balancing beads (or airsoft BB's) being used, but never sugar packets..?

I was so tempted just to respond with a snotty remark based on your attitude, but figured I'd try to understand where you are coming from...that's a lot of money to not have it done correctly..but don't take your anger out on these forum members..you won't be getting much help in the future if that persists. Also, it seems like there is way more traffic in model-specific forums, rather than the general ones like this one is in, that could be why your old thread didn't get many responses.

Anyways, it's not the end of the world. Get them properly balanced and go enjoy your jeep
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Could be the wheels and not the tires

I had some banged up rims from too many curb scrapes (this, not on a Jeep) and the tire folk claimed they could not get it to balance. They swapped wheels with my full-size spare and all was good.
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FYI.. the trucking industry has/does use balance beads successfully. The Key to the B.Beads is getting the proper ones for the tire size-did the ones installed fit your size tire?
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for 6 posts, you sure whine alot. i dont think ive been on another forum with more help towards newbs, especially when theres not too many unsolved jeep questions out there that have already been asked and answered and can be searched via thread/forum search and/or google. unlike the lambo or sportbike communities, jeepers seem to really wanna help their own
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^^Well Said^^ It's a give and get balance. While I'm somewhat of a Newbie here I've had an excellent experience with the few issues (so far) I'm trying to work through. Act like a human...treat others like a human...get treated like a human. There's an Ark of knowledge here and I appreciate those who have thought out my problem and offer options and their own experiences. Buying a 30 year old Jeep...really, really cool...having tons of mechanics standing in line 24/7 to help me with it...PRICELESS!!!
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OP - hindsight is always 20/20. I actually got a set of Walmart tires once second hand. I didn't buy them, they came on my TJ when I bought it off my dealer's used vehicle lot. Shortly after I bought it, I took it down to my GY tire dealer whom I have dealt with for over 25 years. I wanted to know how old the tires were as part of gathering background info on the TJ. I got more information than I had expected.

The tires on the ground were 2 years old and then he added "those are a WalMart tires and I can't even order them". Now the tires said "Goodyear Wrangler" but the were for WalMart only. The spare was 4 years old and would never be on the ground as it had a large plug in it.

Fast forward six months and the tire vibration was getting worse. So I went back down and had them balanced and rotated. It helped a bit, but they were noisy as all get out. (Noise had been increasing over the time I bought the TJ). So I drove it for about another six months and gave up. I took it down and had four new tires fitted. The are a mild GY A/T style tire but are smooth and quiet. However, as part of my refresh of the TJ, new black 16" wheels are here and I pick up 5 new GY Duratracs tomorrow morning, stock LT245/75R16 but in C rating vs the OEM E rating.

I refuse to go to the run of the mill in town tire store. Most cannot deal with oversize tires and those you have are definitely oversize tires. My tire dealer is a bit south of town, about a 25 minute drive for me. They have been in the tire business a long time and are not a franchise of a national chain. They have a lot of commercial delivery and over the road truck business, in fact have 4 bays on the back side of their building for 18 wheeler tractors. They also maintain the vehicles for the Sheriff's department. They only balance with road force.

I had an experience with them once on a set of LT305/70R16 GY tires (sound familiar?). I had the tires mounted on a 2000 Dodge Ram 2500 and on the way back to work I had a vibration and in the rear view mirror I could see the right rear corner of the bed going up and down. I called back to the tire dealer and went back that evening. They tested it again and could not get it balanced for it was out of round. They had a replacement tire for me two days later and installed it and all was good.

One question I have is if you bought the tires at a WalMart, why did you have to go to another tire store to have them mounted and balanced? Most WalMart stores that sell tires also install them, if you wanted WalMart tires. WalMart can point fingers at the tire store and the tire store can point fingers at WalMart.

If you decide you want to stay with those tires, find a tire store that does a lot of commercial and truck work (used to working with heavy tires). Have them check the runout before the do anything. Runout is the difference in the circumference of the tire from the center (out of round). If they are out of round, there is nothing you can do to get the vibration out of them.

On thing you can do even before that is to jack one wheel up and remove the tire/wheel. Look at the rotor where the lug bolts come through and if you see two to three clips around the bolts up against the mounting face, those are the clips the factory uses to keep the rotors from coming off as the Jeep goes down the assembly line until the wheels are mounted. Then look at the mounting face of the wheels. The factory wheels (and some aftermarket wheels) have small recesses around the bolt holes so the face of the wheel will be tight against the mounting face of the rotor.

My TJ still (after 15 years) has the clips and the factory wheels. The new wheels I have do not have that recess, so the tech in the morning has to remove the clips. Otherwise I will have wheel wobble and have trouble getting the lugs to stay tight. Once the wheels are installed at the factory those clips are just a nuisance.

Sorry to be so long winded, but mounting and fitting wheels and tires and getting them right is not as simple as many think. Getting it right is a large part of the comfort and safety of our vehicles.
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Milestar is a U.S. company and their tires are getting good reviews, especially their M/T.

Lots of things can cause vibration. It may be the wheels. I've had a lot of trouble with the chinese aftermarket wheels that are commonly sold online. It could be your rotors. Could be improper lug nuts. Could be a lot of things.

As suggested, find a shop that has quality technicians. They can help you out.
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my guess is that you have a problem that is some ones fault every time you do anything. chill out and you will get more done
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Tire shake

I’m on Jeep number 14 over the last 30 years, yes I’m a glutton for punishment! These forums have proven “PRICELESS” since the invention of this internet thing! The stuff you learn here is rarely in any manual... I’ve been wrenching a long time, but every Jeep is different, and the guys here have more experience than I could store between my ears. So lose the attitude, I used to escort guys with you’re attitude off the property in a heartbeat, learn some respect. Every time I swear that was the last going back to flipping my Plumb Crazy Purple 327 Chevy/CJ-5, worst part I was showing off against a curb!! Recently finished restoring a JK roll over from Uwaharrie, even got to watch the video at 1mph! It came with all new Terra-Flex suspension kit, soup to nuts, Poison Spider flares, sliders etc. too much to list here, but took 2trailers to haul it back. The tires looked like brand new Pro Comps, even had the nubs on the treads. I got the Death Wobble first time I got up to about 50mph, I couldn’t see the speedo it was shaking so bad I was just looking for a soft spot to plant it! I did safely land on the burm and put my brand new Warn to work! After going back through, re-torquing every nut & bolt it turned out I had never looked at the “Born On Date” of the tires with so many other things including a new steel body included. The tires were 12 years old and missing huge lugs after only 10 minutes in gravel / dirt, 10 minutes on the road... ProComp makes an excellent tire in my experience so I skipped a little thing that almost cost me the whole Jeep... I shound know better. As soon as the guy mentioned sugar packets in the tires, I would have taken my vehicle down the road no more questions asked. If you’re going to keep your Jeep you better learn, DO IT RIGHT, DO IT ONCE! You might not get a do-over, head on traffic and Mother Nature are rarely forgiving...
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Hey guys sorry for being a dick it’s just that when you spend 1500+ on a wheel and tire setup and some shmuck messes it up, I don’t think anyone would be happy. To the dude who said to leave, boo boo cry me a river I’m staying son.

Ok, now I purchased MB 352 16/8.5 4.5 BS -6 offset wheels for the tires to go on. There are milestar Patagonia’s 305/70/16 so essentially 33/12.50/16. They fit perfect with a no rubbing and sit a little bit outside of the fenders. Problem is I bought the tires from Walmart with a 100% return policy so if said shmuck could have told me they wouldn’t balance I could have exchanged the defective ones. Called a firstone locally and they said the dude is nuts and now I have to pay to have the packets vac’d out and then re mounted and rebalanced the correct way on a road force. Called back tire warehouse where they installed the “equal flex” and they said sorry can help no refund. Gotta love scamming scum.


If you haven't yet contact your CC company or better yet PayPal if you went that route (I LOVE PAYPAL!) and open a complaint and request a charge back immediately. It's amazing how fast people become helpful when all of a sudden there is a threat the money will be gone. This is a safety concern and you were sold faulty product that didn't meet expectations of the advertised product represented to you.

Second as people have suggested, find a tire dealer or a good garage that can road force balance your tire. it will have to be broken down to remove the packets but really this isn't a big deal for a garage with tire equipment. If they can't get the tire to balance then there is a defect in the tire and it will need to be replaced. Good tires will balance and if not a good company will stand behind them.
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Hard story to follow. If I had a dollar for every story I’ve heard about parts bought at one place and installed somewhere else, well you know the rest.
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Personally I like the attitude....get fired up!

If theres 1 thing on a Jeep worth spending money on..its a quality tire. Better ride and they last longer saving money down the road. The KO2s are my choice every time. 35" and 2 1/2 inch lift and it drives almost like the stock setup.

Consensus here (minus the needless attitude lecturing), take them back and demand a refund...you can always go the route of BBB or emailing the company with an articulate letter explaining how a reputation can be tarnished with negative comments online...etc.

If you raise a big stink, you normally will get your way. Good luck!
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I just had new wheels and tires put on my TJ. I always talk about the tire dealer who is a large independent (ie: not part of a chain) and they do a lot of commercial work as well as the Sheriff's patrol vehicles. I have always been pleased with them and their work. Today as the mechanic was finishing up mounting the tires I happened to walk outside and look into the bay and saw what tool he was using.

It was an honest to goodness torque wrench. I had always figured that like most tire stores, they would use an air wrench. They do on some things, but not lug nuts.
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There are torque adapters many high volume tire shops use with an air wrench. It's designed to slip at a given torque. They are color keyed for different specs and look like a large, 8-10" socket extension. Then...there are other goobers in shops that use an air wrench for everything. You can request hand tightening and most shops will comply.

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